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    Posted: 18 Aug 2024 at 2:13pm
Hi all it's nearly that time again.  I haven't sounded out the other Dizzy or Alfra so if they can't run their comps someone with a better understanding of maths may need to step in!  Here are the dates for the G1 races.  Included is the Everest

24-Aug-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  Winx Stakes 1400m Group 1  $1,000,000
31-Aug-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Stow Storage Memsie Stakes 1400m Group 1  $750,000
7-Sep-2024 The Valley  VIC  Charter Keck Cramer Moir Stakes 1000m Group 1  $750,000
14-Sep-2024 Flemington  VIC  Pfd Food Services Makybe Diva Stakes 1600m Group 1  $750,000
21-Sep-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Underwood Stakes 1800m Group 1  $750,000
27-Sep-2024 The Valley  VIC  Ladbrokes Manikato Stakes 1200m Group 1  $2,000,000
28-Sep-2024 Rosehill Gardens  NSW  Golden Rose Stakes 1400m Group 1  $1,000,000
5-Oct-2024 Flemington  VIC  Tab Turnbull Stakes 2000m Group 1  $750,000
5-Oct-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  Tab Epsom Handicap 1600m Group 1  $1,500,000
5-Oct-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  The Metropolitan 2400m Group 1  $750,000
5-Oct-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  Darley Flight Stakes 1600m Group 1  $750,000
12-Oct-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Sportsbet Caulfield Guineas 1600m Group 1  $3,000,000
12-Oct-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Hyland Race Colours Toorak Handicap 1600m Group 1  $1,000,000
12-Oct-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Sportsbet Might And Power 2000m Group 1  $1,000,000
19-Oct-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Sportsbet Caulfield Cup 2400m Group 1  $5,000,000
19-Oct-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  King Charles III Stakes 1600m Group 1  $4,960,000
19-Oct-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  The Everest SR $20,000,000
26-Oct-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  Spring Champion Stakes 2000m Group 1  $2,000,000
26-Oct-2024 The Valley  VIC  Ladbrokes Cox Plate 2040m Group 1  $5,000,000
2-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Coolmore Stud Stakes 1200m Group 1  $2,000,000
2-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Penfolds Victoria Derby 2500m Group 1  $2,000,000
2-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Tab Empire Rose Stakes 1600m Group 1  $1,000,000
5-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Lexus Melbourne Cup 3200m Group 1  $7,430,000
7-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Vrc Oaks 2500m Group 1  $1,000,000
9-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Darley Champions Sprint 1200m Group 1  $3,000,000
9-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Vrc Champions Mile 1600m Group 1  $3,000,000
9-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Tab Champions Stakes 2000m Group 1  $3,000,000
16-Nov-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Schweppes Thousand Guineas 1600m Group 1  $1,500,000
16-Nov-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Sportsbet Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes 1400m Group 1  $1,000,000
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now there are also five SW or SW and penalties which are.  You can decide if you want these included

26-Oct NSW The Invitation SR $2,000,000
26-Oct NSW Five Diamonds Prelude SR $1,000,000
26-Oct NSW Callander-Presnell SR $1,000,000
9-Nov NSW Five Diamonds   SR $2,000,000
9-Nov NSW Golden Gift SR $1,000,000
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How the hell is it nearly Spring already? Not that I'm complaining!
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I'm good to go.

IMO, we should set a bar of $2 million for the Sydney pop-up races, plus they should be a grand final race of sorts, so races like the Silver Eagle and Five Diamonds Prelude should be out, the Golden Gift is a joke of a race IMO and shouldn't be included.

So I'd be willing to accept the Invitation, the Five Diamonds, the Golden Eagle and the Everest, I would also be open to including the Shorts and the Premiere Stakes, given both carry a purse of a million and generally attract good fields.
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Happy days! Thanks organisers!

Personally I’d prefer Group 1’s only for our spring and autumn comps. There’s plenty enough to do my head in LOL (and I’m still anti-Everest but will follow the mob as usual)
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Looking forward again.

I'm against those 5 events being included. Only G1 and The Everest.


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I agree with brudder here. Everest only non group 1.
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Fine by me that's why I kept them separate.  It's hard enough trying to work out the G1!
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I feel we should include the Golden Eagle if we include the Everest, they're the two richest races in the spring, the Eagle will help lessen the chance of someone (as I did a few years ago with Giga Kick LOL) getting a double figure winner in the richest race and winning the SP or Roughies comp based on that alone, plus in all likelyhood both races will be Group 1 events once enough time has passed, in all reality the Eagle may even gain it first given it is open nominations rather than a slot race.
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In saying that I'm happy to go with the majority, just my thoughts FWIW.
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How about just count points rather than prizemoney for the Everest/ Eagle?
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Now that's an interesting suggestion well worth consideration.  
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I like!

