Does Sydney Need Another Casino ?
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Topic: Does Sydney Need Another Casino ?
Posted By: oneonesit
Subject: Does Sydney Need Another Casino ?
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 1:23am
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I am a bit divided on this question. On one hand the Star needs a good shake up & a bit of competition would almost guarantee action to ensure this happens. On the other i really question whether we need any further gambling proliferation in this state / country. Talking about a $1.5 billion development - now thats a lot of bickies in anyones language & you can "bet" Packer see's a good return on his investment from the punters.
And whats all this about "architectual excellence" & all the media attention its getting........with Mr Keating being bandied about as some expert on urban style / development.......thought Italian suits were more his go. I mean isnt this putting the cart before the horse.....the initial questioning as to whether a 2nd Sydney Casino should be allowed still has to been decided. Thinks theres a lot of big "influence" dollars going on behind the scenes.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 1:48am
NO. Star is a dive. IMHO only of course. why do we want a major landmark to be a casino ?? Keating ? the "would be " expert on cultural excellence ! LOL ! what a joke .
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 2:28am
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Sydney needs at least another five casinos ..... the more the better ....
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 10:00am
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How does it affect the average punter adversely if, as proposed it is only for mostly fly-in 'high rollers'?
Sounds like a win for NSW taxpayers with no downside
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 10:54am
Browndog wrote:
How does it affect the average punter adversely if, as proposed it is only for mostly fly-in 'high rollers'?
Sounds like a win for NSW taxpayers with no downside | Always worries me BD when i hear the word "mostly".........nice way to sell the proposal to a general community fed upto the backteeth with gambling proliferation. Let me assure you, if the unemployed / disabled / disadvantaged or any other want to hand over their weekly payments i am sure they will accomodate them......again......softly, softly approach !
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 12:14pm
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Actually BD......what does "mostly" mean in Casino terms. Is it going to be by invitation only do you think ? Are they suggesting they will not have a general floor like all the Casinos i have ever been to......you know the floor with the zillion poker machines & the squillion lower limit gaming tables.......... doubt it very much. So how are they going to limit "local citizen joe average" entry to ensure it is "mostly" high rollers.........maybe a wealth test / finance assessment on entry will be imposed. Or maybe based on shoe quality on the way past.
As i said before, this "mostly" stuff is all spin to con the general public ! The only screening they will have on entry is Security thugs on the doors to ensure nutters like Hollywood are kept out !
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 12:20pm
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The discussions I have seen it is not a normal casino, but a hotel complex with a casino for high rollers only, most of whom would be flown in from Asia. They are targeting the market his other Asian casino investments rely on. Million dollar hands at blackjack will be outside my reach, so I wont know what goes on in there personally
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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 12:25pm
Browndog wrote:
The discussions I have seen it is not a normal casino, but a hotel complex with a casino for high rollers only, most of whom would be flown in from Asia. They are targeting the market his other Asian casino investments rely on. Million dollar hands at blackjack will be outside my reach, so I wont know what goes on in there personally |
Why would Asian high rollers want to come to OZ, when they Macao and Singapore on their doorstops????
Maybe to take a picture of them patting a koala... *Priceless*
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 12:26pm
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 12:34pm
Browndog wrote:
The discussions I have seen it is not a normal casino, but a hotel complex with a casino for high rollers only, most of whom would be flown in from Asia. They are targeting the market his other Asian casino investments rely on. Million dollar hands at blackjack will be outside my reach, so I wont know what goes on in there personally | I have never seen a Casino BD that is not part of a hotel complex.....the world is full of them.......no new thinking there. And i'm sure he will be targeting high roller Asians......just like every other Casino in the world. My point is are they going to have a general access gaming floor......if not .....fine....i accept your arguement. If they are......then they are no different to all the Casino's currently in operation around Australia. So lets stop getting fed codswallop about the joint from achitecture competitions to hotel facilities to Paul Keating & get info on the gambling facilities they propose. And more importantly how they are going to ensure it does not turn out to be just another gambling den for locals.....many of which can ill afford it !
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 12:37pm
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My understanding is that it is exclusive
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 12:42pm
Browndog wrote:
My understanding is that it is exclusive | BD i'm getting annoyed now ........please elaborate ! How will this apply in practice ?
