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    Posted: 04 Feb 2025 at 8:07pm
Hi There,

A group of my mates were involved in the ownership of a Deep Field filly, Deep Opinions.

She retired due to injury (fetlock bone) before she turned 4 but won 4 from 12 starts (nothing of note), total prize money was around $100k. 

We purchased her back on Inglis Digital for the grand sum of $700 and have put her in a nice paddock and we are hoping to maybe look at breeding to race (not sell at sales). She's now 5 years old

She's not overly tall, was a back marker with a handy turn of foot on her day, preferred wet tracks.

As we are complete amateurs when it comes to breeding I was hoping to get any advice regarding stallions/farms to pick etc.

We would have a budget of max $50k for stud fees. 

The dam of Deep Opinions, Opinionated, is by Markane (Red Ransom) and Legal Tune (Piccolo (GB))

Thanks in advance!
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Hi Mark

Yes, she's a breed to race type of mare.

Pierata and Russian Revolution come up well from a line breeding perspective but are too expensive.  Others well worth consideration might include (not in any order)  All Too Hard, Supido, Ghaiyyath, Smart Missile and Encryption.

Rather than me detailing the reasoning for all five you might have a look at them and if one or two have some up-front attraction I'd be happy to provide my reasoning.

Best of luck.
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Thanks Second Chance,

I did a bit of research regarding the line breeding after your response, am I correct in assuming that Pierata and Russian Revolution would be good in terms of multiple links back to Mr Prospector (Pierata) and Northern Dancer/Nearctic (Russian Revolution)?

With our location on the Central Coast of NSW I think we would prefer to focus on Hunter Valley or NSW more generally so All too Hard and Smart Missile would be viable options.

All too Hard was the stallion I was thinking initially as it seems to be tried and tested at a decent price and gets decent nick rating A+ from memory, as well as a 20/20 match on G1 Goldmine, although I'm unsure if i really understand any of that enough to make sense of the data. Smart Missile looks great value at $13k as it seems to produce some handy runners and seems to be some common broodmares in the pedigree. Would be grateful if you could let me know your thoughts on these two.

Thanks again, really appreciate it  
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Well if the above doesn't enthuse, let's go down another track: ie Deep Field's clear affinity with Danehill.  All of the stallions below are sons of the great stallion.  That of course opens up a virtual Pandora's Box as so many stallions contain his blood, including four of the stallions suggested above.

Encryption in particular needs be re-mentioned here as his sire Lonhro and Deep field both hail from from the celebrated Eight Carat family.  This is a recommended duplication, one already proven given Commands (see below) also contains the Eight Carat blood. 

DEEP FIELD Top Nicks

Damsire
Rnrs
Wnrs (SW)
Best
Commands
25
14 (3)
Sky Command
Fastnet Rock
40
29 (2)
Big Parade
Not A Single Doubt
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13 (2)
Bases Loaded
Exceed And Excel
25
19 (1)
Fashion Legend
Flying Spur
25
17 (1)
Aysar
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Whoops, missed Mark's reply.  Embarrassed

Russian Revolution is from the Danehill sire line, that's a tick.  And he over your mare gives you siblings Grand Luxe (ancestress of Flying Spur by Danehill) and L'Extrvagante (ancestress of Russian Revolution) and celebrated siblings Thong and Moccasin.  And as you infer, Northern Dancer and Mr Prospector go together like bacon and eggs.

Pierata is just marvelous because the match contains Danehill, the Eight Carat cross referred to in my earlier post, siblings Flying Spur and Shoal Creek (dam of Encosta De Lago) and is awash with the ND - Mr P cross.

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Yes, Smart Missile over your mare provides some lovely duplications. Notably the mare Explosive, grand dam of Smart Missile and grand-dam of Northern Meteor, a cross of Red Ransom which introduces his breed shaping grand-sire Hail To Reason, plenty of the ND and Mr P,  and a Sir Tristram cross back in the pedigree.  Have a good friend who's very thick with the manager at Twin Hills Stud so we might be able to get you a decent discount on his advertised fee for 2025 when it's announced.

