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jujuno
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Posted: 15 Feb 2026 at 11:52am |
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Tom...you are showing your true colours...and they ain't very pretty colours.
Does owning property in another state colour your perception? |
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Tom Rolfe
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Posted: 15 Feb 2026 at 3:27pm |
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My true colours are this- if a politician of any colour thinks it is as good idea then there is a 50/50 chance it is not. Other than that I am actually in favour of more public housing but trying to get developers to provide it on the cheap is a dumb idea. Govts need to put their hands in their pockets and do it themselves.
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Tom Rolfe
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Posted: 18 Feb 2026 at 9:19am |
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HG wrote under the trump thread " Figure 1 graph showing the decline nationwide from outright ownership has gone from 42% to 29%. A little bump in mortgage owners 30% to 37%. That is still a 6% drop in home ownership. Renters up from 18% to 26%. Enough to swing seats. These are nationwide stats of course. "
HG you are probably a bit young to know this but I suspect many are not paying their home mortgage off because they are using the loan to buy other assets. Under current bank lending rules banks wont offer retirees much in the way of a loan no matter how much in assets they have. Better to hang on to the existing mortgage until you die or go gaga.
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Whale
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Posted: 18 Feb 2026 at 9:29am |
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I left my mortgage open for 25 years, even when working. Saves the hassle of applying for a new loan. Never used the facility though.
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Posted: 18 Feb 2026 at 9:35am |
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Dont think there is an age limit on learning about debt recycling Tom! Or pensioners buying a car late in life from the home loan.
Possibly has a small impact. But I would think less disposable income to make extra repayments would have just as much impact. Many wear it as a badge of honour to be mortgage free. Slow wage growth the past 15 years has meant the inflationary effect of making home loans easier over the loan term hasnt been as steep for thr current generation of owners. The total trend of home ownership is down though so that was more the point in that thread.
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Tom Rolfe
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Posted: 18 Feb 2026 at 9:58am |
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HG i am not talking about pensioners buying cars i am think refinancing to buy fancy beach shacks, giving kids funds to buy homes or do renos, buying shares to fund grandkids private school fees etc.
One private school in melb reported that it directly invoices grandparents for 60%+ of kids fees.
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Posted: 18 Feb 2026 at 10:12am |
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Yeah Tom multiple uses. Buying beach shacks, renos, shares = debt recycling.
Again may have a small impact on # of mortgage free owners v owners still with a mortgage but its only small. Economic conditions posted above more a factor. Including average of home ownership. 27yo in 1980 now 37yo in 2025. Buying later in life means more renters & more home owners with a mortgage.
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Hello Sunshine
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Posted: 18 Feb 2026 at 10:16am |
Gary Stevenson's dire warning for Australian property market losing the 'fair go'British economist Gary Stevenson warns Australia is losing the concept of "a fair go". "This is a country that tells people it believes in having a fair go. "And it is a country which has, for a long time, provided affordable housing and good living conditions to ordinary working Australians. "You're losing that," he told The Business.Mr Stevenson is visiting Australia on a speaking circuit to drum up support for his global social cause of narrowing the inequality gap between the rich and the poor. Key to this, he said, was restructuring the taxation systems of modern economies to take more money from the wealthy and less from lower-income earners.He said he also saw higher wages and policies to improve housing affordability as key to improving living standards for low- and middle-income households. "I want to come and show Australians what is happening in the UK, what is happening in Europe," Mr Stevenson said. "Public services being shut down, poverty exploding. "That will happen [in Australia] unless we deal with inequality." A frustrating missionBut Mr Stevenson admitted to being frustrated. Despite having more than 1.5 million YouTube followers, he conceded that getting his message heard and acted on in the corridors of power was challenging. "I think they're scared," he said, referring to MPs in Britain. "I think they're kind of stuck in, what we would call in the UK, the Westminster bubble — their little politicians' bubble. "They're scared about their donors."Mr Stevenson believed there was no financial incentive for the rich and powerful to engage in taxation reform to reduce inequality. "See, the problem with an inequality crisis is it feels good for rich people," he said. "And most politicians are in that community of rich people. "I think they're out of touch."Mr Stevenson knows a lot about both the working class and the elite, because the 40-year-old has lived in both worlds. "I come from a very poor background in East London, which is the poorest part of London," he told the ABC last year. His first degree was from the London School of Economics. But he quickly realised that top grades were not going to be enough to land him a big-money job in a trading room, without the impressive extracurricular CVs and high-level connections many of his wealthy classmates possessed. So, he put his maths skills and street smarts to use in a game that a global banking giant, Citi, ran each year to select one of its interns. He won the game and went on to become a highly successful trader.As Mr Stevenson tours the country, he wants to build his following and pressure local MPs to develop practical policies that will give more Australians access to housing. "Holding the politician's feet to the fire, forcing this country to do something about inequality so that your kids and grandkids will have a fair go at having a family and buying a house," he said. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-18/economist-gary-stevenson-warns-australia-losing-the-fair-go/106342536 |
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furious
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Posted: 18 Feb 2026 at 11:10am |
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The trouble is the ones with power and even some with very little power than their vote have to take some pain. Some probably alot of pain. Very few people seem to understand we have to stop this now before our childrens children have no hope. Before the us and them become impossible to overcome and we have so much desperation that society breaks down. Fear rules the haves and starvation and need rules the rest. A breakdown in compassion and society usually happens at the same time.