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 12:47pm
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His plan is for a six-star hotel -- Sydney's first -- and a VIP invitation-only gaming resort that will be the first in the world with no slot machines, which traditionally account for a large slice of casino revenue. If permission is granted, it will be constructed at the Barangaroo development site in the shadow of the Sydney Harbour Bridge, a prime harbourside location once a working dock. http://www.lankabusinessonline.com/news/james-packer-targets-asian-high-rollers-with-new-sydney-casino/2058674345" rel="nofollow - http://www.lankabusinessonline.com/news/james-packer-targets-asian-high-rollers-with-new-sydney-casino/2058674345
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Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 1:11pm
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Of course there is no chance that after the initial approval has been given, Packer will come back and advise on commercial grounds they require a floor of traditional casino games for the less exclusive as well.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 1:15pm
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Fair cop BD.......we'll see how it ends up !
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 1:17pm
I have a great deal of confidence Barry will look after our interests.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 1:22pm
oneonesit wrote:
Browndog wrote:
My understanding is that it is exclusive | BD i'm getting annoyed now ........please elaborate ! How will this apply in practice ? |
It would apply in practice the same way that every other private gaming room in the country operates. You are required to put up a minimum dollar amount as buy-in to gain entry. Quite simple really.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 1:25pm
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Will be interesting to see what the guidelines are to be "invited".......might try standing on the doorstep with a bag of cash & see what happens !
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 1:28pm
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
oneonesit wrote:
Browndog wrote:
My understanding is that it is exclusive | BD i'm getting annoyed now ........please elaborate ! How will this apply in practice ? |
It would apply in practice the same way that every other private gaming room in the country operates. You are required to put up a minimum dollar amount as buy-in to gain entry. Quite simple really. | What other Casino's in Australia operate without a general gaming floor Exceed ?
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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 1:33pm
I guess a ****** facility is one with only a smoke filled room with Baccarat tables....
These pleasure seekers to OZ shores should be given a sightseeing trip to some maraijuana farm for fresh air! That would really be a fine investment opportunity.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 1:36pm
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No one has said any other casinos operate without a general gaming floor. If have thought that was quite clear. You asked how they would ensure it is a private gaming facility and I told you. It would operate like every other private gaming room in the country. You can't just walk in but if you turn up with the required amount of cash (different amount depending on whether you're local, interstate or overseas resident) you will be allowed in.
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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 1:47pm
I guess its becoming an artform to harpoon whales....
Minnows have no say in an elist hierarcy.
BTW When it comes to "my $ is not a good as your $" - Time to leave!
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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 2:54pm
Brudder_A wrote:
I guess its becoming an artform to harpoon whales....
Minnows have no say in an elist hierarcy.
BTW When it comes to "my $ is not a good as your $" - Time to leave!
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Exactly...
elitism at it's worst...
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 2:59pm
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
No one has said any other casinos operate without a general gaming floor. If have thought that was quite clear. You asked how they would ensure it is a private gaming facility and I told you. It would operate like every other private gaming room in the country. You can't just walk in but if you turn up with the required amount of cash (different amount depending on whether you're local, interstate or overseas resident) you will be allowed in. | No need to get Narky Exceed......simply asked how many other Casino's operated in Australia as a private boys club only without a general gaming floor......i was not aware of any but was not sure ! Sheesh !
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 3:06pm
jujuno wrote:
Brudder_A wrote:
I guess its becoming an artform to harpoon whales....
Minnows have no say in an elist hierarcy.
BTW When it comes to "my $ is not a good as your $" - Time to leave!
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Exactly...
elitism at it's worst...
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I have no problem with this in principle. It is an external source of revenue(foreigners) which is boosting the states coffers by large amounts that would in another situation be going to the govts of other jurisdictions. That benefits all NSW residents
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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 3:12pm
jujuno wrote:
Brudder_A wrote:
I guess its becoming an artform to harpoon whales....
Minnows have no say in an elist hierarcy.
BTW When it comes to "my $ is not a good as your $" - Time to leave!
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Exactly...
elitism at it's worst...
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Are you serious, as if the average punter doesn't have enough places to go and gamble already. What exactly is the problem with targetting wealthy gamblers and offering inducements such as free accommodation, limousines etc to attract them. Do you think the $5 gambler should be afforded the same treatment  About time you removed your class warfare chip from your narrow shoulders
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 3:28pm
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In answer to the threads question , No sydney does not need another casino.
