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Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

People want to live as close to work as possible otherwise they are just adding to roads chaos and your weekly costs go up with fuel etc plus all that time lost travelling is the pits...Its only natural to want to live as close as possible to your job. Sometimes you just can't though and might have to drive an hr to work, and your work is in a wealthy suburb while you live in a crappy area.  


That’s fine but it’s a choice. Don’t make that choice and then whinge about property investors and not being able to buy your own place. 
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We first bought in 1978.  Paid $42,500 when the average Australian annual wage was $36,900.

Last sold in 2016, unimproved in or out since 1978, for $641,000 which was nearly 7 times the average Australian wage.

Do the comparison, it's not rocket science.
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Originally posted by Plastic letters Plastic letters wrote:

To my mind it seems older singles are the ones struggling with the massive rent hikes and the ability to buy 


I understand your plight Fiddler. As I mentioned above a bit earlier but I also don’t accept that things like lifestyle choices are an excuse for many 

Not sure what you consider a dodgey area but there’s plenty of nice stuff in good areas for rent in the bracket I spoke about
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Sell up in Sydney and move out.  Buy a home in a country town.
Plenty of work out here in the sticks.
But,  If you want to stay in the big smoke  Cry 


animals before people.
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AA daughter has tried for a job in many country towns.  Usually doesn't hear back.  She tried for one at Orange and didn't hear back.  She doesn't want to go to Queensland again as the heat was too much for her.  Also looking around the country towns the prices went up with people working from home opting out of city life.  All that meant was many locals couldn't find rental or housing.  Sorry that doesn't alway work either.  
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That’s the point furious. It’s never been easy and certainly not easy for everyone. 
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Australians are so soft.
Easy looked after by the government.
No wonder refugees and immigrants can make a go of this country.
Will go wherever aussies wont and dont.
And what of the indigenous who HAVE to stay on country...no jobs out there sport, not unless you train up and become what your communities need.

I was doing doing work eg working in market gardens,  orchards, 40 odd years ago.
now, where are the australian youth to work?
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Look at vision of yesteryear, many fit slim australians.
Nowadays same is hard to spot amongst a sea of fatties, and mentally damaged.....Dead
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Fruit and vegetable harvest in this country is nearly exclusively done by a combination of European and Asian backpackers alongside workers in the pacific islands labour scheme, younger Australians for whatever reason, don't seem to have the drive or desire to get out and do this work.

I'm not sure how many people are aware but we are slowly strangling ourselves out of producing our own fruit and veg in Australia, costs of production continue to rise, the #1 cost being wages, the wage laws have changed around piece work which has helped drive cost of production up, the only thing that isn't increasing is the return to the grower.

Don't forget that the price for produce in the shops has a fair % of it trimmed off from fruit agents, transort, packaging, harvesting and growing costs before the producer sees anything, for example something around $5/kg for tomatoes would see well less than $1/kg in the growers pocket, some produce even sees the grower lose money.

Feeding our population may be as big a challenge as housing them if we're not careful.
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A succession of governments have failed to address that issue.
Albanese is no different 

We’re screwed on many levels for decades  to come
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Why should workers picking fruit not have similar conditions as those working on construction sites / factories ?

It’s not easy work picking fruit !
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With the changes to piece rate payment, a worker now has to be given a minimum of 76 hours work before they're allowed to be shunted back out the gate, they also have to have their days pay topped up to minimum wage should they not make minimum wage.  I'm not saying farmers should get away with under-paying staff but it all drives up the costs of a production of a product being sold to a public that has a culture of not wanting to pay a good price for good fruit and veg.
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Indeed it’s not. 
Given the money albo is throwing at those ankle bracelet wearing* criminals, couldn’t they go pick fruit
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Why should workers picking fruit not have similar conditions as those working on construction sites / factories ?

It’s not easy work picking fruit !

Of course they should be paid fairly, it is hard work, I'm not saying they shouldn't, but at the same time why can't the Australian consumer pay a fair price for good produce?

Would you send your plastic grass off to a customer without any idea of what they will pay? Thats what farmers are expected to do.
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Speaking of good produce I just want to buy a nectarine or plum that I can eat straight away rather than having to wait a week
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I dont bother buying stone fruit from the shops.
Always disappointed, tasting like cardboard.
feel sorry for todays faminlies, they have no idea of tasty food.
Had apricots from a friends tree, just like my childhood.
So, i bought an apricot tree instead!
Looking forward to best tasting in the future.
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Fruit and vegetable harvest in this country is nearly exclusively done by a combination of European and Asian backpackers alongside workers in the pacific islands labour scheme, younger Australians for whatever reason, don't seem to have the drive or desire to get out and do this work.