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furious
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Posted: 18 Feb 2026 at 11:21am |
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And few know that new immigrants aren't given help for four years. During covid that became direr and our church was feeding people with nothing who were trapped with no hope of help from the government. We keep it up to today. There are people (including my son) who just can't help themselves. They don't all come from overseas. They are trapped by illness as well as other things which can happen to any of us. So it's up to us to give what we can.
But housing we can't give. The expense is beyond most people. And yes one of the trouble is the size of houses the councils don't let the little houses be built and people want that big two story with no backyard. I have no idea how that can be turned around. In one sense I understand councils policies. They don't want slums built. But inevitably that is what will happen. Upkeep of properties is becoming more and more expensive. Even for those already owning property it becomes an endless struggle between costs or repairs and living expenses. Living expenses usually win. And new builds are no better. Often they come with issues already!
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Posted: 18 Feb 2026 at 12:30pm |
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The Age concluded from polling on likely election issues (published earlier this week) voters want $something but are not prepared to give up anything to get it. Or to put it another way if your affordable source of food is maccas after the next election you might have to give that up and go dumpster diving
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Posted: 24 Feb 2026 at 10:17am |
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Two articles in todays Age caught my attention. The first concerned the number of homes built in the year to
Sept 2025. In round numbers in Victoria 54,000
were built, NSW 44,000 and QLD 34,000. If
the per head of population rate of Victoria was used to measure home builds then
NSW fell 21,000 short and QLD 9,000 short.
While it is only one year’s figures given the complaints about housing
shortages you would think those northern state governments would get off their
backsides and make sure more homes were built to keep On Nation at bay at the
ballot box. On the other hand perhaps
those govts are doing everything they can the problem is the lazy whiteys are
spending too much time at the beach when they should be on the job. The second on secondary schooling in Victoria suggested the percentage
of students at fee paying high schools was about 43% and a lot of those schools
are expanding. Now I know it takes a
good dozen years to launch a new born into high school but it does suggest that
perhaps many Vics are not doing it that tough.
Of course the grand parents could be paying the school fees. |
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Whale
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Posted: 24 Feb 2026 at 11:18am |
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Based on research, approximately 60% of private school students in Australia have their fees at least partly paid by their grandparents, a trend often referred to as the "Bank of Grandma and Grandpa
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Tom Rolfe
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Posted: 26 Feb 2026 at 8:32am |
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No housing crisis in Melbourne (except perhaps for the homeless). The Age reports there are 8,000 new and unsold apartments across Melbourne of which 2,000 are in the city and Southbank. At a rough guess that is about $5 billion worth if asking a bit over $600,000 each. Anyone got any spare cash to help the homeless.
The Age also reports the Liberal opposition housing policy is to repeal Labors housing / activity centres plan for highrise in the middle ring suburbs (Liberal heartland) and stick all the highrise in Labor and Greens electorates. I reckon it will be a vote winner in the leafy eastern and south eastern suburbs. |
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Posted: 26 Feb 2026 at 10:22am |
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Do you feel like a wounded pig?
