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    Posted: 22 May 2021 at 11:02pm

ZAAKI (GB)
Bay or brown gelding 2015 
Leroidesanimaux
Chestnut 2000
Candy Stripes
Chestnut 1982
Blushing Groom
Chestnut 1974
Red God
Chestnut 1954
Nasrullah
Spring Run
1940
1948
9-c
8-c
Runaway Bride
Bay 1962
Wild Risk
Aimee
1940
1957
3-f
22-d
Bubble Company
Chestnut 1977
Lyphard
Bay 1969
Northern Dancer
Goofed
1961
1960
2-d
17-b
Prodice
Chestnut 1969
Prominer
Euridice
1962
1962
8-f
1-b
Dissemble
Chestnut 1989
Ahonoora
Chestnut 1975
Lorenzaccio
Chestnut 1965
Klairon
Phoenissa
1952
1951
1-w
5-h
Helen Nichols
Chestnut 1966
Martial
Quaker Girl
1957
1961
2-e
1-m
Kerali
Chestnut 1984
High Line
Chestnut 1966
High Hat
Time Call
1957
1955
2-o
5-e
Sookera
Bay or brown 1975
Roberto
Irule
1969
1968
12-c
11>
Kesara
Bay 2005
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935
1944
4-r
14-c
Natalma
Bay 1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950
1947
5-f
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Bay 1968
Hail to Reason
Lalun
1958
1952
4-n
19-b
Special
Bay 1969
Forli
Thong
1963
1964
3-b
5-h
Kaldounya
Grey 1997
Kaldoun
Grey 1975
Caro
Grey 1967
Fortino
Chambord
1959
1955
4-r
3-o
Katana
Bay 1970
Le Haar
Embellie
1954
1962
20-a
12-c
Minya
Chestnut 1984
Blushing Groom
Chestnut 1974
Red God
Runaway Bride
1954
1962
8-c
22-d
Riverqueen
Bay 1973
Luthier
Riverside
1965
1966
14-c
1-w
 Ancestor duplications:Blushing Groom3m x 4f Northern Dancer5m x 3m




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Cox Plate odds LOL

ZAAKI
175974
4.00
1.75
VERRY ELLEEGANT
175949
8.00
2.75
CONTRAIL
175948
11.00
3.50
ANAMOE
175959
15.00
4.50
ARMORY
175929
15.00
4.50
AYRTON
175952
15.00
4.50
CHRONO GENESIS
175951
15.00
4.50
GOLDEN SIXTY
175975
15.00
4.50
MUGATOO
175931
15.00
4.50
PROBABEEL
175934
15.00
4.50
SIR DRAGONET
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15.00
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Some details of his pedigree when he won thr Gp3 Strensall Stakes at York in Aug 2019. The highlight clearly is his 4th dam, Riverqueen, who won 3 Group Ones in France.




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You'd have to be a real mug, a first class dimwit, to take $4 all-in Zaaki at this stage - I got $5.LOL
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Many a true word said in jest Tlaz Smile if all goes well with this horse punters could be taking evens imo , super impressive , racing needs another good one and this is Him. Wink
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Overall time , 2-01-06, last 600 35-64, Only Words winner of the last , 2-03-43, last 600 36-79, I know they were Oaks fillies but he looked to even have some petrol left.
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If they are Oaks fillies than surely they are top class, your comment almost sounds like a derogatory comment, I am sure it was not meant to be.

For him to have run nearly 12 lengths faster than an Oaks trial is outstanding. 




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Are you sure you don't suffer from some sort of paranoia or something similar ConfusedConfused they are time comparisons and also subject to race tempo as well , no hint of being derogatory , I stated they were oaks fillies , I think you need a good women !
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Firstly, yes, I do need a good woman.

2ndly, reading it again, I still think you worded it in a derogatory way.

Sorry.






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Your apologies are not needed my friend , just remember we don't all think alike Wink sometimes when there's black and white you seem to see a lot of grey , I can't help that .LOL
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Was very impressive that’s for sure. Always a question mark how this translates to Mooney Valley in the spring though IMO. I won’t be rushing to back him just yet. 

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I'd be more interested in a cc or mc rather than a Cox plate. He is a gelding so that shouldn't stop them going for at least one of the cups. Zeyrek is the other french import that I am keeping an eye on but they gave him to Hawkes and not sure they are as good staying trainers as Annabel.
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Timeform rating of 126 for Zaaki in winning the Doomben Cup. The best rating for a Doomben Cup winner in 22 years according to article below


https://www.racingandsports.com/news/timeform/timeform-news/2021-05-24/timeform-recap-2021-doomben-cup/549555
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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I thought you would have checked if Moods was back on the wacky tabbacky djebel Big smile 
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LOL  Look he could well be right, i do not believe so but I am not infallible. 






