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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

And you can name your own quote about him actually being a First Fleeter.  Big smileWink
I will take you up on that. I tell what I will do. When we catch up in our luncheon I will bring you evidence of Joseph Wright, my forebear, being a convict on the first fleet and you can pay for our entrees and I will pay for the main courses. That seems fair enough. Do they serve lobster tails as entrée  at the restaurant ?
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What would you like for entree sir?

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Sue Lines, (ALP ) has been elected as the new President of the Federal Senate. Lines who is an atheist has decreed the Lord's Prayer will no longer be read each day before the Senate sits. I don't know about you and I am not a Christian, Jew or Muslim but find it strange that Lines is able to do away with a parliamentary tradition going back to federation. Likewise, another long held tradition, if I was a member of the ADF, I would be required to swear allegiance to the Queen , despite the fact I am not a Royalist. I don't know the ALP's intentions there but if the ALP starts tinkering with long held Australian traditions they should be prepared for a bit of kick back from the electorate .

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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

And you can name your own quote about him actually being a First Fleeter.  Big smileWink
I will take you up on that. I tell what I will do. When we catch up in our luncheon I will bring you evidence of Joseph Wright, my forebear, being a convict on the first fleet and you can pay for our entrees and I will pay for the main courses. That seems fair enough. Do they serve lobster tails as entrée  at the restaurant ?

You can have 1000/1 about him only stealing a loaf of bread before importation, as claimed.  But by all means provide some evidence of the bloke.

ps you're still majorly paying for lunch, irrespective .  Big smile
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Sue Lines, (ALP ) has been elected as the new President of the Federal Senate. Lines who is an atheist has decreed the Lord's Prayer will no longer be read each day before the Senate sits. I don't know about you and I am not a Christian, Jew or Muslim but find it strange that Lines is able to do away with a parliamentary tradition going back to federation. Likewise, another long held tradition, if I was a member of the ADF, I would be required to swear allegiance to the Queen , despite the fact I am not a Royalist. I don't know the ALP's intentions there but if the ALP starts tinkering with long held Australian traditions they should be prepared for a bit of kick back from the electorate .




Why it would have ever been there is anyones guess. This is parliament not church. 

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I don't think people will care about a prayer before a senate meeting. At the rate it's going they won't care about prayer at all soon enough.


An increasing number of people are also reporting they are not religious, with the 2021 census showing 38.9 per cent have no religious affiliation.

That figure has increased from 22.3 per cent in 2011 and 30.1 per cent in 2016.
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Sue Lines, (ALP ) has been elected as the new President of the Federal Senate. Lines who is an atheist has decreed the Lord's Prayer will no longer be read each day before the Senate sits. I don't know about you and I am not a Christian, Jew or Muslim but find it strange that Lines is able to do away with a parliamentary tradition going back to federation. Likewise, another long held tradition, if I was a member of the ADF, I would be required to swear allegiance to the Queen , despite the fact I am not a Royalist. I don't know the ALP's intentions there but if the ALP starts tinkering with long held Australian traditions they should be prepared for a bit of kick back from the electorate .


And therein lies the problem with you conservatives.  No matter how antiquated or due to changing customs or no longer necessary, something is, you'll fight tooth and nail to keep it as is, just because that is how it is.

Still, I'm sure Bolter and co of the rightard media will start a campaign about it, should the Lords Prayer be removed.
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Sue Lines, (ALP ) has been elected as the new President of the Federal Senate. Lines who is an atheist has decreed the Lord's Prayer will no longer be read each day before the Senate sits. I don't know about you and I am not a Christian, Jew or Muslim but find it strange that Lines is able to do away with a parliamentary tradition going back to federation. Likewise, another long held tradition, if I was a member of the ADF, I would be required to swear allegiance to the Queen , despite the fact I am not a Royalist. I don't know the ALP's intentions there but if the ALP starts tinkering with long held Australian traditions they should be prepared for a bit of kick back from the electorate .


 I would also refuse to participate in a prayer of any description, if I was elected. Or swear allegiance to a monarch. Parliament is not a church or a royal curtsy. It's a law-making institution. 

 I always find it laughable that people swear on the bible in court cases. If you ain't Christian, it means bugger-all.  

 Better to just threaten them with incarceration for lying, before they give evidence.

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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Sue Lines, (ALP ) has been elected as the new President of the Federal Senate. Lines who is an atheist has decreed the Lord's Prayer will no longer be read each day before the Senate sits. I don't know about you and I am not a Christian, Jew or Muslim but find it strange that Lines is able to do away with a parliamentary tradition going back to federation. Likewise, another long held tradition, if I was a member of the ADF, I would be required to swear allegiance to the Queen , despite the fact I am not a Royalist. I don't know the ALP's intentions there but if the ALP starts tinkering with long held Australian traditions they should be prepared for a bit of kick back from the electorate .