The one we have is a money munching white elephant that without overseas gamblers would be not worth the upkeep, so not sure how another casino will benefit the community or the investors who finance it.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 3:58pm
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I agree Voyager.....& i still reckon rusty Nails will be on the mark long-term. Gambling is on the snoz in this country......& its not hard to see why......the buggers will never be satisfied.......will never satisfactorily self-regulate.......& the governments are in cahoots as they just cannot resist the money pot ! Kids do not stand a chance......corporate bookies in their face 24/7........pokies in every Pub / club.......casinos in every capital city.........24/7 access to sports betting all around the world........lotto / lotteries / scratchies / trackside / Keno.......never ending ! The real damage to our social fabric has yet to be fully realised imo - gotta be feeping a lot of folk poor !
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 4:00pm
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Are you against tourism in general or just gambling tourists?
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 4:24pm
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Not against tourism or gambling BD.....just think we have gone miles over the top in this country. Most countries around the world understand the damage unfetted gambling can cause......i mean our approach is the easy way......just let it run rampant. A second Casino in Sydney will start the Casino ball rolling again......justification for other cities to go for a second / third.......oh....& then Mr Packer will have reason to whinge that this has caused his high roller forecasts to be out.......so will need a general gaming floor to make up the short-fall.....& before you know it we have Casinos everywhere......& then the Pubs / Clubs complain that they need relief because pokie turn-over is down........& onto racing turn-over & so on & onas i said......never ending.
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 4:51pm
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This complex, a six star hotel(only one in the country) and invitation only high roller casino is targeting a market we don't have in this country. It is designed to bring in wealthy foreign visitors dignitaries, celebrities businessmen to relieve them of a lot of money that they would otherwise be spending in Macau, or Las Vegas
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 5:07pm
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Sounds like the sort of place Scamanda & The muffin would be invited too - maybe would could go as their guests BD
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 5:09pm
I am not as well healed or connected as that pair mate.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 5:16pm
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Can't have good looks, personality AND contacts BD 
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 17 May 2013 at 5:19pm
Nope might get a gig carrying their bags
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: 18 May 2013 at 12:07am
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You two really need to get a room ......
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 18 May 2013 at 1:01am
what for
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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 18 May 2013 at 1:24am
Whale wrote:
jujuno wrote:
Brudder_A wrote:
I guess its becoming an artform to harpoon whales....
Minnows have no say in an elist hierarcy.
BTW When it comes to "my $ is not a good as your $" - Time to leave!
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Exactly...
elitism at it's worst...
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Are you serious, as if the average punter doesn't have enough places to go and gamble already. What exactly is the problem with targetting wealthy gamblers and offering inducements such as free accommodation, limousines etc to attract them. Do you think the $5 gambler should be afforded the same treatment  About time you removed your class warfare chip from your narrow shoulders
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my "class warfare chip" is called equality...no-one is better than anyone else in this world...and especially in Australia...to say or think otherwise is dehumanising...
some just have more money...
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Posted By: BROOKE
Date Posted: 18 May 2013 at 5:02am
do the west coast eagles deserve another free kick?
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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 18 May 2013 at 1:05pm
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my "class warfare chip" is called equality...no-one is better than anyone else in this world...and especially in Australia...to say or think otherwise is dehumanising...
some just have more money...
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Well that is totally untrue, some people are definitely better than others, money should not be the criteria though. I still can't comprehend your problem with having a casino exclusively for high rollers, how is that discriminatory. By
the way i am not one to give people labels but your ideas are very
close to communism,in case you didn't hear it has failed everywhere it
has been tried
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 19 May 2013 at 1:42am
a casino exclusively for high rollers. why is that bad ? if they have the money to waste, let them go for it. its like saying lets have a restaurant for people with no kids. its not discriminatory, just practical. lets make it exclusive, and if you can afford it,,welcome !! why not ??
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Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 19 May 2013 at 3:11am
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OK, I can roll with that, Let's put it out to tender and see what interest emerges. What? it can only be in Barangaroo under the control of Packer. Why?
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 19 May 2013 at 11:57am
rusty nails wrote:
OK, I can roll with that,
Let's put it out to tender and see what interest emerges.
What? it can only be in Barangaroo under the control of Packer.
Why? | Spot on Rusty........all a little bit cosy ! I mean Packer has such a great record building & running Casino's. BRW list Packers wealth dropping $2 billion (7 to 5) over the past 6 yrs due primarily to poor decision making in his attempt to establish his global worldwide gambling empire. I mean how can you loose billions running Casino's for godsake........just as well he got out of the media game ! So yeah.........whats with the loyalty to Packer ?