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LOL  Look he could well be right, i do not believe so but I am not infallible. 


quote " but I'm not infallible " . LOLLOLLOL I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why my post was derogatory about a horse that was -53 of a sec. outside Might and Powers race record in the Doomben Cup.Wink
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Moody: Why Aussies are best in world

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Zaaki’s seven length romp in the G1 Doomben Cup shouldn’t throw into question the legitimacy of his rivals, instead it should highlight the quality of Australian trainers.

That’s the view of Peter Moody, who posed the question on his podcast, Moody On The Mic, as to whether Annabel Neasham might get more from a horse than world-renowned trainer Sir Michael Stoute, who care the gelding was in when racing in the UK.

“We see it year in, year out when these horses come out from Europe and people downplay the quality of our racing stock,” Moody lamented.

“I think what should be celebrated more is the quality of our Australian trainers.

“Is Annabel Neasham a better trainer than Sir Michael Stoute? Massive call but she’s got this horse absolutely flying.”

Moody has personal experience in getting imported horses to find extra on Australian soil having trained Manighar to the both the G1 BMW and G1 Australian Cup after taking over from Luca Cumani.

“I was nearly hung and quartered in Europe for the fact I suggested that maybe we improve these horse on these great European trainers,” he said of the Manighar experience.

“Our training methods are much more advanced, we’re much more open minded, we have a lot more scope in the way we go about training these horses, they’re not pigeonholed like they are in Europe.

“They come out here to this environment and I think a lot of them find lengths because they’re a lot better trained.”

Zaaki has improved off every run since resuming down under.

He was sixth when first up in the G1 Doncaster, second beaten a nose in the G3 JRA Plate, won a star-studded G2 Hollindale Stakes by more than two lengths before belting them in the Doomben Cup last weekend.

“Don’t downplay the opposition; I would suggest that this horse has improved in his current environment and maybe he’s being trained better. Maybe,” Moody said.

“Australian trainers, I believe, are the best in the world and they significantly improve these European horses.

“We’ve seen it for a lot of years now, it started with the great Colin Hayes, TJ Smith, Bart Cummings.

“These horses just go to a new level in a new environment, trained differently and trained more open-mindedly that they are anywhere else in the world.”





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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

LOL  Look he could well be right, i do not believe so but I am not infallible. 


quote " but I'm not infallible " . LOLLOLLOL I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why my post was derogatory about a horse that was -53 of a sec. outside Might and Powers race record in the Doomben Cup.Wink

What I said was derogatory was your comment that the other race over the same distance was it was only Oaks fillies.... 




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That was that they may not be Guaranteed Oaks fillies after the race , the winner has a rating of 77 , 2nd 88 , 3rd 85 , there really was not a standout and next week you can bet your life there'll be a diferrent winner with Waller saddling up about 8 runners. Wink
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

LOL  Look he could well be right, i do not believe so but I am not infallible. 


quote " but I'm not infallible " . LOLLOLLOL I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why my post was derogatory about a horse that was -53 of a sec. outside Might and Powers race record in the Doomben Cup.Wink

What I said was derogatory was your comment that the other race over the same distance was it was only Oaks fillies.... 

djebel , I said the were Oaks fillies , you put the word ONLY in to suit your narrative . Wink
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I am determined to get the 2nd last word in.

At the end of the day You and I both agree he is top class.

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C'mon you two, time to kiss and make up.  No open mouth stuff though.  Tongue Shocked
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I am waiting for England to wake up this AM and see Matt Chapman go off his rocker. 




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Did the job today to collect a nice juicy prize money cheque.

Presuming the Cox plate will be the main aim in the Spring, look forward to seeing his pathway there.

I’d pencil in another 5 start prep - Chelmsford, George Main, Turnbull, Cox Plate, Mackinnon.
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Surely he needs to run lengths better to win a CP than he ran today? He beat nothing by a small margin.

The problem is we have no weight for age stars unless some 3 year olds step up.

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Originally posted by Red Rancher Red Rancher wrote:

Surely he needs to run lengths better to win a CP than he ran today? He beat nothing by a small margin.

The problem is we have no weight for age stars unless some 3 year olds step up.


Plus the internationals who usually come. Let's see who travels here. Should be an interesting Cox Plate.
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Originally posted by Red Rancher Red Rancher wrote:

Surely he needs to run lengths better to win a CP than he ran today? He beat nothing by a small margin.

The problem is we have no weight for age stars unless some 3 year olds step up.


Multiple G1 winners were behind him, including two who have won G1 races this calendar year, what more do you want from this and who else could have run here to make it that much a stronger race? Ok I'll give you Sir Dragonet and perhaps Fifty Stars, but we can't expect Verry Elleegant to run in everything.
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j-mac will have an interesting choice come cox plate day. zaaki vs very elleegant
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He certainly will Shawy , done a mighty job in Qld. that's as far as he wants ( yesterday imo.) definite 1600- 2000 horse to maintain that zip needed .
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