I suspect many on here would. Is this labors strategy The kids can live off their superannuation. after all, it is their baby. And mum and dad can supply a house. Australia must slash the top tax rate and reduce landlords’ tax breaks, according to the man widely regarded as Treasurer Jim Chalmers’ favourite economist. Former Treasury Secretary Ken Henry has warned that the system must change if Australia wants to restore the dream of home ownership. “Rental property investments are primarily, under Australian tax law, a vehicle for sheltering wage and salary income from tax,” Dr Henry said. “There is a loss of opportunity there that does great injustice to younger generations of Australians.”His warning comes amid reports that the government is considering slashing the capital gains tax discount from 50 per cent to 33 per cent. Speaking at a Senate hearing on the CGT, Dr Henry warned that it is harder than ever for first-homebuyers to buy a home. Accusing his generation of having “squealed like wounded pigs” for paying just twice their annual income for a house, he said change was needed to help even his own kids buy a home. “The prospect of paying out 2.5 times average earnings to buy a house was truly terrifying,” he said. |
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Posted: 26 Feb 2026 at 2:03pm |
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So Sunshine. Do you disagree with Henry’s assessment?
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Whale
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Posted: 26 Feb 2026 at 2:49pm |
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Do you feel like a wounded pig?
I suspect many on here would. Is this labors strategy The kids can live off their superannuation. after all, it is their baby. And mum and dad can supply a house. I agree, super is a great thing ![]() Of course if you choose a crap fund
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Posted: 01 Mar 2026 at 10:27am |
‘Wounded pigs’: Truth about baby boomers and house prices“Rental property investments are primarily, under Australian tax law, a vehicle for sheltering wage and salary income from tax,” Dr Henry said. “There is a loss of opportunity there that does great injustice to younger generations of Australians.” |
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Posted: 01 Mar 2026 at 11:01am |
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Be of working age and inherit rental or have a forced sale. Will get put in top tax bracket for your CGT. (Effectively CGT but technically capital gain forms taxable income and leads to income tax, note for Freefall as he posted something earlier in the week in regard to that).
Be of retirement age or in a position to max super conts and you avoid the CGT at 47%, or at least avoid a fair proportion at that rate. Perhaps we do need a technical CGT seperated from income tax. A cap gain is such an outlier can bump someone who normally pays 30% up to 47%. Similarly top end of town could use tax planning more efficiently than Mum & Dad investor to avoid the 47% tax bracket when selling. |
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Posted: 01 Mar 2026 at 11:03am |
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Albeit a PITA for someone who gets a few hundred dollars CGT from a Managed Fund or a small amount of shares.
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Posted: 01 Mar 2026 at 11:05am |
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Maybe it could be bracketed as well. $0-$2k 0%. $2k-$20k 20%. $20k-$100k 25%. $100-$200k 30%. Etc. Very roughing thinking out loud.
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Posted: 01 Mar 2026 at 11:17am |
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Posted: 03 Mar 2026 at 7:51am |
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In 2025, a survey from the National Association of Realtors revealed
that the median home buyer was 59 years old. That may sound like a
shocking statistic, but it’s part of a trend. In 2020, the median home
buyer was 47 years old, which at the time was also an all-time high. Here’s another shocking statistic: The median down payment on a house in 2025 for first time homebuyers surpassed $40,000 — exceeding the median net worth of Americans under 35. Americans once went in search of their starter homes in their 20s, but today’s first-time home buyers are 40 years old on average. That is the affordability and the fertility crisis in a nutshell. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/03/02/home-affordability-savings-accounts-hsa/ |
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Posted: 03 Mar 2026 at 8:15am |
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It's all well and good relying on the bank of Mum and Dad but when you have six children what happens? And at least all barr one of mine now have a roof over their heads. Two will be paying them off in their late sixties which is scary although I'd say I'll be dead and they can use the capital on my home to help pay off earlier. But split six ways wont go far and the one living at home, without a job, will be homeless!
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Posted: 12 Mar 2026 at 4:26pm |
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"The Victorian government says it will make home sellers pay for building and pest inspections rather than home buyers if it is re-elected later this year. The government said the current system was unfair for home buyers and that it would "develop a mandatory building and pest inspections scheme" to be legislated in early 2027. The government said it would look closely at a similar scheme in the ACT, where vendors must pay for building and pest inspections before a sale." Bleeding obvious that's the way it should be done. I was amazed when I first learned it wasn't. |
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