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 19 May 2013 at 12:05pm
true too. i can "get" what you say there , now you mention those points . it has made me think and wonder why packer ? would there be anyone else wanting to take it on ? not that i care greatly ! i am never likely to darken its door !
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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 19 May 2013 at 8:34pm
Whale wrote:
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my "class warfare chip" is called equality...no-one is better than anyone else in this world...and especially in Australia...to say or think otherwise is dehumanising...
some just have more money...
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Well that is totally untrue, some people are definitely better than others, money should not be the criteria though. I still can't comprehend your problem with having a casino exclusively for high rollers, how is that discriminatory. By the way i am not one to give people labels but your ideas are very close to communism,in case you didn't hear it has failed everywhere it has been tried [/QUOTE]
give it a break, whale...this is Australia...land of equality...where you can slap the PM on the back and say "Hiya Jules..'...nothing like communism...
I just believe my money is as good as others....IF I choose to invest it...
sick of the Packers/ Palmers of this world discriminating against the general public...
smacks of class society...
let's go back a few centuries...
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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 19 May 2013 at 9:50pm
I am sure your money is as good as anyones, just let them know you are willing to gamble in tens of thousands and I am sure they will invite you.
If I happen to have made a considerable amount of money in my life, you are saying that I should not be able to holiday on Hamilton Island because the majority of people would not be able to afford it , therefore it is discriminatory, what a weird argument 
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Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 19 May 2013 at 11:13pm
I don't like types like packer building and running what ever shows they like purely to fill their own pockets and this casino is exactly that...just a massive ATM for himself, the house always wins, so Packer wins again, more for him and fck all for all the rest of us.
Greedy filth..
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 20 May 2013 at 10:26pm
oneonesit wrote:
rusty nails wrote:
OK, I can roll with that,
Let's put it out to tender and see what interest emerges.
What? it can only be in Barangaroo under the control of Packer.
Why? | Spot on Rusty........all a little bit cosy ! I mean Packer has such a great record building & running Casino's. BRW list Packers wealth dropping $2 billion (7 to 5) over the past 6 yrs due primarily to poor decision making in his attempt to establish his global worldwide gambling empire. I mean how can you loose billions running Casino's for godsake........just as well he got out of the media game ! So yeah.........whats with the loyalty to Packer ? |
You mistake a fall in paper wealth with unprofitable businesses. I'm quite sure that his casinos are making money. And other than the bath he took when the sharks in Vegas had him for dinner, I can't really think of a failed casino venture that he has been a part of.
And like any business, a casino can lose money for a variety of reasons. Just ask Caesar's Entertainment in the US which is on the very of bankruptcy thanks to a mountain of debt.
On the original question of this topic though, IMO Sydney doesn't need a second casino. Just my opinion but I think one in each capital city is enough.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 20 May 2013 at 10:27pm
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 20 May 2013 at 11:53pm
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
oneonesit wrote:
rusty nails wrote:
OK, I can roll with that,
Let's put it out to tender and see what interest emerges.
What? it can only be in Barangaroo under the control of Packer.
Why? | Spot on Rusty........all a little bit cosy ! I mean Packer has such a great record building & running Casino's. BRW list Packers wealth dropping $2 billion (7 to 5) over the past 6 yrs due primarily to poor decision making in his attempt to establish his global worldwide gambling empire. I mean how can you loose billions running Casino's for godsake........just as well he got out of the media game ! So yeah.........whats with the loyalty to Packer ? |
You mistake a fall in paper wealth with unprofitable businesses. I'm quite sure that his casinos are making money. And other than the bath he took when the sharks in Vegas had him for dinner, I can't really think of a failed casino venture that he has been a part of.
And like any business, a casino can lose money for a variety of reasons. Just ask Caesar's Entertainment in the US which is on the very of bankruptcy thanks to a mountain of debt.
On the original question of this topic though, IMO Sydney doesn't need a second casino. Just my opinion but I think one in each capital city is enough.
| What.....other than the Vegas disaster you mean........a write off of 4 billion due to casino investments that went bad ! Just can't sweep that under the carpet like it did not happen
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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 1:32am
Whale wrote:
I am sure your money is as good as anyones, just let them know you are willing to gamble in tens of thousands and I am sure they will invite you.
