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Needs Further will
relocate from Tasmania's Armidale Stud to Aquis' Victorian base for the 2020
season in a move which is set to pave the way for greater opportunities for the
stallion. The son of Encosta De
Lago has almost single-handedly re-invigorated the Tasmanian breeding industry
in his seven seasons at Armidale Stud, producing the star filly Mystic Journey,
who was able to win both the G1 Australian Guineas and the inaugural All-Star
Mile in 2019. He has produced five
stakes winners in total, with Mystic Journey joined by Deroche, Bold
Star, Mystical Pursuit and Pateena Arena.
Among his 52 winners to date are the champion 2-year-olds in Tasmania the past
three seasons. Aquis CEO Tony
Williams said Needs Further was a perfect fit for Aquis' Victorian operation,
where he will stand alongside Lean Mean Machine, who debuted at the
Seymour property last season. "I couldn't be
more delighted to have a son of Encosta De Lago like Needs Further coming to
Victoria. To be working with Armidale Stud, who have had generations in the
business and are so well-respected, is a feather in the cap for Aquis,"
Williams told TDN AusNZ. "The job Needs
Further has done in Tasmania is quite remarkable and to have a filly like
Mystic Journey to be a Classic winning 3-year-old and win the inaugural
All-Star Mile is a great achievement for a young stallion. "The job Needs Further has done in Tasmania is quite
remarkable." - Tony Williams "His statistics
are exceptional. Armidale have done a great job with him in Tassie and I think
it’s a great opportunity for him to relocate to Victoria." Off the back of Mystic
Journey's success, Needs Further served a book of 103 mares last season, but
the partners in the horse, including Armidale Stud itself, received interest
from interstate and recognised that better opportunities might present
themselves on the mainland. Mystic Journey "We have had
quite a lot of interest from mainland studs for the past 18 months. We’ve had
some pressure from within the ownership group to move him. It seems like the
obvious thing is to move him to Victoria to get access to better quality
mares," Armidale Stud Managing Director, David Whishaw, told TDN AusNZ. "Aquis first
approached us in March 2019, and it got more serious from March onwards this
year and we’ve been able to bed something down. "It seems like the obvious thing is to move him to Victoria
to get access to better quality mares." - David Whishaw "I think it’s a
wonderful opportunity for him, He's done an outstanding job with limited books
of mares down here. He does deserve a chance at getting a big commercial book
of mares. Shifting to Victoria allows him to do that." Bred by Gooree Stud,
Needs Further was trained by Gai Waterhouse and won the G3 ATC Carbine Club S.
He is out of Crowned Glory (Danehill {USA}), who was a Group 3
winner and placed in a G1 Golden Slipper S. She also produced the multiple
Group 1 winner and now Twin Hills Stud stallion Hallowed Crown, who
is by Street nse (USA). Encosta connection to resonate in Victoria Williams said with an
exceptional pedigree, it was little wonder Needs Further had made such an
impression at stud and he expected that as a son of Encosta De Lago, who built
his substantial reputation in Victoria before relocating to the Hunter Valley,
he would resonate very strongly with Victorian breeders. "He's a very good
horse. He's got an unbelievably good stallion's pedigree. He throws a
substantial foal and yearling and he will be supported well and suit the
Victorian market," he said. "He throws a substantial foal and yearling and he will be
supported well and suit the Victorian market." - Tony Williams "Encosta De Lago
made his name in Victoria before going to New South Wales. Encosta is a great
influence in Victoria and this horse can certainly complement his sire there. "He's also out of
a Danehill mare who ran second in a Golden Slipper. Danehill has been a
breed-shaper. He is exactly the type of stallion that Aquis needs in Victoria
and we look forward to doing the partners and shareholders proud. I am really
excited about him going there." Needs Further stays at
the same price point he occupied in the 2019 season in Tasmania ($13,750), with the deal
on a season-by-season basis. Armidale enters a new era While his departure is
somewhat bittersweet for the Whishaw family, David Whishaw sees the move as
making perfect commercial sense. "He covered more
interstate mares last year than he did Tassie mares. I think that was one of
the compelling reasons. He is appealing now to the mainland more than the local
market," he said. "He really should
suit the Super VOBIS scheme very well. He's a very versatile sire, he's thrown
3-year-old classic horses, he's thrown the horses that look like they will get
out over a trip as well as sprinters. |
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any word from across the water on bookings etc ? Cheers Slowdown
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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.
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linghi11
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I see his half brother has also shifted studs and is standing for a slightly more affordable fee on the back of siring an Oaks winner
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to the victor
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I took a bit of time to work through h.c. winning progeny. Many are well performed winners- not just winners. ThInk at eleven he would be decent value
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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.
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Gay3
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From the AQIS Relocation thread:
Needs Further has returned to his initial home at Armidale Stud in Tasmania while shareholders in the Group 1-producing stallion assess their options ahead of the next breeding season. Before
shareholders elected to send Needs Further to Victoria last year, there
had been interest from stallion farms in the Hunter Valley and
Queensland, as well as South Australia, and some of those options are
believed to remain on the table. Coincidentally this fella has just won his Maiden at Benalla & could be quite smart. Only 18k bought him & failed xrays for Hong Kong.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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acacia alba
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Me neither. WTF does duck feet mean ??? Been around for many years and never heard that term. So as Poorline says. Pleeze Explain.
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animals before people.
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acacia alba
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But what exactly is that pic showing ??? A horse standing in straw on a hard surface , in a race day stall ??? So what if he favours a foot on and off ??? Most do. I have ask lots of old hands what duck feet are, and none of them know the term. Must be a modern term , but what does it mean ???
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animals before people.
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Gay3
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Ducks have webbed feet i.e. good swimmers. The quote may've come from someone who thought he had large feet at the time which could be attributed to well overdue for a reshoeing or the farrier may've allowed considerable flaring, not at all uncommon these days
They look fine in that photo, fwiw. |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Second Chance
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I thought duck feet occurred when one part of the hoof grew quicker than other parts. For example if the toe grew too fast it would elongate the hoof which would as a necessity mean the heel was low. Here's a terrible example.
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Second Chance
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ps we all know that Ned is turned out a la Charlie Chaplin which could be what some people refer to as duck footed.
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It's more than terrible , it's utter neglect imo.
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acacia alba
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Maybe thats it, SC. Altho when we saw him I wouldnt have said he was badly turned out. Look hard and you may pick it up, but it appeared very minimal to us. That foot in that pic is shamefull.
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animals before people.
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That is my photo of 'Ducky', as I called Needs Further', back in his racing day. He had very pronounced duck-feet which were an asset in the wet. I'm so pleased he has progressed as a sire. Heaven knows how my personal photo ended up on photobucket. Perhaps I should charge a fee for using it. |
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Desert War, Rain Lover, Latin Knight, Hay List, Mustard...my turf heroes...
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Duck-feet means that they turn slightly outward when walking...or standing still. Some duck-footers straighten up while galloping, though. I was the one who dubbed him 'Ducky' because his feet pointed out. Gai hated nicknames for her horses, but we just ignored that directive. |
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Desert War, Rain Lover, Latin Knight, Hay List, Mustard...my turf heroes...
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and hey presto . here is the result in the pink. sh'bourne de lago. trial number 6. |
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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.
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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.
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