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WINX (AUS)Bay filly 2011 
Street Cry
Bay or brown 1998
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961
Native Dancer
Raise You
1950
1946
5-f
8-f
Gold Digger
Bay 1962
Nashua
Sequence
1952
1946
3-m
13-c
Coup de Folie
Bay 1982
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Cosmah
1958
1953
4-n
2-d
Raise the Standard
Bay 1978
Hoist the Flag
Natalma
1968
1957
5-i
2-d
Helen Street
Bay 1982
Troy
Bay 1976
Petingo
Bay 1965
Petition
Alcazar
1944
1957
16-g
22>
La Milo
Chestnut 1963
Hornbeam
Pin Prick
1953
1955
1-p
1-b
Waterway
Chestnut 1976
Riverman
Bay 1969
Never Bend
River Lady
1960
1963
19-b
10-a
Boulevard
Chestnut 1968
Pall Mall
Costa Sola
1955
1963
7-d
1-l
Vegas Showgirl
Bay 2002
Al Akbar
Bay 1990
Success Express
Bay 1985
Hold Your Peace
Bay 1969
Speak John
Blue Moon
1958
1948
1-l
12-b
Au Printemps
Bay 1979
Dancing Champ
Lorgnette
1972
1964
4-r
17-b
Gala Night
Bay 1984
Blakeney
Bay 1966
Hethersett
Windmill Girl
1959
1961
21-a
20-c
Debutante
Chestnut 1974
Silly Season
Grove Hall
1962
1959
1-g
1-g
Vegas Magic
Bay 1985
Voodoo Rhythm
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Obeah
Bay 1965
Cyane
Book of Verse
1959
1956
16-b
2-f
Vegas Street
Grey 1976
Sovereign Edition
Grey 1962
Sovereign Path
Latest Edition
1956
1951
4-l
13-a
Vegas
Brown 1969
Stunning
Gay Abandon
1955
1945
1-w
5-b
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Weight Duplication 
 Ajax15 8m,9m,10m,10m,10m,10m x 10m,10m,10m,10f,10m 
 Almahmoud50 6f,6f x 9f,6f 
 Alope4 9m x 9f 
 Apelle5 10f x 9f,9f 
 Asterus4 9f x 9m 
 Bachelor's Double3 10f x 10f,10f 
 Bahram6 9m x 8m 
 Banish Fear16 7m,8f x 8f 
 Banshee4 10f,10f x 10f,10f 
 Bathing Girl3 10f x 9f 
 Bay Ronald13 9f,10f,10m,10m,9m x 10m,10m,10m,10m,10m,10m 
 Bayardo24 10m,10m,9m,10m,8m,10f x 9m,10m,9m,10m,10m,9m,10m,9m,9m 
 Ben Brush3 10m,10m,10m x 
 Bend Or2 10f x 10f 
 Black Toney10 10f,10m,10m,10m,9m x 9m,9m 
 Blandford32 9m,9m,9m,9m,10m,10m,10m,9m,9f,10m x 10m,9m,10m,10m,9m,9m,10m,9m,8m 
 Blenheim40 8f,10f,8m,8m,8m,9f,9m,10f,8f x 9m,10f,8m,10f,9f,8m 
 Blue Larkspur27 8f,8m,8f,9f,9f x 9f,7f,10f 
 Bois Roussel10 8f x 9f,8m 
 Bona Vista2 x 10f,10m 
 Bridge of Earn5 10f,10f x 9f,10f 
 Bromus17 10m,10m,9m,9m,10m,10m,10m,10m x 10m,9m,10m,10m,9m 