If I happen to have made a considerable amount of money in my life, you are saying that I should not be able to holiday on Hamilton Island because the majority of people would not be able to afford it , therefore it is discriminatory, what a weird argument 
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no, I'm saying the opposite...Hamilton Island has no class restrictions...been there, done that...
anyone can save to go there....
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 10:51am
oneonesit wrote:
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
oneonesit wrote:
rusty nails wrote:
OK, I can roll with that,
Let's put it out to tender and see what interest emerges.
What? it can only be in Barangaroo under the control of Packer.
Why? | Spot on Rusty........all a little bit cosy ! I mean Packer has such a great record building & running Casino's. BRW list Packers wealth dropping $2 billion (7 to 5) over the past 6 yrs due primarily to poor decision making in his attempt to establish his global worldwide gambling empire. I mean how can you loose billions running Casino's for godsake........just as well he got out of the media game ! So yeah.........whats with the loyalty to Packer ? |
You mistake a fall in paper wealth with unprofitable businesses. I'm quite sure that his casinos are making money. And other than the bath he took when the sharks in Vegas had him for dinner, I can't really think of a failed casino venture that he has been a part of.
And like any business, a casino can lose money for a variety of reasons. Just ask Caesar's Entertainment in the US which is on the very of bankruptcy thanks to a mountain of debt.
On the original question of this topic though, IMO Sydney doesn't need a second casino. Just my opinion but I think one in each capital city is enough.
| What.....other than the Vegas disaster you mean........a write off of 4 billion due to casino investments that went bad ! Just can't sweep that under the carpet like it did not happen |
It wasn't anything like $4b and if you look at the timing it was right as the GFC hit. Better players than Packer couldn't predict the disaster that chapter in history turned out to be.
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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 11:00am
jujuno wrote:
Whale wrote:
I am sure your money is as good as anyones, just let them know you are willing to gamble in tens of thousands and I am sure they will invite you.
If I happen to have made a considerable amount of money in my life, you are saying that I should not be able to holiday on Hamilton Island because the majority of people would not be able to afford it , therefore it is discriminatory, what a weird argument 
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no, I'm saying the opposite...Hamilton Island has no class restrictions...been there, done that...
anyone can save to go there....
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Are those that can't afford Hamilton Island being discriminated against ? Anyone can go to the high rollers casino, if they can afford it, no difference. I don't see why it bothers you, basically the casino will cater to the rich, it doesn't affect you in any way. Maybe Hamilton Island was not a good example, how about a 5 star hotel or luxury resorts like the Mardan Palace Hotel Turkey, should these places not exist because 99% of people can't afford even 1 night there ?
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 11:35am
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 11:54am
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Fair enough Whale.....the 4 billion might be on the high side.........depends at what time scale you look at. Four Corners reported 2 billion in Oct 2009.......1.3 billion being in Vegas & the rest from other Casino interests around the world. Anyway......still big dollars & whilst it was after the GFC it is well reported that his losses were from "poor decision making". Exceed got it right saying "the vegas sharks saw him coming". Bottom line his wealth dropped from 7 b to 5 b between 2006 & 2012 according to BRW. The question still remains as Rusty said why would a public tender not be be called on such a huge project? If the state govt is seriously considering his proposal this should just happen......& to be fair maybe it still will. My feeling is it will all fall over.......Echo will fight it big time & more importantly anymore gambling proliferation will be seen as poison by the general community as evidenced by the sports betting fiasco currently "in-play". Hope i am right
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 12:07pm
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The question of the no tender process has been raised and it is reported that Star and some overseas operators are now entering the process
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Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 12:34pm
Casino's and any firms that are gambling based including racing and sports etc, should be made to pay a gambling tax that is solely used to help rehabilitate problem gamblers imo...and should also be forced to donate to a local charity every year, one that is randomly selected like lotto balls.
Off course you can bet on who wins...LOL
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 1:23pm
Browndog wrote:
The question of the no tender process has been raised and it is reported that Star and some overseas operators are now entering the process | As usual BD you are the "bearer" of information to enlighten us all..........so a tender on the project is in the pipeline.......excellent ! (now as Holly suggested.......can we get that room together ?)
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 1:31pm
Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 1:32pm
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 3:10pm
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Okay so now I see where we are going?
So this new casino will be for the well healed and the overseas targets, and the locals and riff raff will be seen in the existing casino.
Right well if that is how it works, I agree then, if it does not impact on locals who can not afford it I am fine with it.