(Why did none of us ever think of that before?Big smile)
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Well whatever there is always a race worth more than the rest ie the Melbourne Cup which is harder than the everest to pick the winner!  That's the whole idea.  We all get to pick and if we're wrong we pay the penalty.  If we are mostly on the favourite and one of us gets a long shot winner then they should benefit!
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It doesn't matter in my comp so no worries there.
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While I understand your point, the purse of the Everest is so much greater than any other race in the competition, I think it should be either both the Everest and the Eagle, or neither in.  It at least offsets someone getting a good price winner in the sugar hit that is the Everest.
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I agree with Afros - both or neither. I'm in favour of neither. Its a G1 comp and maybe should stay that way. When they eventually give G1 status to either race then its in.
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If is a case of both or neither - I'm neither. Its a G1 comp...
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Actually I agree with VSP and Brudda_A above, I'm probably more leaning toward not including the Everest and Golden Eagle, I'd probably be more suportive of adding the three Perth G1 events given that they are to be run on the 3 weekends immediately following the final G1 meeting of the Spring Carnival at Caulfield on November 16th.
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I'll go with Afros.
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OK I'll add the WA races to the comp but I'll keep the Everest in the Winners Comp.  It is a G1 as it's the best sprint going around no matter what everyone blocking it says.  And believe me I hate the money involved it too much but that doesn't effect my comp.
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The List of races for Winners comp including the Everest and the three G1 WA races 

24-Aug-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  Winx Stakes 1400m Group 1  $1,000,000
31-Aug-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Stow Storage Memsie Stakes 1400m Group 1  $750,000
7-Sep-2024 The Valley  VIC  Charter Keck Cramer Moir Stakes 1000m Group 1  $750,000
14-Sep-2024 Flemington  VIC  Pfd Food Services Makybe Diva Stakes 1600m Group 1  $750,000
21-Sep-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Underwood Stakes 1800m Group 1  $750,000
27-Sep-2024 The Valley  VIC  Ladbrokes Manikato Stakes 1200m Group 1  $2,000,000
28-Sep-2024 Rosehill Gardens  NSW  Golden Rose Stakes 1400m Group 1  $1,000,000
5-Oct-2024 Flemington  VIC  Tab Turnbull Stakes 2000m Group 1  $750,000
5-Oct-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  Tab Epsom Handicap 1600m Group 1  $1,500,000
5-Oct-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  The Metropolitan 2400m Group 1  $750,000
5-Oct-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  Darley Flight Stakes 1600m Group 1  $750,000
12-Oct-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Sportsbet Caulfield Guineas 1600m Group 1  $3,000,000
12-Oct-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Hyland Race Colours Toorak Handicap 1600m Group 1  $1,000,000
12-Oct-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Sportsbet Might And Power 2000m Group 1  $1,000,000
19-Oct-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Sportsbet Caulfield Cup 2400m Group 1  $5,000,000
19-Oct-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  King Charles III Stakes 1600m Group 1  $4,960,000
19-Oct-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  The Everest SR $20,000,000
26-Oct-2024 Royal Randwick  NSW  Spring Champion Stakes 2000m Group 1  $2,000,000
26-Oct-2024 The Valley  VIC  Ladbrokes Cox Plate 2040m Group 1  $5,000,000
2-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Coolmore Stud Stakes 1200m Group 1  $2,000,000
2-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Penfolds Victoria Derby 2500m Group 1  $2,000,000
2-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Tab Empire Rose Stakes 1600m Group 1  $1,000,000
5-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Lexus Melbourne Cup 3200m Group 1  $7,430,000
7-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Vrc Oaks 2500m Group 1  $1,000,000
9-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Darley Champions Sprint 1200m Group 1  $3,000,000
9-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Vrc Champions Mile 1600m Group 1  $3,000,000
9-Nov-2024 Flemington  VIC  Tab Champions Stakes 2000m Group 1  $3,000,000
16-Nov-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Schweppes Thousand Guineas 1600m Group 1  $1,500,000
16-Nov-2024 Caulfield  VIC  Sportsbet Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes 1400m Group 1  $1,000,000
23-Nov-24  Ascot RAILWAY STAKES 1600M Group 1 $1,500,000
30-Nov-24  Ascot WINTERBOTTOM STAKES 1200M Group 1 $1,500,000
7-Dec-24 Ascot NORTHERLY STAKES Group 1 $1,500,000
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Thanks Furious.  The Winners is your comp so you're entirely entitled to run the rules as you see fit.  So points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd for the Everest.

Afros and hopefully Dizzy will continue to manage the Roughies and SP comps, though it's clear Afros would prefer the Everest be excluded due to the inflated prize-money attached to the race and how it could skew results.

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I'm happy to go with the majority, if majority want it in then it gets a start, if majority don't want it I'll go that way, I'm sure dizzy will also go with that.  FWIW that total prize money for the races furious has shared above is a tick under $82.5 million, meaning the Everest represents 1/4 of the total pool.

Regardless it's going to be one for the staying types this round thats for sure! 16 Saturdays in a row plus Cup Tuesday and Oaks Thursday.
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Just get rid of the ridiculously high prize money races in the money comps and let those races be part of the winners comp.
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Oh I'm only keeping in the Everest.  It is the higher class race. 
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otherwise the comp will be the same with the three G1's from WA.
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I will go with furious,  and keep the Everest in, and the 3 WA Group 1s. 
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But for the Winners 1,2,3 point comp alone I presume?
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Yes always that's why the prize money doesn't matter.  And the race should be a g1 it's our best sprint every year
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