All Too Hard appears a great match too.  A cross of Kew Gardens, grand-dam of All Too Hard's sire Casino Prince and also dam of Markane, plus her sibling Woodwind, dam of the sire Piccolo. Add in the Rolls cross referred to earlier, she being the dam of Flying Spur and grand dam of Encosta De Lago.  And once again plenty of ND and Mr P.
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DEEP OPINIONS (AUS)Chestnut filly 2019
Deep Field
Bay 2010		 Northern Meteor
Bay 2005		 Encosta de Lago
Bay 1993		 Fairy King
Bay 1982		 Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge		 1961
1975		 2-d
5-h
Shoal Creek
Chestnut 1988		 Star Way
Rolls		 1977
1984		 6-e
4-g
Explosive
Bay 1990		 Fappiano
Bay 1977		 Mr Prospector
Killaloe		 1970
1970		 13-c
16-a
Scuff
Chestnut 1979		 Forli
Moccasin		 1963
1963		 3-b
5-h
Listen Here
Chestnut 2004		 Elusive Quality
Bay 1993		 Gone West
Bay 1984		 Mr Prospector
Secrettame		 1970
1978		 13-c
2-f
Touch of Greatness
Bay 1986		 Hero's Honor
Ivory Wand		 1980
1973		 1-s
13-c
Announce
Bay 1994		 Military Plume
Bay 1983		 Sir Tristram
Ultraviolet		 1971
1972		 6-e
10-d
Theme Song
Bay 1987		 Sackford
Cotehele House		 1980
1980		 20>
9-c
Opinionated
Chestnut 2012		 Markane
Bay 2000		 Red Ransom
Bay 1987		 Roberto
Bay 1969		 Hail to Reason
Bramalea		 1958
1959		 4-n
12-c
Arabia
Bay 1977		 Damascus
Christmas Wind		 1964
1967		 8-h
6-b
Kew Gardens
Bay 1981		 Kenmare
Grey 1975		 Kalamoun
Belle of Ireland		 1970
1964		 9-c
1-m
Garden Green
Bay 1964		 Pinturischio
Focal		 1958
1959		 4-r
21-a
Legal Tune
Chestnut 1999		 Piccolo
Bay 1991		 Warning
Bay 1985		 Known Fact
Slightly Dangerous		 1977
1979		 2-f
14-f
Woodwind
Chestnut 1973		 Whistling Wind
Garden Green		 1960
1964		 14-b
21-a
Medico Legal
Chestnut 1984		 Semipalatinsk
Bay 1978		 Nodouble
School Board		 1965
1968		 A1
23-b
Morsulu
Brown 1971		 Black Prince
Claire d'Or		 1963
1959		 2-u
2-e
  Ancestor duplications: Mr Prospector 5m,5m x   Garden Green x 4f,5f    
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Supido is the stallion I like. He is getting plenty of winners and is reasonably cheap at $16500

There are no super duper duplications but I reckon you'd almost certain enjoy racing the offspring.


Unnamed  
Supido (AUS)
Brown 2011		 Sebring
Chestnut 2005		 More Than Ready
Bay or brown 1997		 Southern Halo
Bay 1983		 Halo
Northern Sea		 1969
1974		 2-d
16-g
Woodman's Girl
Bay 1990		 Woodman
Becky Be Good		 1983
1981		 1-s
1-s
Purespeed
Bay 1998		 Flying Spur
Bay 1992		 Danehill
Rolls		 1986
1984		 2-d
4-g
Lady Moulin
Bay 1982		 Luskin Star
Willowy		 1974
1973		 2-e
6-c
Lady Succeed
Black 2000		 Brian's Time
Bay or brown 1985		 Roberto
Bay 1969		 Hail to Reason
Bramalea		 1958
1959		 4-n
12-c
Kelley's Day
Bay 1977		 Graustark
Golden Trail		 1963
1958		 4-d
4-r
Hydro Calido
Bay or brown 1989		 Nureyev
Bay 1977		 Northern Dancer
Special		 1961
1969		 2-d
5-h
Coup de Folie
Bay 1982		 Halo
Raise the Standard		 1969
1978		 2-d
2-d
Deep Opinions (AUS)
Chestnut 2019		 Deep Field
Bay 2010		 Northern Meteor
Bay 2005		 Encosta de Lago
Bay 1993		 Fairy King
Shoal Creek		 1982
1988		 5-h
4-g
Explosive
Bay 1990		 Fappiano
Scuff		 1977
1979		 16-a
5-h
Listen Here
Chestnut 2004		 Elusive Quality
Bay 1993		 Gone West
Touch of Greatness		 1984
1986		 2-f
13-c
Announce
Bay 1994		 Military Plume
Theme Song		 1983
1987		 10-d
9-c
Opinionated
Chestnut 2012		 Markane
Bay 2000		 Red Ransom
Bay 1987		 Roberto
Arabia		 1969
1977		 12-c
6-b
Kew Gardens
Bay 1981		 Kenmare
Garden Green		 1975
1964		 1-m
21-a
Legal Tune
Chestnut 1999		 Piccolo
Bay 1991		 Warning
Woodwind		 1985
1973		 14-f
21-a
Medico Legal
Chestnut 1984		 Semipalatinsk
Morsulu		 1978
1971		 23-b
2-e
  Ancestor duplications: Halo 5m,5f x   Roberto 4m x 5m
 
