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I am a bit divided on this question. On one hand the Star needs a good shake up & a bit of competition would almost guarantee action to ensure this happens. On the other i really question whether we need any further gambling proliferation in this state / country. Talking about a $1.5 billion development - now thats a lot of bickies in anyones language & you can "bet" Packer see's a good return on his investment from the punters.
 And whats all this about "architectual excellence" & all the media attention its getting........with Mr Keating being bandied about as some expert on urban style / development.......thought Italian suits were more his go. I mean isnt this putting the cart before the horse.....the initial questioning as to whether a 2nd Sydney Casino should be allowed still has to been decided. Thinks theres a lot of big "influence" dollars going on behind the scenes.
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NO.
  Star is a dive.  IMHO only of course.
why do we want a major landmark to be a casino ??
Keating ?   the  "would be "  expert on cultural excellence !   LOL !
what a joke .
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Sydney needs at least another five casinos ..... the more the better ....
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How does it affect the average punter adversely if, as proposed it is only for mostly fly-in 'high rollers'? 

Sounds like a win for NSW taxpayers with no downside
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

How does it affect the average punter adversely if, as proposed it is only for mostly fly-in 'high rollers'? 

Sounds like a win for NSW taxpayers with no downside
Always worries me BD when i hear the word "mostly".........nice way to sell the proposal to a general community fed upto the backteeth with gambling proliferation. Let me assure you, if the unemployed / disabled / disadvantaged or any other want to hand over their weekly payments i am sure they will accomodate them......again......softly, softly approach !
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Actually BD......what does "mostly" mean in Casino terms. Is it going to be by invitation only do you think ? Are they suggesting they will not have a general floor like all the Casinos i have ever been to......you know the floor with the zillion poker machines & the squillion lower limit gaming tables.......... doubt it very much. So how are they going to limit "local citizen joe average" entry to ensure it is "mostly" high rollers.........maybe a wealth test / finance assessment on entry will be imposed. Or maybe based on shoe quality on the way past. 
As i said before, this "mostly" stuff is all spin to con the general public ! The only screening they will have on entry is Security thugs on the doors to ensure nutters like Hollywood are kept out !
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The discussions I have seen it is not a normal casino, but a hotel complex with a casino for high rollers only, most of whom would be flown in from Asia. They are targeting the market his other Asian casino investments rely on. Million dollar hands at blackjack will be outside my reach, so I wont know what goes on in there personally
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

The discussions I have seen it is not a normal casino, but a hotel complex with a casino for high rollers only, most of whom would be flown in from Asia. They are targeting the market his other Asian casino investments rely on. Million dollar hands at blackjack will be outside my reach, so I wont know what goes on in there personally


Why would Asian high rollers want to come to OZ, when they Macao and Singapore on their doorstops????

Maybe to take a picture of them patting a koala...  *Priceless*
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

The discussions I have seen it is not a normal casino, but a hotel complex with a casino for high rollers only, most of whom would be flown in from Asia. They are targeting the market his other Asian casino investments rely on. Million dollar hands at blackjack will be outside my reach, so I wont know what goes on in there personally
I have never seen a Casino BD that is not part of a hotel complex.....the world is full of them.......no new thinking there. And i'm sure he will be targeting high roller Asians......just like every other Casino in the world. My point is are they going to have a general access gaming floor......if not .....fine....i accept your arguement. If they are......then they are no different to all the Casino's currently in operation around Australia. So lets stop getting fed codswallop about the joint from achitecture competitions to hotel facilities to Paul Keating & get info on the gambling facilities they propose. And more importantly how they are going to ensure it does not turn out to be just another gambling den for locals.....many of which can ill afford it !
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My understanding is that it is exclusive
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Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

My understanding is that it is exclusive
BD i'm getting annoyed now Smile........please elaborate ! How will this apply in practice ?
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His plan is for a six-star hotel -- Sydney's first -- and a VIP invitation-only gaming resort that will be the first in the world with no slot machines, which traditionally account for a large slice of casino revenue.

If permission is granted, it will be constructed at the Barangaroo development site in the shadow of the Sydney Harbour Bridge, a prime harbourside location once a working dock.

http://www.lankabusinessonline.com/news/james-packer-targets-asian-high-rollers-with-new-sydney-casino/2058674345
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Of course there is no chance that after the initial approval has been given, Packer will come back and advise on commercial grounds they require a floor of traditional casino games for the less exclusive as well.
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Fair cop BD.......we'll see how it ends up !
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

My understanding is that it is exclusive
BD i'm getting annoyed now Smile........please elaborate ! How will this apply in practice ?