 Broomstick7 10m,9m,10m,10f,10f x 10f 
 Bruleur5 10m x 10m,10m,9f 
 Bull Dog15 7f x 10m,9f,8f 
 Canterbury Pilgrim17 10m,10m,10m,9m,10m x 10m,10m,10m,10m,10m,10m,10m,10m,10m,10m,10m 
 Carbine5 10m,9f x 10m,10f 
 Case Ace20 6f x 8f 
 Challenger8 x 8f,8f 
 Chanteur16 7m x 7f 
 Chaucer29 10f,10f,9f,9f,10f,10f,8f,10f,10f,10f x 9f,9f,10f,9f,9f,10f,9f,9f 
 Cleopatra2 10m x 10f 
 Commando4 9m x 10m,10m 
 Coronach4 x 9f,9f 
 Count Fleet32 6f,8f x 8f,7m 
 Craig An Eran6 9m x 9f,9m 
 Cyllene11 10m,10m,10m,10m x 10m,10m,10m,10m,10m,9m 
 Dark Ronald9 9m,10m,10m x 10m,9m,10m,10m 
 Desmond4 9m x 10f,10m 
 Disguise2 10f,10m x 
 Djebel12 8m x 7m 
 Domino3 10m,10f x 10f 
 Donatello24 7m,8f x 8f,7f 
 Double Life4 9m x 9m 
 Durbar6 10f,10f,10f x 10f,10f,10f 
 Fair Play16 9m,9m,10f,10m,10m,9m,10m,10m,10m x 10m,10m,10m,10m 
 Fair Trial24 6m,7m x 
 Fairway24 7m,8m x 8f,7m 
 Fairy Gold6 10m,10m,10m x 9m,10m 
 Flambette4 9f x 9f 
 Friar Marcus7 9m x 10f,8f 
 Gainsborough50 10m,9f,9f,8m,9m,7m,10m,10m,10m x 8m,8m,9m,9m,8m,9f,10m,10m,8m,8m 
 Gallinule6 10f,10f x 10f,10f,10f,10f 
 Galopin2 10f,10m x 
 Gay Crusader5 10f,10f x 10f,9f 
 Gondolette11 10f,9f,9m x 10f,10f,10f,10m,10f,10f 
 Grand Parade5 9f x 10f,9f 
 Hamburg2 10f x 10f 
 Hamoaze2 10m,10m x 
 Hampton3 10m,10m x 10f 
 Helicon2 10f x 10f 
 Herodias10 9f,10f x 10f,8m,9m 
 High Time5 10f x 8f 
 Honora6 10f,9f x 9f,10f 
 Hornbeam48 5f x 6f 
 Hurry On7 10m x 10m,9m,10m,9f 
 Hyperion53 8f,6m x 10f,7m,7m,7f,7m 
 Ksar9 9m,10m,10f x 9m,9m,10m 
 La Troienne6 9m x 8f 
 Lady Comfey5 8m,10f x 
 Lady Josephine16 9f,10f,10f,8f,10f,10f,9f,9f x 10f,10f 
 Lady Juror14 7m,9m,8m x 
 Lavendula12 8f x 8f,8f 
 Lemberg3 10f,10f x 10f 
 Loved One3 10f,10f x 10f 
 Malva24 9m,9m,9m,9m,10m,10m,9m x 10m,9m,9m,10m,9m,8m 
 Man o' War17 8m,9f,10f,8m,9f x 9f,9f 
 Marchetta5 10f,9f x 10f,10f 
 Menow14 x 9f,8m,7m 
 Mirawala4 9m x 9f 
 Mumtaz Begum32 7m,9f,8m,9f,7m x 9m,9f,8m 
 Mumtaz Mahal22 8f,10f,9f,9f,9f,10f,8f x 10f,9f,10f,9f 
 Myrobella6 x 8m,9f 
 Nasrullah52 6m,7f,6m x 8f,7m 
 Natalma68 5f x 8m,5m 
 Native Dancer66 5m,6f x 9f,6f 
 Nearco80 7m,8m,7f,8m,8m,7m,7f x 9m,8f,9m,8f,6m,8m,8m 
 Neil Gow3 10f,10f x 10f 
 North Star6 10f,10f,10f x 9f,10f 
 Northern Dancer72 x 7m,4m 
 Padula7 9f,10m,10m,10m x 9m 
 Papyrus5 10f,9f x 9f 
 Pennant4 10f x 9f,10m 