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Well if the above doesn't enthuse, let's go down another track: ie Deep Field's clear affinity with Danehill.  All of the stallions below are sons of the great stallion.  That of course opens up a virtual Pandora's Box as so many stallions contain his blood, including four of the stallions suggested above.

Encryption in particular needs be re-mentioned here as his sire Lonhro and Deep field both hail from from the celebrated Eight Carat family.  This is a recommended duplication, one already proven given Commands (see below) also contains the Eight Carat blood. 

DEEP FIELD Top Nicks

Damsire
Rnrs
Wnrs (SW)
Best
Commands
25
14 (3)
Sky Command
Fastnet Rock
40
29 (2)
Big Parade
Not A Single Doubt
16
13 (2)
Bases Loaded
Exceed And Excel
25
19 (1)
Fashion Legend
Flying Spur
25
17 (1)
Aysar

you are quite correct there SC as Deep Field and Deep Opinions have no Danehill in the pedigree, (incidently she is from the same female line as Danehill, branches at Charm)  or Danzig, and  amongst others such as Sadler's Wells etc                                                                                             Frankel actually looks pretty good, lol,                                                                                        IMO her bottom line makes it a little harder, and if there was a "weak" part of her pedigree I would say Piccolo, no suggestions, 
change is simply a destination on a journey reached by taking the first step (i said that) lol

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Piccolo in Oz: 410 live foals, 256 raced, 2.7 stake-winners to runners.  Fwiw.  
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My point being, not exactly a goto type of influence in a pedigree 9 sw's incl temple of boom
change is simply a destination on a journey reached by taking the first step (i said that) lol

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Just as an aside with this mare.  The family has decreased in recent years but back in the day it produced Magnificent the winner of the AJC & VRC Derby, AJC Champagne S and AJC Sires' Produce.  Now the funny thing was he was double 2e through his female line 2e Teppo and his sire's Ajax 2e Medmenham line.  With the cross way back in the pedigree with Charm (St Simon).  Now Ajax was a son of Heroic.  Now you find Ajax in Luskin Star who amazingly is also from the Teppo (2e) female line so he also carries that double like Magnificent.  So whoever suggested Supido wouldn't be such a bad idea