It would apply in practice the same way that every other private gaming room in the country operates. You are required to put up a minimum dollar amount as buy-in to gain entry. Quite simple really.
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Will be interesting to see what the guidelines are to be "invited".......might try standing on the doorstep with a bag of cash & see what happens !
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Browndog Browndog wrote:

My understanding is that it is exclusive
BD i'm getting annoyed now Smile........please elaborate ! How will this apply in practice ?




It would apply in practice the same way that every other private gaming room in the country operates. You are required to put up a minimum dollar amount as buy-in to gain entry. Quite simple really.
What other Casino's in Australia operate without a general gaming floor Exceed ?
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I guess a ****** facility is one with only a smoke filled room with Baccarat tables....

These pleasure seekers to OZ shores should be given a sightseeing trip to some maraijuana farm for fresh air! That would really be a fine investment opportunity.
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No one has said any other casinos operate without a general gaming floor. If have thought that was quite clear. You asked how they would ensure it is a private gaming facility and I told you. It would operate like every other private gaming room in the country. You can't just walk in but if you turn up with the required amount of cash (different amount depending on whether you're local, interstate or overseas resident) you will be allowed in.
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I guess its becoming an artform to harpoon whales....

Minnows have no say in an elist hierarcy.

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Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

I guess its becoming an artform to harpoon whales....

Minnows have no say in an elist hierarcy.

BTW When it comes to "my $ is not a good as your $" - Time to leave!

 Exactly...

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No one has said any other casinos operate without a general gaming floor. If have thought that was quite clear. You asked how they would ensure it is a private gaming facility and I told you. It would operate like every other private gaming room in the country. You can't just walk in but if you turn up with the required amount of cash (different amount depending on whether you're local, interstate or overseas resident) you will be allowed in.
No need to get Narky Exceed......simply asked how many other Casino's operated in Australia as a private boys club only without a general gaming floor......i was not aware of any but was not sure ! Sheesh !
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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

I guess its becoming an artform to harpoon whales....

Minnows have no say in an elist hierarcy.

BTW When it comes to "my $ is not a good as your $" - Time to leave!

 Exactly...

 elitism at it's worst...

 

I have no problem with this in principle. It is an external source of revenue(foreigners) which is boosting the states coffers by large amounts that would in another situation be going to the govts of other jurisdictions. That benefits all NSW residents
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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

I guess its becoming an artform to harpoon whales....

Minnows have no say in an elist hierarcy.

BTW When it comes to "my $ is not a good as your $" - Time to leave!

 Exactly...

 elitism at it's worst...

 


Are you serious, as if the average punter doesn't have enough places to go and gamble already.
What exactly is the problem with targetting  wealthy gamblers and offering inducements such as free accommodation, limousines etc to attract them.
Do you think the $5 gambler should be afforded the same treatment Ouch
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In answer to the threads question , No sydney does not need another casino.
 
The one we have is a money munching white elephant that without overseas gamblers would be not worth the upkeep, so not sure how another casino will benefit the community or the investors who finance it.
 
 
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I agree Voyager.....& i still reckon rusty Nails will be on the mark long-term. Gambling is on the snoz in this country......& its not hard to see why......the buggers will never be satisfied.......will never satisfactorily self-regulate.......& the governments are in cahoots as they just cannot resist the money pot ! Kids do not stand a chance......corporate bookies in their face 24/7........pokies in every Pub / club.......casinos in every capital city.........24/7 access to sports betting all around the world........lotto / lotteries / scratchies / trackside / Keno.......never ending ! The real damage to our social fabric has yet to be fully realised imo - gotta be feeping a lot of folk poor !
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Not against tourism or gambling BD.....just think we have gone miles over the top in this country. Most countries around the world understand the damage unfetted gambling can cause......i mean our approach is the easy way......just let it run rampant. A second Casino in Sydney will start the Casino ball rolling again......justification for other cities to go for a second / third.......oh....& then Mr Packer will have reason to whinge that this has caused his high roller forecasts to be out.......so will need a general gaming floor to make up the short-fall.....& before you know it we have Casinos everywhere......& then the Pubs / Clubs complain that they need relief because pokie turn-over is down........& onto racing turn-over & so on & onas i said......never ending.
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