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They are so split now. They have been over run by the far right. They are a split party.

They are so divided could they actually split and become two ?

There are some very reasonable a civilised people in the Republican Party but they are being bullied and over run and out shouted by the right wing nut jobs.






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Well, that’s the public perception but
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I’m not sure what Djebel is saying is  the reality 
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There is such a viciousness with these far right dingbats that have infiltrated the party since Sarah Palin was selected as running mate to John McCain giving these lying fools a voice and empowering them to spew their vile nonsense. 

Moderate Republican need to distance themselves from these fools. 




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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

There is such a viciousness with these far right dingbats that have infiltrated the party since Sarah Palin was selected as running mate to John McCain giving these lying fools a voice and empowering them to spew their vile nonsense. 

Moderate Republican need to distance themselves from these fools. 

There is such a viciousness with these far left dingbats as well mate, it didn’t stop them winning the election and it didn’t stop 75 million voting for Trump.

The republicans won’t  have any issues. I suspect the  next 4 years will play out very badly for the Democrats 

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I doubt they will split. As feral as the far right is, Republicans cant survive without them.
   
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The Man Who Broke Politics

Newt Gingrich turned partisan battles into bloodsport, wrecked Congress, and paved the way for Trump’s rise. Now he’s reveling in his achievements.


But few figures in modern history have done more than Gingrich to lay the groundwork for Trump’s rise. During his two decades in Congress, he pioneered a style of partisan combat—replete with name-calling, conspiracy theories, and strategic obstructionism—that poisoned America’s political culture and plunged Washington into permanent dysfunction. Gingrich’s career can perhaps be best understood as a grand exercise in devolution—an effort to strip American politics of the civilizing traits it had developed over time and return it to its most primal essence.
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One memo, titled “Language: A Key Mechanism of Control,” included a list of recommended words to use in describing Democrats: sickpatheticlieanti-flagtraitorsradicalcorrupt.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/

It's all there. All the ugly details of Newt's achievement but a long article.


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Tony Abbott had elements of that, a one trick pony that knew only partisanship.
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Trump Is Blowing Apart the G.O.P. God Bless Him.

There still will be a place for principled Republicans.


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When all the facts come out about the treasonous attack on the U.S. Capitol inspired by President Trump, impeaching him three times won’t feel sufficient. Consider this Washington Post headline from Monday: “Video Shows Capitol Mob Dragging Police Officer Down Stairs. One Rioter Beat the Officer With a Pole Flying the U.S. Flag.”

That said, while I want Trump out — and I don’t mind him being silenced at such a tense time — I’m not sure I want him permanently off Twitter and Facebook. There’s important work that I need Trump to perform in his post-presidency, and I need him to have proper megaphones to do it. It’s to blow apart this Republican Party.

My No. 1 wish for America today is for this Republican Party to fracture, splitting off the principled Republicans from the unprincipled Republicans and Trump cultists. That would be a blessing for America for two reasons.


First, because it could actually end the gridlock in Congress and enable us to do some big things on infrastructure, education and health care that would help ALL Americans — not the least those in Trump’s camp, who are there precisely because they feel ignored, humiliated and left behind.

If just a few principled center-right Republicans, like Mitt Romney and Lisa Murkowski, abandoned this G.O.P. or were simply willing to work with a center-left Biden team, the Problem Solvers Caucus in the House and like-minded members in the Senate — the people who got the recent stimulus bill passed — would become stronger than ever. That’s how we start to dial down the madness coursing through our nation and get us back to seeing each other as fellow citizens, not enemies.

Second, if the principled Republicans split from the Trump cult, the rump pro-Trump G.O.P. would have a very hard time winning a national election anytime soon. And given what we’ve just seen, these Trumpers absolutely cannot be trusted with power again.


Think about what they’ve done. All these Trump-cult lawmakers willingly promoted Trump’s Big Lie. And think how big it was: Trump took the most heroic election in American history — an election in which more Americans voted than ever before, freely and fairly in the midst of a deadly pandemic — and claimed it was all a fraud, because he didn’t win. And then, on the basis of that Big Lie, eight Republican senators and 139 House members voted to nullify Joe Biden’s electoral victory. That is sick.

That is why I hope the party splits. And here is why a still noisy Trump could be so helpful in breaking it.


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What is it that Senators Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz were dreaming of when they went full treason and tried to get Congress to reverse Biden’s win on the basis of the Big Lie? They were dreaming of a world of Trumpism without Trump. They thought that if they cravenly did Trump’s bidding now, once he was gone his base would be theirs.

Hawley and Cruz are so power hungry, they would burn America to the ground if they thought they could be president of its ashes.

But they’re fools. As Trump and his kids made clear at the rally that inspired some of his supporters to ransack the Capitol, the Trumps are interested only in Trumpism with Trumps.


Or as Donald Trump Jr. explained to the soon-to-be rioters (whom Ivanka called “patriots”), the G.O.P. needed a wake-up. All those Republicans in Congress, said Don Jr., “did nothing to stop the steal. This gathering should send a message to them: This isn’t their Republican Party anymore. This is Donald Trump’s Republican Party.”

You tell ’em, Donny. The more you insist on that, the more principled Republicans will have to leave. And since a recent Quinnipiac survey showed that more than 70 percent of Republicans still support Trump, you can be sure he will keep insisting it is his party and keep saying vile things that will constitute daily loyalty tests for all Republican lawmakers, forcing them to answer if they are with him or not. That stress will be enormous.