If the cost of staying and playing there includes day tours to other sydney and surrounding attractions and lifts our tourism attracting capabilities and business opportunities I am all for it.
The question however was does Sydney need a second casino, and I still say no it does not, but happy to be proven wrong!
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Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 11:41pm
Does Sydney Need Another Casino ?
As much as AYERS ROCK needs a Bottle shop.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 22 May 2013 at 11:15am
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Or the Cross needing another knock shop !
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 22 May 2013 at 11:16am
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Or Australia needing anymore Corporate Bookmakers !
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Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 22 May 2013 at 11:34am
VOYAGER wrote:
Okay so now I see where we are going?
So this new casino will be for the well healed and the overseas targets, and the locals and riff raff will be seen in the existing casino.
Right well if that is how it works, I agree then, if it does not impact on locals who can not afford it I am fine with it.
If the cost of staying and playing there includes day tours to other sydney and surrounding attractions and lifts our tourism attracting capabilities and business opportunities I am all for it.
The question however was does Sydney need a second casino, and I still say no it does not, but happy to be proven wrong! |
This is the bit I don't get. They say it will be for the biggest high rollers only,AND it will boost tourism. How can a handful of huge punters boost tourism. The two things are nutually exclusive.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 22 May 2013 at 12:31pm
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That's where you're wrong. High rollers bring their families as well. While they lose a million on the baccarat tables the wife is shopping up a storm at high end retail outlets while the nanny is taking the kids on a tour of the cities main attractions.
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Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 12:26pm
Tom Waterhouse will be opening his own casino soon and will be jamming it on every TV station in the world
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2013 at 6:34pm
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Packer casino gets go-ahead to proceed to next stage July 4, 2013 - 3:45PM A second casino is set to open in Sydney from 2019 after James Packer’s plans for a $1.5 billion hotel and gambling resort at Barangaroo received NSW government backing. NSW Premier Barry O’Farrell said the proposal for Crown's hotel and gambling resort at Barangaroo could proceed to "stage three" of the assessment, but it was not yet a licence to build. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/packer-casino-gets-goahead-to-proceed-to-next-stage-20130704-2pdrv.html#ixzz2Y3WzbPvT" rel="nofollow - http://www.smh.com.au/business/packer-casino-gets-goahead-to-proceed-to-next-stage-20130704-2pdrv.html#ixzz2Y3WzbPvT
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2013 at 1:38am
& whilst there will be no pokies initially....I still bet pounds to peanuts when the final agreements are drawn up average Joe will be able to get easy access to a "huge" general floor casino.....& a few years later Packer will use under performance to also get the one armed demons ban over turned....will turn out to be a classic "softly, softly" project !
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2013 at 1:50am
yep....can here it ringing in my ears already.......VIP patronage not hitting forecasts.....increased international casino competition(yeah, well der),slump in the Asian economy, no pokie policy impacting on customer draw.....gee....unless we can also get a slice of the local mug money we might not be able to pay all that dosh we promised...ok then....open slather....there you go !
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Posted By: Fiddlesticks
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2013 at 2:29am
How does this casino benefit NSW or Australia in general..?
Please don't say tourism, these high rollers are not tourists in the true sense of the word ff$
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Posted By: BROOKE
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2013 at 11:03am
It just benefits James Packer, and probably his bank accounts in Switzerland.
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Posted By: Browndog
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2013 at 11:09am
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It benefits the tax-payers of NSW in that it will generate hundreds of millions in revenue per year that would otherwise be going somewhere else in the world due to the exclusive nature of the patronage
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Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2013 at 11:13am
It will benefit the NSW Government
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Posted By: BROOKE
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2013 at 11:24am
TIGER wrote:
It will benefit the NSW Government |
only if they have ties with packers swiss bank accounts.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2019 at 8:37pm
oneonesit wrote:
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
No one has said any other casinos operate without a general gaming floor. If have thought that was quite clear. You asked how they would ensure it is a private gaming facility and I told you. It would operate like every other private gaming room in the country. You can't just walk in but if you turn up with the required amount of cash (different amount depending on whether you're local, interstate or overseas resident) you will be allowed in. | No need to get Narky Exceed......simply asked how many other Casino's operated in Australia as a private boys club only without a general gaming floor......i was not aware of any but was not sure ! Sheesh ! | This topic may need revisiting after 60 Minutes tonight. What chance the new Barangaroo Casino want require modifications to their “high roller” only license ?