 Persimmon3 10m,10f x 10f 
 Peter Pan6 10m x 10m,10m,9f,10m 
 Phalaris51 9m,9m,10m,10m,8m,10m,8m,9m,10m,10m,10m,9m,9m,10f,9m,10f x 10m,10m,10m,9m,10f,10f,8m,10m,10m,10m,10f,9m,10m,8m,10m 
 Pharamond15 7m x 10m,9m,8m 
 Pharos49 8m,9m,9f,10m,10m,8m,9m,9m,8m,8m x 10m,9m,10m,9m,10m,7m,9m,9f,9m,9f 
 Pilate12 x 7m,8m 
 Plucky Liege25 10m,8m,9m,9m,10m,9m,9m x 9m,10m,10m,10m,9m,9m,9m 
 Polymelus27 10m,9m,10m,9m,10m,9m,10m,10m,10m,10f,10m x 10m,9m,10m,9f,10m,9m,8m 
 Prince John32 6f x 6m 
 Prince Palatine6 9f,10f,10m x 10m,10f 
 Princequillo18 9f,7m x 7m 
 Rabelais8 10m,10m,10m,9m,10m x 9m 
 Robert le Diable2 x 10m,10f 
 Rock Sand9 10f,10f,10f,10f,10m x 9m,10m,10m 
 Roi Herode11 10f,9f,10m,10m,10m,10m x 10m,10f,9m 
 Roman12 8f,7f x 
 Royal Charger24 7m,7f x 7m 
 Sainfoin5 10f,10f x 10m,10f,10f 
 Sansovino6 8f x 9f 
 Sardanapale7 8f x 10f,10m,10m 
 Scapa Flow34 9m,10m,10m,8m,9m,10m,10m,9m,9m,9m x 10m,10m,8m,10m,10m,9m,10m,8m,10m 
 Selene37 9m,8m,10m,9m,7m x 10m,8m,8m,9m,8m,10m,8m 
 Sickle9 8m,10f,9m x 9m 
 Silver Fowl3 10f x 9f 
 Sir Gallahad18 9f,8f,9m,8m x 8f,9f 
 Snoot3 9f x 10m 
 Solario17 9f,9f,9m,9f x 10f,8m,9f,9f 
 Son-In-Law18 8f,10f,9m,9f x 8m,9f,9m,10m 
 Spearmint21 10f,9f,10f,10f,10m,10m,10m,10f,10f,10f,10f,10f x 10f,10f,10f,9f,10m,10f,10f 
 St Frusquin11 10f,10f,10f,9f x 10f,10f,10f,10f,10f,10f 
 St Simon18 10f,10m,10m,10m,10m,9m,10m x 10m,10m,10m,10m,10m,10f,10m,10m,10m,10m 
 Stefan the Great9 9f,10f,10f,9f x 10f,10f,10f 
 Summer Girl2 10m x 10f 
 Sun Briar3 10m,10f x 10f 
 Sunbridge5 x 10f,8f 
 Sundridge16 10f,10f,9m,9f,10f,10f x 10f,10m,10m,10m,9m,9f 
 Sunshot3 10f x 9f 
 Sunstar14 10m,10m,10f x 10m,10m,10m,9m,9f,8f 
 Sweep6 9f,9f,10f x 10f 
 Sweeper3 9f x 10f 
 Swynford31 10m,10f,10m,10m,10m,10m,9f,10m,10m,9m,10m x 9f,9m,9m,10m,10m,9f,10m,10f,10m,10m,10m,9m,10f 
 Tarporley2 10f x 10f 
 Teddy36 7m,10m,8m,9m,10m,10m,10f,9m,9m,9f x 10m,9m,10m,10m,10f,9m,9f,9m 
 Tetratema19 9f,8f x 9f,10f,9m,7m 
 The Tetrarch28 9f,10m,10f,10f,10f,10f,10m,9f,9m,10m,9f x 9f,10f,10m,10m,10m,10f,10f,10m,8m 
 Tom Fool24 x 7f,6m 
 Tourbillon16 8f,9m x 8m,8m,9m 
 Tracery6 9f,10m x 10m,9m 
 Turn-To32 6m x 6m 
 Ultimus9 8f,10f x 9m,10m,10f 
 Whisk Broom8 9m,8f,10m x 10m 
 White Eagle4 10f x 10f,10f,10f 
 William the Third4 x 9f,9m 
 Windsor Lad6 x 9f,8