The separation of church and state is not a new thingWink
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Remind me to ask the monarchists the next time they run their GG is head of state, why do our military swear allegiance to the Queen?
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Remind me to ask the monarchists the next time they run their GG is head of state line, why do our military swear allegiance to the Queen?
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Joseph Wright was convicte for stealing 218lbs of lead worth 40 shillings.LOL

https://firstfleetfellowship.org.au/convicts/joseph-wright/
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 obviously, that baker who he stole the bread from, didn't use enough yeast...

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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Joseph Wright was convicted for stealing 218lbs of lead worth 40 shillings.LOL

https://firstfleetfellowship.org.au/convicts/joseph-wright/

Thinks that's about $1,800 in today's money terms.  Joe was no penny-ante crim.  Tongue
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Must have been a slow getaway. No wonder he was caught.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Joseph Wright was convicte for stealing 218lbs of lead worth 40 shillings.LOL

https://firstfleetfellowship.org.au/convicts/joseph-wright/
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Correct, I was attempting to make light of his offence, I knew all along he stole lead. Despite my attempt to downgrade his crime I am still a descendant of him, so it appears SC shouts entrees at our luncheon.
BTW , many of  his first and second generation descendants "acquired" much rural land and became squatters, not that any of my side of the family inherited any of that wealth. I do not know whether any current indigenous have made land claims against that "acquired land "but it is food for thought.
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 talk about a skinflint...

 Bob trying to get out of paying for entrees.

 What happened to all those winning bets?

 

 
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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 talk about a skinflint...

 Bob trying to get out of paying for entrees.

 What happened to all those winning bets?



But SC posted "And you can name your own quote about him actually being a First Fleeter.  Big smileWink". so rather than take those odds, I said he could pay for entrees by proving he was a first fleeter. then SC added "ps you're still majorly paying for lunch, irrespective .  Big smile
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Acknowledge Joe as a First fleeter.  Just need Bob to clearly demonstrate his direct family relationship with this professional thief of yore (eg a 230-odd year family tree) Wink

And if and when he does so I'll most certainly be happy to pay for the Creme Brulee.  Tongue


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SC, I do not know about you, but I eat creme brulee as dessert, not as an entree. Smile
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Ok Bob, if it's entree rather than dessert will be more than happy to pay for your cuisses de grenouilles. Smile


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Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Sue Lines, (ALP ) has been elected as the new President of the Federal Senate. Lines who is an atheist has decreed the Lord's Prayer will no longer be read each day before the Senate sits. I don't know about you and I am not a Christian, Jew or Muslim but find it strange that Lines is able to do away with a parliamentary tradition going back to federation. Likewise, another long held tradition, if I was a member of the ADF, I would be required to swear allegiance to the Queen , despite the fact I am not a Royalist. I don't know the ALP's intentions there but if the ALP starts tinkering with long held Australian traditions they should be prepared for a bit of kick back from the electorate .


Why it would have ever been there is anyones guess. This is parliament not church. 

As it  is "a parliament not a church"  Lines abandons the Lord's Prayer but will persist with "the acknowledgement of the country" even though not all of us are indigenous. Identity politics divides Australia.
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Yes.
Ackowledgement to country is getting very wokey, even cringeing.
I much prefer JACINTA PRICES take on things.
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Bob, what is the point of the Lord's Prayer in a parliamentary context?
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At the beginning of each sitting day in the Senate and House of Representatives prayers are read. This is done because these prayers are part of the rules the Standing Orders of the Senate and House. Prayers are not read at the start of a sitting day in the Federation Chamber, the second meeting room of the House. The Federation Chamber is essentially a debating committee, established to be an alternative venue to the Chamber of the House for debate of a restricted range of business.

Senators and members of the House of Representatives are not required to be present or participate in the prayers. There have been several attempts by senators and members of the House of Representatives to change the Standing Orders to replace the prayers with an opportunity for personal prayer or reflection. In voting against this change, some senators and members have argued the prayers at the beginning of each sitting day are a long standing and non-partisan tradition which re-affirms their commitment to the common good of Australia.

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What about the 38% plus Australians who have no religious beliefs?
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I suppose our founding fathers thought the reading of the Lord's Prayer was appropriate "to re-affirm their commitment to the common good of Australia" rather than any alternative in 1901. It has done Australia no harm in those 121 years.
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Does saying a prayer make them less likely to rort or cheat?
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 exactly.

 I wouldn't turn up until after it is read.
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

I suppose our founding fathers thought the reading of the Lord's Prayer was appropriate "to re-affirm their commitment to the common good of Australia" rather than any alternative in 1901. It has done Australia no harm in those 121 years.


Do you think it is time the American Constitution was applied or interpreted as it would have been in 1787 ? 




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