I'm not sure how many people are aware but we are slowly strangling ourselves out of producing our own fruit and veg in Australia, costs of production continue to rise, the #1 cost being wages, the wage laws have changed around piece work which has helped drive cost of production up, the only thing that isn't increasing is the return to the grower.

Don't forget that the price for produce in the shops has a fair % of it trimmed off from fruit agents, transort, packaging, harvesting and growing costs before the producer sees anything, for example something around $5/kg for tomatoes would see well less than $1/kg in the growers pocket, some produce even sees the grower lose money.

Feeding our population may be as big a challenge as housing them if we're not careful.

Will be fully imported from China
including milk.
Have to help out with the Chinese economy and workforce.

Australians are a working basket case.
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Don’t need to worry. Once Albo achieves his election promise of bring manufacturing back to our shores it will all be sorted 

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and housing ? 
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Originally posted by Hello Sunshine Hello Sunshine wrote:

I dont bother buying stone fruit from the shops.
Always disappointed, tasting like cardboard.
feel sorry for todays faminlies, they have no idea of tasty food.
Had apricots from a friends tree, just like my childhood.
So, i bought an apricot tree instead!
Looking forward to best tasting in the future.

Economic reasons, most fruit is harvested when the average meets required standards, the days of sending a crew through a patch several times to pick each fruit as it is at optimum ripeness (like you will with your tree at home) are gone, the returns are just not there to justify the cost.
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Originally posted by Plastic letters Plastic letters wrote:

Speaking of good produce I just want to buy a nectarine or plum that I can eat straight away rather than having to wait a week


Have the same problems. Irritating. Avocados are the issue for me. Need one to make guacamole whenever I do Mexican and they are always as hard as a rock. Angry
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

With the changes to piece rate payment, a worker now has to be given a minimum of 76 hours work before they're allowed to be shunted back out the gate, they also have to have their days pay topped up to minimum wage should they not make minimum wage.  I'm not saying farmers should get away with under-paying staff but it all drives up the costs of a production of a product being sold to a public that has a culture of not wanting to pay a good price for good fruit and veg.
Well you sort of are. Seems you want to have it both ways. Do you think construction workers wages influence Building costs ? - well of course they do. So are you advocating to reduce their conditions to make houses cheaper for the community - or commercial properties for business ? Fact is primary producers have been getting away with blue murder re workers conditions / wages since year dot. Do they pay anymore when they have bumper crops / seasons ?

Mind you - I do get your point re those in the middle. The big retailers are screwing both the supplier & the consumer at the same time - & truth be known are probably having more end price impact than farm labourers wages could ever have. The duopoly of Woollies / Coles continue to control the market & surprise, surprise continue to post record profits. I'd suggest this is the area we need to start homing in on
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Yes, Avos are always hard as golf balls.  Have to leave them sit for a week before you can eat them.
And the wineries struggle every year to get staff at harvest time.  No one wants to do the hard yards, not even young fit kids. They all come out of school and expect to step straight into a CEOs job .
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Why should workers picking fruit not have similar conditions as those working on construction sites / factories ?

It’s not easy work picking fruit !

Of course they should be paid fairly, it is hard work, I'm not saying they shouldn't, but at the same time why can't the Australian consumer pay a fair price for good produce?

Would you send your plastic grass off to a customer without any idea of what they will pay? Thats what farmers are expected to do.
What has a farmer knowing what he is going to get paid at the gate got to do with farm labourers wages & conditions ? No difference to me selling grass - when I sell it I should know what it has cost me. The difference for a primary producer is that he may not know what he is going to be paid for it  - although most operate under contract so not even sure that's the case

That's not saying they are getting paid enough - that's a different question.
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Are you really that out of touch with how the world works little fella?

1. I do think that workers should be paid a fair pay, that goes without saying for me.

2. A good point in regards to construction workers pays influencing the cost of building, the difference being that it leads to people paying more for a house to be built, wheras for primary producers it doesn't lead to an increase in price.

3. Another good point about Coles and Woolworths, they control the price of fresh produce in this country and have zero concern about growers viability, they put out all of this rubbish in their ads but in reality its all about selling it for more than they pay.

4. Some primary producers operate under a contract but it is never as going in and growing next years crop with an already agreed price, majority of the time produce is simply sent to markets and hope for the best.  In annual crops such as mangoes or mac nuts, growers are putting the money down 12 months or more in advance of selling the produce with absolutely no idea what the market price will be at time of harvest.

Also when it comes to bumper crops, quite often that leads to a downturn in prices due to supply and demand so their harvest cost is increased because of a larger yield but the returns are diminished because of increased supply ergo decreased demand.
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Australias housing battle: Interest rates versus supply and demand
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So they've more or less quadrupled over 20 years, wage growth hasn't matched that.
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