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Gay said next stop for her the breeding forum so here we are starting one. 

Winx back in the paddock

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Gelding, Kaiwah and his new mate Winx happily sharing a feed tub in a paddock at Hermitage Thoroughbreds at The Oaks. Photo: Virginia Harvey

Gelding, Kaiwah and his new mate Winx happily sharing a feed tub in a paddock at Hermitage Thoroughbreds at 'The Oaks'. Photo: Virginia Harvey


WHILE researching a recent story of a silage donation - homegrown and produced from Hermitage Thoroughbreds at "The Oaks" - The Land's Thoroughbred correspondent, Virginia Harvey, was happily confronted with a wonderful site of mighty mare Winx leisurely grazing in a paddock with her new "mate" the gelding Kiawah.

Being a long-time Thoroughbred lover, it was also such a bonus for me to see her looking so happy and contented that day after bringing such joy to her owners, connections and millions of fans not only around Australia but across the globe.

For a horse that has not seen the stars since a three-year-old, and not had any "free" horse-touching time, it was heart-warming to see her in a relaxed paddock atmosphere.

Taking it in her stride, she was freely mingling with her new found friend sharing the same paddock, this being a whole new way of life for the $26 million earning racemare.

According to Olly Koolman, racing manager of Hermitage Thoroughbreds, it was only the second day Winx and Kiawah had been in the paddock together.

"He (Kiawah) is very laid back and plays as nanny sometimes to our young horses," said Olly.

When training at Rosehill, Olly had prepared the now 18-year-old Desert King gelding who won four races and had 10 placings for $103,240.

Olly and I could see Winx happily mooching around with Kiawah, being totally relaxed, grazing, and reverting to the natural horse habits of nuzzling and mutual grooming normally displayed by contented horses.

They had obviously come to some "horsey arrangement" that only the pair could understand.

"My observation of seeing her siding up to Kiawah while eating and sharing the same feed bin at the same time, indicates to me that she will ably take on her new role of being a mother," said Olly.

"She has fondly taken to Kiawah very quickly."

This is just a taste of reality for the seven-year-old mare, the owners yet to decide and announce which stallion she will visit this year for her maiden season at stud.

Meanwhile, the Australian Turf Club announced this week that Winx will be permanently immortalised at Randwick Racecourse with a new public spectator facility to be built and named in honour of the mighty mare.

To be erected alongside the Queen Elizabeth Stand on Randwick's Leger Lawn, the stand is to cater for 5000 spectators, and is hoped to be opened for the running of The Everest in October 2020.




Edited by Gay3 - 16 May 2019 at 6:50pm
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Racing NSW mag has a wonderful tribute to her this month. Great photo front cover of the mare and Chris and Hugh with the crowd at back .. several pages dedicated to her in her racing career, so more to come from the breeding side in good time.
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Saw a tweet suggesting they were not going to breed from her this year.

I hope that is not true.






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Rumour going around regarding an irregularity, hope that’s not true ether.
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LOL^^  LOL     She didnt really look mannish tho, unlike Nellie and Sunline.  They could have passed for the Caster of the horse world.   Winx looked like a lady should.
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The Winx Ownership Group are pleased to announce that Winx will be visiting “Pierro” for this year’s 2021 breeding season.
Winx has been given a full year to recover from her ordeal and we are pleased to report that the mare has returned in great condition. She has been enjoying life on the farm with some friends while she is preparing to go back to the breeding barn this Spring.
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I am pleased she had the time off, shame it wasn't given to her after she raced to let her body get back to normal.
I saw her picture the other day and she looks beautiful.
I hope she has good pregnancy this time and sure her foal will be a stunner with this mating.
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The old girl looks a treat, hopefully she has a smooth pregnancy 
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Now I'm no expert but I like the sound of Pierro/Winx much much more than sending her to one of those 5-6f horses that dominate the sires list. Pierro/Winx could be anything - QE, Cox, Doncaster, Arc, whatever. An I am Invincible doesn't have that type of possibility.
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I'm with you Tlaz, with wonderful depth & balance in the 6/7 & 8 gens, particularly liking his 4 x Lalun adding to her own instance Thumbs Up
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Also a lot of 9c family in Winx especially via Street cry, which will hopefully mix well with Eight Carat.
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Interestingly, Street Cry's two best daughters Winx and Zenyatta both have a line to the quality mare Mrs. Peterkin, by Tom Fool.