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It certainly looks like the Chinese century, with this team of sh*t waiting in the wings.
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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Well, that’s the public perception but
Ah, what a surprise.  TBV TDS sufferers expanding their horizons to party politics.LOL  Looks like Australia's health care system can add this to its list of obsessive psychological illnesses.  The most recognizable symptom being the urge to disparage all conservative thinking  people, particularly in the states, but possibly worldwide, while simultaneously glorifying all leftist liberal thinking.  The second primary symptom is the ability to chronically deflect opposition with "a quick question." 
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Dear Shammy, most of the genuine conservative thinking people have left the Trumpublican Party. That is in large part why you got smashed in November by 8 million votes and may, as Donald and Graham warn, never be elected again..

Oh that's right, the election hasn't been resolved yet. Not even a failed coup resolved it. Maybe the 50 state siege promised by the ''conservatives'' next week will resolve it.
   
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don't forget that 70% of republicans are ok with having a mentally unstable ,lying narcissist leading their party.
any republican person, woman, man with a camera or a tv love him
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Watching the impeachment speeches today marble. Any suggestion that there is a rift in the Republican Party, at a congressional level can be safely put to rest. 

Nearly 200 R's standing one after another repeating all the Trump Big Lies of Russia hoax, impeachment hoax, voter fraud hoax, twitter shutdown, Dems saying really mean things as justification for calling a coup. 

One idiot Matt Gaetz even cited Nancy tearing up Trump's State of the Union speech as reason Trump should be angry enough to set his Nazi storm troopers onto the Capitol.
   
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i know - didn't 150 or so support the election hoax bullsh#te.

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Originally posted by Shammy Davis Shammy Davis wrote:

Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Well, that’s the public perception but
Ah, what a surprise.  TBV TDS sufferers expanding their horizons to party politics.LOL  Looks like Australia's health care system can add this to its list of obsessive psychological illnesses.  The most recognizable symptom being the urge to disparage all conservative thinking  people, particularly in the states, but possibly worldwide, while simultaneously glorifying all leftist liberal thinking.  The second primary symptom is the ability to chronically deflect opposition with "a quick question." 

Shammy, is it your paranoia or your private embarrassment of trump that clouds your thinking?
most aussies dont give a rats if you have a democrat or republican government. Donny the outrageous criminal has generated all this interest in yankee politics. It's the best reality show on earth at the moment. I laugh while being horrified at the same time. 
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Fun fact: There are more US troops in Washington to protect Biden's inauguration from Trump supporters than there are in Afghanistan and Iraq to protect US interests from ISIS and Taliban.
   
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Didn't I hear yesterday that it is going to be a "virtual in inauguration"?
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Yes but the Trumpist ''stop the steal'' idiots that bought the lie are still marching on the Capitol as well as 50 state legislatures on inauguration day.

It will just be a gigantic FBI clock and tag the terrorists event.
   
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Originally posted by Shammy Davis Shammy Davis wrote:

Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Well, that’s the public perception but
Ah, what a surprise.  TBV TDS sufferers expanding their horizons to party politics.LOL  Looks like Australia's health care system can add this to its list of obsessive psychological illnesses.  The most recognizable symptom being the urge to disparage all conservative thinking  people, particularly in the states, but possibly worldwide, while simultaneously glorifying all leftist liberal thinking.  The second primary symptom is the ability to chronically deflect opposition with "a quick question." 


Clearly this thread is not about disparaging all conservative thinking just you far right kisssticks. 




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The split you should be looking at djebel is Trumpers and Qanon.

That could get ugly.
   
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Watching the impeachment speeches today marble. Any suggestion that there is a rift in the Republican Party, at a congressional level can be safely put to rest. 

Nearly 200 R's standing one after another repeating all the Trump Big Lies of Russia hoax, impeachment hoax, voter fraud hoax, twitter shutdown, Dems saying really mean things as justification for calling a coup. 

One idiot Matt Gaetz even cited Nancy tearing up Trump's State of the Union speech as reason Trump should be angry enough to set his Nazi storm troopers onto the Capitol.

Are you really watching the impeachment speeches?
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Shammy Davis Shammy Davis wrote:

Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Well, that’s the public perception but
Ah, what a surprise.  TBV TDS sufferers expanding their horizons to party politics.LOL  Looks like Australia's health care system can add this to its list of obsessive psychological illnesses.  The most recognizable symptom being the urge to disparage all conservative thinking  people, particularly in the states, but possibly worldwide, while simultaneously glorifying all leftist liberal thinking.  The second primary symptom is the ability to chronically deflect opposition with "a quick question." 


Clearly this thread is not about disparaging all conservative thinking just you far right kisssticks. 

Well, you got that wrongWink
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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Watching the impeachment speeches today marble. Any suggestion that there is a rift in the Republican Party, at a congressional level can be safely put to rest. 

Nearly 200 R's standing one after another repeating all the Trump Big Lies of Russia hoax, impeachment hoax, voter fraud hoax, twitter shutdown, Dems saying really mean things as justification for calling a coup. 

One idiot Matt Gaetz even cited Nancy tearing up Trump's State of the Union speech as reason Trump should be angry enough to set his Nazi storm troopers onto the Capitol.

Are you really watching the impeachment speeches?

They are over Shrunk. Didn't you hear?

Trump impeached again.
   
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But you sat there and watched it?
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Would that really surprise you Shrunk?
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Of course, I dont wait for my Q alerts to find out what is going on.
   
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