Dalasan/Merits Of Euros Jamal/djebel discussion

Obviously he has done a good enough job with Alegron and Willowy but neither are likely to be top class stayers. They are too slow.

Vianello on the other hand has speed and as such she will not be asked to stay despite that being her best and most likely successful trait. 

They've finally got a room 

Go for it fellas. We'll sit back with the popcorn. 

Oops sorry that was meant to be a laughy emoji, not that one.

Leave my name out of this thread thanks !  

Sorry Jamal but I think it's about time you backed up one of your many ludicrous statements with some sort of substance. You haven't explained anything. Kindly categorise the aformementioned list that you declared to be full of B & C graders so we can understand your line of thinking. I'm happy to read. Go ahead. 

For colts or geldings 3yo and older, there are 8 G1 open races at a mile or greater in the UK, 10 G1 races  of the same type in France and 3 in Ireland.

Zaaki

Adelaide

Knight's Order

State Of Rest

Zaaki was always considered high class by his stable they just could not get the best out of him They felt high enough about him to run him in Hong Kong. He came to Australia with a steadily climbing official handicap mark of 112 and Racing Post mark of 117. He could arguably be called a B grader but a b grader improving and getting his act together.

Adelaide was clearly high class before coming to Australia. Aiden O'brien obviously has a plethora of highclass 3yos that he needs to split up and this one was chosen to plunder the US and Australian riches. If we are going to say a group 1 winner is a B grader we really are plucking at straws. 

Knight's Order/Knight's Errant, sure he could be considered a B grader but that is like saying Think It Over was a B grader. He was, like Think It Over and Zaaki going through his grades, they always held him in high regard. He'd won 4 from 9 in the UK and was on an upward spiral.

State Of Rest started 11/2 in the Futurity Trophy previously known as the Racing Post Trophy the final group 1 of the UK 2yo season being beaten out of site on a heavy surface. He was another on an upward spiral on the official handicaps coming out here on a climbing 110 mark.

Zaaki is the only one fully exposed before coming out here and he was always held in high regard who Sir Michael simply could not get the best out of. His original trainer had him running in 2yo group races as a maiden. He retired from his 2yo season rated 101 which is listed level indicating what connections thought of him. 

It took Think It Over 18 starts to win at group level down here before flurishing and going on with it, Zaaki has clearly loved whatever Annabel is doing with him and is thriving down here.

Some confusion. See link below cheers. I said Winx and SYT the two best middle distance horses in Australian racing of the last 20 yrs and it would be good to see Winx go to So You Think. Cheers

He could be ranked 200 and would still be better than a B grader.

Just looking at the Racing Post Ratings ranking which are easy to access Joan Of Arc 114 is ranked 49th in the 3yo ranks let alone the open aged ranks and she is a Group 1 winning 3yo.

Earlswood who is now in Australia should have finished 2nd in the Irish Derby and is a genuine established A grader over there is ranked 91 on 110 in the 3yo ranks for last season.

State Of Rest was ranked 134 on a rating of 108.

The leader of the 3yo pack was Adayar on 129.

An even better advertisement for our horses would be horses who are beaten over here in a group race and then go back home and win G1's.

Highland Reel-2nd in Cox Plate to Winx and then wins G1 in HK, Gi in Ascot, Santa Anita, Epsom, Ascot and then Sha Tin again.