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2019 at 8:41pm
I read somewhere that Asian whales have got sick of losing big in Aussie casinos. And that's 75% of the business model.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2019 at 8:52pm
oneonesit wrote:
yep....can here it ringing in my ears already.......VIP patronage not hitting forecasts.....increased international casino competition(yeah, well der),slump in the Asian economy, no pokie policy impacting on customer draw.....gee....unless we can also get a slice of the local mug money we might not be able to pay all that dosh we promised...ok then....open slather....there you go ! | Gee oneone - your prediction 6 years looks like it could be right. Time will tell of course.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2019 at 8:53pm
Does Sydney Need Another Casino ?
Does anyone need another penis or clitoris?
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2019 at 8:57pm
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Actually I would rather have 2 dicks than 2 casinos.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2019 at 8:59pm
Yes - if I were Packer I would have lost interest in the Casino game as well. When Crowns shonky practices were exposed in China the game was up for Barangaroo. As you said Tlazz - the entire business model was based around the big Whale Chinese gamblers ( most of who were shonks themselves ). All of a sudden the nickel & dime Aussies have more appeal 😂
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2019 at 8:59pm
Second Chance wrote:
<h1>Does Sydney Need Another Casino ?</h1>
Does anyone need another penis or clitoris? |
I would like a clitoris if there are any to spare.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2019 at 9:12pm
Wouldn’t you love to know what “really” went on when Packer got the go ahead without anyone else putting in a tender. Unbelievable actually. Those that approved it based on Packers crap should be held to account
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2019 at 9:17pm
To think that whole magnificent Barangaroo development was built on the back of a dodgy new casino proposal
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2019 at 9:20pm
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True oneone, they are usually pretty strict about who they allow to hold licences Remember when they knocked back this crook for dodgy numbers and mafia connections?
Trump Bid to Operate Sydney Casino Was Killed by Alleged ‘Mafia Connections’ http://www.casino.org/news/trump-bid-operate-sydney-casino-killed-alleged-mafia-connections" rel="nofollow - http://www.casino.org/news/trump-bid-operate-sydney-casino-killed-alleged-mafia-connections
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2019 at 9:30pm
I asked for that
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 2:04pm
oneonesit wrote:
oneonesit wrote:
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
No one has said any other casinos operate without a general gaming floor. If have thought that was quite clear. You asked how they would ensure it is a private gaming facility and I told you. It would operate like every other private gaming room in the country. You can't just walk in but if you turn up with the required amount of cash (different amount depending on whether you're local, interstate or overseas resident) you will be allowed in. | No need to get Narky Exceed......simply asked how many other Casino's operated in Australia as a private boys club only without a general gaming floor......i was not aware of any but was not sure ! Sheesh ! | This topic may need revisiting after 60 Minutes tonight. What chance the new Barangaroo Casino want require modifications to their “high roller” only license ? |
Was an interesting story but really nothing surprising revealed. Anyone who has spent any amount of time in the Mahogany room at crown would be well aware of the types of characters you see hanging around. Have seen many eye operated there. But Is anyone really naive enough to think this doesn’t go on everywhere? It’s simply what happens in casinos.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 2:21pm
Casinos are boring. If I was a billionaire I could think of far more exciting things to do.
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Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2019 at 9:22am
I'm sure this new casino will get about 100 visitors a year if it's only a millionaires club, the big gamblers from Asia head to crown
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2019 at 12:40pm
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Does Sydney need another casino ? NO.
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2019 at 1:14pm
Tlazolteotl wrote:
Casinos are boring. If I was a billionaire I could think of far more exciting things to do.
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If I was a billionaire I would buy my own Brothel , so would have no use for a Casino.
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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2019 at 3:29pm
oneonesit wrote:
Yes - if I were Packer I would have lost interest in the Casino game as well. When Crowns shonky practices were exposed in China the game was up for Barangaroo. As you said Tlazz - the entire business model was based around the big Whale Chinese gamblers ( most of who were shonks themselves ). All of a sudden the nickel & dime Aussies have more appeal 😂 |
James Packer Takes Delivery Of His $290 Million Benetti SuperyachtAussie casino tycoon James Packer recently let go of a considerable amount of shares in his Crown Resorts company for a reported US$1.8 billion (AU$2.6 billion), and to celebrate, has decided to treat himself to a custom yacht from Italian superyacht builders Benetti.
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