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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

Oh come on 124, are you serious.

Every person and their dog has said he was not at his best but he won, and the ratings boys are saying it was one of his best runs, get the f#$k out of here.

On his run last saturday I would even be tempted to back Sir Dragonet to beat him at 2000m. 

There is no way knowing that effort rated a 124, I thought his previous win was better at 1400m!

Oh forget about it!  

To my eye initially I thought the Timeform rating was around 120 or 121. In my opinion I think 124 is a bit high but it is what it is and we move on.
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Anyone who pays attention to ratings like this has no idea. Timeform are one of the worst culprits.
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Cox Plate tickets in the bin?
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Track too hard for the pommy?
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If horses add pressure to Zaaki during the race, then there is a good chance he will crumble like a cheesecake biscuit base. Zaaki is a Group 3/Listed horse in Europe which is the best racing jurisdiction in the world at 1600m+....he was getting hammered in Europe...and why...because they run their races with pressure.....world class pressure and Zaaki couldn't handle it. Then Zaaki comes to Australia and wins a few Group 1s and people are talking about Zaaki like he is something special. Sit and sprint conditions suit Zaaki....but races with pressure...and Zaaki can't handle it which is what exactly happened in the G1 Might And Power Stakes today (2000m) at Caulfield.
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Do not throw those Cox Plate tickets away as this race is know as a graveyard for favorites.


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Track far too hard today, and that's becoming all too frequent at Caulfield.  Whether that was a reason for Zaaki's ordinary run or not... 

Hopefully the Cox will be run on a Good 4 or even a 5.
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Cox Plate is usually ran after 5pm, not ideal although the surface is more forgiving.
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Stopped pulling then gave little , definitely needs pace on imo .
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Zaaki probably needs a soft run and then into a sprint home in the Cox Plate.
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Agree Carioca!! He needs a fast run CP if he's to win because he has no sprint when pulling hard in slowly run races. The sectionals in this race will be interesting.
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Now that he's racing top grade horses at their peak he doesn't have much on them. 
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If Incentivise trots in the CC next week as expected,  I would love to see him take on Zaaki in the Cox Plate on the back-up.
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Who would sack VE after one ordinary run following a long run of top class performances?  I hardly think so.

So why sack Zaaki after one ordinary run following a long run of top class performances?
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Make that few would sack VE after one ordinary performance.  Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

So why sack Zaaki after one ordinary run following a long run of top class performances?

Maybe that's the issue. He's had a lot of racing in the last six months. Had nothing in the straight today. 
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He's had 8 starts in the last 6 months, hardly excessive racing surely?
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D Dunn had said prior to the race he had heard Zaaki was pretty average at trackwork during the week
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

He's had 8 starts in the last 6 months, hardly excessive racing surely?

It's more the small break he had and big runs in Queensland may be catching up with him.
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Zaaki a chance in the Cantala.  Not a true WFA warrior like Elle
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

If horses add pressure to Zaaki during the race, then there is a good chance he will crumble like a cheesecake biscuit base. Zaaki is a Group 3/Listed horse in Europe which is the best racing jurisdiction in the world at 1600m+....he was getting hammered in Europe...and why...because they run their races with pressure.....world class pressure and Zaaki couldn't handle it. Then Zaaki comes to Australia and wins a few Group 1s and people are talking about Zaaki like he is something special. Sit and sprint conditions suit Zaaki....but races with pressure...and Zaaki can't handle it which is what exactly happened in the G1 Might And Power Stakes today (2000m) at Caulfield.

Gee you're a negative dribbler Jamal.  The horse suffers his first defeat since the Doncaster and you rush strait on here to gleefully tell everyone how bad the horse is.

As we all know this race can be a graveyard for well fancied horses, the two previous editions have seen Russian Camelot rolled over at odds on and Avilius at evens, Probabeel is a classy mare in her own right and now a 4 time G1 winner, I wouldn't write Zaaki off for the Cox Plate just yet.
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If I was a bookie I'd be writing him off, the Valley takes no prisoners.
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As posted earlier have backed VE in the Cox Plate.

However have now obtained $3 about Zaaki as my saver which suits me just fine.  Given a decent barrier am almost certain he'll lead at a decent clip throughout.
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I think you'll be going to work Monday, unfortunately.
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Sorry, retired at age 55, and that was a while ago.

So what're your thoughts on the Cox?
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Plenty of other negative comments re Zaaki and afros singles out Jamal...

Afros you demonstrate how little you know about racing.
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Strapped on all four joints?
Only 9 races for a 6 yo
Zaaki has joint problems.
They will be hoping for down pours for future racing.
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From a punting perspective Zaaki's failure makes the Cox Plate now a tantalising betting proposition. I for one will have a big go at Zaaki should it start $3 or more.
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