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Supido (AUS)
Brown 2011		Sebring
Chestnut 2005		More Than Ready
Bay or brown 1997		Southern Halo
Bay 1983		Halo
Northern Sea		1969
1974		2-d
16-g
Woodman's Girl
Bay 1990		Woodman
Becky Be Good		1983
1981		1-s
1-s
Purespeed
Bay 1998		Flying Spur
Bay 1992		Danehill
Rolls		1986
1984		2-d
4-g
Lady Moulin
Bay 1982		Luskin Star
Willowy		1974
1973		2-e
6-c
Lady Succeed
Black 2000		Brian's Time
Bay or brown 1985		Roberto
Bay 1969		Hail to Reason
Bramalea		1958
1959		4-n
12-c
Kelley's Day
Bay 1977		Graustark
Golden Trail		1963
1958		4-d
4-r
Hydro Calido
Bay or brown 1989		Nureyev
Bay 1977		Northern Dancer
Special		1961
1969		2-d
5-h
Coup de Folie
Bay 1982		Halo
Raise the Standard		1969
1978		2-d
2-d
Deep Opinions (AUS)
Chestnut 2019		Deep Field
Bay 2010		Northern Meteor
Bay 2005		Encosta de Lago
Bay 1993		Fairy King
Shoal Creek		1982
1988		5-h
4-g
Explosive
Bay 1990		Fappiano
Scuff		1977
1979		16-a
5-h
Listen Here
Chestnut 2004		Elusive Quality
Bay 1993		Gone West
Touch of Greatness		1984
1986		2-f
13-c
Announce
Bay 1994		Military Plume
Theme Song		1983
1987		10-d
9-c
Opinionated
Chestnut 2012		Markane
Bay 2000		Red Ransom
Bay 1987		Roberto
Arabia		1969
1977		12-c
6-b
Kew Gardens
Bay 1981		Kenmare
Garden Green		1975
1964		1-m
21-a
Legal Tune
Chestnut 1999		Piccolo
Bay 1991		Warning
Woodwind		1985
1973		14-f
21-a
Medico Legal
Chestnut 1984		Semipalatinsk
Morsulu		1978
1971		23-b
2-e
 Ancestor duplications:Halo5m,5f x Roberto4m x 5m    
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You have plenty of sons of Sebring, Dundeel ect with that blood.  And if you wonder about the mix with Deep Field his son Cosmic Force also has a line of 2e Luskin Star.  The only stallion from the line at the moment is Xtravagant who also looks interesting on paper.  Being a son of Pentire (1-l) to Ajax sire of Magnificent being by Heroic (1n) those two lines decending from close relatives.  Also these is a line of Todman to cross to the Noholme blood of Semipalatinsk in your mare.

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Xtravagant (NZ)
Brown 2012		Pentire
Bay 1992		Be My Guest
Chestnut 1974		Northern Dancer
Bay 1961		Nearctic
Natalma		1954
1957		14-c
2-d
What a Treat
Bay or brown 1962		Tudor Minstrel
Rare Treat		1944
1952		9-c
8-c
Gull Nook
Bay 1983		Mill Reef
Bay 1968		Never Bend
Milan Mill		1960
1962		19-b
22-d
Bempton
Bay 1976		Blakeney
Hardiemma		1966
1969		20-c
1-l
Axiom
Bay 2002		Zabeel
Bay 1986		Sir Tristram
Bay 1971		Sir Ivor
Isolt		1965
1961		8-g
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982		Nureyev
Valderna		1977
1972		5-h
16-c
Arletty
Brown 1993		Centaine
Brown 1980		Century
Rainbeam		1969
1973		20>
C7
Riverlette
Chestnut 1982		Sir Godfrey
Sun Priestess		1975
1964		22-d
2-e
Deep Opinions (AUS)
Chestnut 2019		Deep Field
Bay 2010		Northern Meteor
Bay 2005		Encosta de Lago
Bay 1993		Fairy King
Shoal Creek		1982
1988		5-h
4-g
Explosive
Bay 1990		Fappiano
Scuff		1977
1979		16-a
5-h
Listen Here
Chestnut 2004		Elusive Quality
Bay 1993		Gone West
Touch of Greatness		1984
1986		2-f
13-c
Announce
Bay 1994		Military Plume
Theme Song		1983
1987		10-d
9-c
Opinionated
Chestnut 2012		Markane
Bay 2000		Red Ransom
Bay 1987		Roberto
Arabia		1969
1977		12-c
6-b
Kew Gardens
Bay 1981		Kenmare
Garden Green		1975
1964		1-m
21-a
Legal Tune
Chestnut 1999		Piccolo
Bay 1991		Warning
Woodwind		1985
1973		14-f
21-a
Medico Legal
Chestnut 1984		Semipalatinsk
Morsulu		1978
1971		23-b
2-e
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Wonder if Mark decided to go with Smart Missile, given Briasa's win in the Gp1 TJ Smith today.  Tongue

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Smart Missile over your mare provides some lovely duplications. Notably the mare Explosive, grand dam of Smart Missile and grand-dam of Northern Meteor, a cross of Red Ransom which introduces his breed shaping grand-sire Hail To Reason, plenty of the ND and Mr P,  and a Sir Tristram cross back in the pedigree.  Have a good friend who's very thick with the manager at Twin Hills Stud so we might be able to get you a decent discount on his advertised fee for 2025 when it's announced.  
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