Among the rest of Street Cry's best runners, a few names keep popping up over and over -- notably Roberto, Never Bend, and Delta Judge.  Delta Judge is a grandson of Delta Queen (Bull Lea / Bleebok, by Blue Larkspur), who is a sister to Roberto's 2nd dam Rarelea.  Bloodroot, dam of Lalun and 2nd dam of Never Bend, is out of a daughter of Blue Larkspur and her sire is a close relation. 

Machiavellian, sire of Street Cry and rather different from either Mr Prospector's other sons or the rest of the Almahmoud clan, is out of a mare by Halo who has two crosses to Blue Larkspur via Banish Fear and Blue Swords.  Helen Street, his dam, is out of a mare by Riverman who has more Blue Larkspur via Banish Fear again and Bloodroot.  Riverman's dam Nile Lily is a genetic sibling to Roman, sire of Hail to Reason's 2nd dam.  Although Street Cry is free of Tom Fool, Tom Fool's dam Gaga is herself a genetic sibling to Roman and his sire Menow is one of the best packaged sources of Domino available.

So, about Winx....her broodmare sire Al Akbar is by Success Express, who brings in two crosses to Blue Larkspur via Banish Fear and Blue Grail and a line to Tom Fool via Silly Season.  Al Akbar' dam's sire Dancing Champ brings in more Blue Larkspur via Nijinsky and two crosses to Tom Fool.  His 3rd dam is by the obscure Hook Money, who is out of a genetic sibling to Blue Larkspur.  

For Octagonal, Lonhro, and Pierro...Zabeel has Sir Ivor, a source of Alcibiades that does well with lots of Tom Fool, and Eight Carat's grandsire Relic is out of a mare who is a 3/4 sister to Blue Larkspur (this loads up on Domino/Mannie Gray, by the way, I've discussed that elsewhere).  Lonhro and Street Cry is an emerging nick -- unsurprising given the above.  Pierro brings in all of that and is just loaded with Bloodroot, has Hail to Reason through Roberto and Bold Reason, has more Blue Larkspur and Tom Fool via Buckpasser, and bonus Caro (who carries Relic) via Daylami.

Long story short -- pedigree-wise, there's a lot to like.  Performance-wise, this is a pair of very tough, sound racehorses and that's always a good sign.  Hopefully they get a healthy mare and healthy foal this time around.
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Agree km. But just on your last paragraph, what I would have been even more excited about would have been a visit to lonhro in his prime as he had such a long career like Winx. That is something we aren't entirely sure about whether pierro would have copied with a longer career. 
 
Also I do rate lonhro as a better horse than pierro, as far as acceleration goes anyway.
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I'm surprised that Winx's crew didn't go to Lonhro straight away, instead of sending her to IAI.  By then, Lyre had won the Blue Diamond and Osmond Bulls was earning far more money as a bridesmaid to Gr-1 horses than most of us will make in a year.  Plus there's this obscure little horse bouncing around the central Waikato who's bred on a very similar cross.  I'm trying to remember his name...what is it...oh yeah, Savabeel, that guy who only won a Cox plate and has been champion sire in NZ since his dear old dad retired.  

Re: acceleration, I would argue that Lonhro had the stamina to outrun the speed in his pedigree (Eight Carat, Straight Strike), whereas Pierro had the speed to outrun the stamina in his pedigree (Zabeel, his entire female family).  A very speedy horse can usually accelerate better than a longer-winded type who has a very high cruising speed.
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KM, I'm a big fan of the savabeels and didn't even think of the cross of Zabeel/Success Express. 

I love your argument regarding the outrunning speed or stamina in pedigrees. Well put.

I think I'd still go with Lonhro over a mile as having more acceleration and speed. And I'd probably go for him at5 2000m as well. Shame we didn't see Pierro for another 12-18 months as we would have all had a better idea of how they compared.


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I love to watch the Savabeels also (but I like to see the Todman/Noholme connection into the mare).  Easy for him to find the todman blood in mares with Centaine and Imposing in NZ.

Lonhro is more of the fine type of build like Winx.  While I am Imposing is a bulkier build.  Maybe they were looking to bulk up the resulting progeny?  I don't pretend to read peoples minds.  Both pedigrees read well on paper.
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