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A really memorable Cup & just great to see a local victory.

It’s a satisfying result because V&D is a horse we’ve all seen work his way through the grades here, from a 2381m maiden at The Bool just over a year ago, though to the Qld winter carnival & now the pinnacle of the Melb Cup.

Well done Danny and well done V&D 👏👏
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A great win. He fought on so well, has a real bit of mongrel in him. Williams rode him so well, didn't panic when Frankie took a leaf out of the Miracle Mal playbook on Master Of Reality.

A great result.
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What a star this horse is. Just a consummate professional and all he knows is to stay!

Amazing initiative and courage from Craig, and phenomenal training performance from O'Brien.

How on earth did he trade at such value for so much of the pre post and final field betting? Some bookie offered $17 promo today I'm told?
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

That’s one in 10 years. I’m delighted for O’Brien but the fact that this is seen as some sort of triumph is kinda sad.


 Why is it sad ?  That a complete Aussie beats the world that brought their best to take us on , and the small fry showed them a clean pair of heels .
If you find it sad an Ozz took on the world and won, I think you might be a bit sad. 
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Ahhhhh   Well ...     Just another day at the Office for Australia's best Jockey.

He's probably thinking more about a Maiden at Moe tomorrow .
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

That’s one in 10 years. I’m delighted for O’Brien but the fact that this is seen as some sort of triumph is kinda sad.


V&D shows why Australians aren't that interested in breeding V&Ds. Uneconomic to breed - passed in at 45k- and uneconomic to buy - very few races it can win, and even if it was an entire worth nothing after racing.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

That’s one in 10 years. I’m delighted for O’Brien but the fact that this is seen as some sort of triumph is kinda sad.


V&D shows why Australians aren't that interested in breeding V&Ds. Uneconomic to breed - passed in at 45k- and uneconomic to buy - very few races it can win, and even if it was an entire worth nothing after racing.

Disagree with this. What exactly is uneconomical to buy? He would have cost peanuts if someone paid the reserve, and he was placing in G1s and winning stakes races by the end of his 3yo year.

I think people who don't breed and/or race horses have a perception that most horses race at two or at least by early three. The reality is very, very few race at two, and most are racing well into their 3yo year.

He is proof that when you get a good one that can stay, you open yourself up to a multitude of great prizemoney races. If you can make the ever-shrinking step to WFA, you strike gold. Samadoubt was a WFA horse this prep. Let that sink in - as good as he is and no disrespect to him whatsoever.

There are very few 2yo races to win, and they are often highly competitive. You put all your eggs in that basket and you potentially end up with a horse without the scope to improve and progress beyond two.
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Vow And Declare (AUS)

Sire: Declaration Of War (USA)

Dam: Geblitzt (AUS)

Career Record: 13 starts: 4-3-2

Prize Money: $5,722,690

Major Wins

2019 Group 1 Melbourne Cup (3200m hcp)

2019 Listed Tattersalls Cup (3000m sw)

2018 Listed Connessiuer Stakes (1800m swp)

Best Minor Performances

2nd: 2019 Group 1 Caulfield Cup (2400m hcp)

2nd: 2019 Group 1 QLD Derby (2400m sw)

4th: 2019 Group 1 Turnbull Stakes (2000m swp)
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

That’s one in 10 years. I’m delighted for O’Brien but the fact that this is seen as some sort of triumph is kinda sad.


V&D shows why Australians aren't that interested in breeding V&Ds. Uneconomic to breed - passed in at 45k- and uneconomic to buy - very few races it can win, and even if it was an entire worth nothing after racing.

Disagree with this. What exactly is uneconomical to buy? He would have cost peanuts if someone paid the reserve, and he was placing in G1s and winning stakes races by the end of his 3yo year.

I think people who don't breed and/or race horses have a perception that most horses race at two or at least by early three. The reality is very, very few race at two, and most are racing well into their 3yo year.

He is proof that when you get a good one that can stay, you open yourself up to a multitude of great prizemoney races. If you can make the ever-shrinking step to WFA, you strike gold. Samadoubt was a WFA horse this prep. Let that sink in - as good as he is and no disrespect to him whatsoever.

There are very few 2yo races to win, and they are often highly competitive. You put all your eggs in that basket and you potentially end up with a horse without the scope to improve and progress beyond two.
Agree with you Sunny.

The balance of imports v exports is a fair indicator of market viability. The local buying bench is far too compromised by false bidders, debt traders, syndicators and their like.

Mind you, if a trainers are savvy enough to know when a horse is better suited to a late 3yo debut, do they need to charge the same rate for the first year of racing eligibility?
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117 rating (by Timeform UK) for Cup win. Lets see what assessment Timeform Australia gives for Cup win.
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Was listening to SEN yesterday, Danny O'Brien was on talking about Vow and Declare and a few others.

He said that due to how their training setup works they don't need to race V&D in unsuitable 1400 or 1600 races and they would never race him below 2000, he'll likely go Aus Cup, QE2 and the 2200m race on Stradbroke day this prep and repeat last springs prep this prep.

Danny should expect djebel to be his #1 fan now.
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It's funny you should say that because he is growing on me.

What I do not understand is what his BOOM 3yo Russian Camelot is doing in the 1400m race at Flemington on Saturday ?

And are they still dreaming of the English Derby with him ? 




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How long before Olillie takes the ride on this horse?
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Interesting to read that Danny O’Brien is considering aiming V&D at the Andrew Ramsden Stks next month.

With Qld campaign plans now scotched by border restrictions, this race does fit well for the horse. 2800m WFA at Flemington should be right in his wheelhouse.
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To give him the fitness foundation he had going into last spring he needs two more runs at 2400m+.

How does the Warnmabool Cup fit in with this program, could he run in both?
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Should be winning today at Flemington in the 2600m open handicap race. Has 61kg.
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Maybe.

I personally think Haky is well placed here! Did not run the 3200m at Sandown and so forget that and di not handle the derby day slow (night not have backed up and was second up from the break), but his Geelong Cup effort is absolutely good enough to win here and he drops half a kilo due to the cup winner being here.

Well weighted, the distance is right in his wheel house, and can sit forward and goes well second up, when right.

I think the double figures on offer is good value!
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I agree with that, Voyager. Haky is my top-rater as well.

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Well done you two.  Clap
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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

Maybe.

I personally think Haky is well placed here! Did not run the 3200m at Sandown and so forget that and di not handle the derby day slow (night not have backed up and was second up from the break), but his Geelong Cup effort is absolutely good enough to win here and he drops half a kilo due to the cup winner being here.

Well weighted, the distance is right in his wheel house, and can sit forward and goes well second up, when right.

I think the double figures on offer is good value!


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Vow And Declare disappointing
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Originally posted by Grey Affair Grey Affair wrote:

I agree with that, Voyager. Haky is my top-rater as well.


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Weight stops trains
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Voyager & Grey Affair

V&D pretty disappointing that he didn’t pick up in the straight but hopefully still goes to the Ramsden Stks
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Weight stops trains

Not to that extent.

He only had 5 kgs over the limit.






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Thanks guys, yeah the value was there and $12.50 was always worth a shake each way.
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Vow And Declare was disappointing, wasn't good enough - yes he had 61kg but as Djebel said the difference was only 5kg from the top weight (61kg) and the bottom weight (56kg).

Perhaps Timeform was spot on with that Cup win in terms of 117 which was lowest rating for a Melbourne Cup winner since Brew (2000 - 114).
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He is only a little horse though. The weight would’ve made a difference imo
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He was very well treated under the Quality hcp conditions. PRetty average run
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Might be a spring horse
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