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Schiff is also all over it. Nunes has been very quiet since Schiff named him in his Impeachment Report having been picked up on phone record subpoenas as communicating with Lev and Rudy. His mates in the House were outraged for a hot minute but all have gone quiet.
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

LOL... "vulnerable" Republicans ... the Dems are bleeding representatives even before the Republicans get a vote on anything!

I hope you asked for a "Justice payout" on that bet ...Cry

From one who can no longer stomach his former colleagues and walked.

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This doesn't sound good.Shocked

Public support for Trump conviction at all-time high, poll finds

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Polls aren't very accurate in 2019 I'm told.
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" I solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of ____ ____, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God."


So what do you do when senators flagrantly and shamelessly break their oath of office? What does the genius US Constitution prescribe in such cases?

Rewrite time. Junk it and start again.
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Opinion: Donald Trump has violated his oath. Mitch McConnell is about to violate 2


We Kentuckians know that our word is our bond. Oaths are the most solemn of promises, and their breach results in serious reputational — and sometimes legal — consequences.

President Donald Trump will soon be on trial in the Senate on grounds that he breached one oath. Senate Leader Mitch McConnell is about to breach two.

The Constitution mentions an oath only three times in its main body. The most famous is the oath the president swears upon taking office, set out word for word in Article II. That article is otherwise quite vague and abstract in describing the president’s powers and obligations. Constitutional scholars have debated for 200 years what the “executive power” means, for example.

But the framers of the Constitution thought the specific words of the oath mattered, and every president has sworn to “faithfully execute the Office of the President … and … preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.” (When Chief Justice John Roberts flubbed the words in President Barack Obama’s first inauguration in 2008, they performed a do-over the next day.)

The core of this presidential oath is faithfulness. This promise mirrors the responsibility mentioned later in Article II that the president “shall take care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” These are the only two times in the Constitution that faithfulness is mentioned. It is the central presidential obligation. The opposite of faithfulness? Corruption and abuse of power. And those constitutional sins, of course, are exactly the basis of the House's vote to impeach President Trump and will be the focus of the Senate’s trial.

A second oath in the Constitution is in Article VI, which requires all state and federal officers to swear an “Oath … to support this Constitution.” This was a big deal to the framers. The Constitution was the “supreme law of the Land” and even state officials were henceforth “bound by Oath” to it. Like all U.S. senators, congressional representatives, state governors and judges, and other officials, Sen. Mitch McConnell took this oath when he took office.

The third oath is the rarest. In Article I, the Constitution gives the Senate the “sole” power to “try all impeachments,” and the Constitution requires that “when sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation.” This special oath only kicks in when the Senate tries an impeachment, and this will be only the third time when a president has been so tried. The framers wanted to make sure the Senate would never take such a trial lightly — this oath requirement is over and above the oath each senator has already taken to support the Constitution.

The Constitution does not set out the text of the trial oath, but the Senate rules do. Senators will ‘‘solemnly swear ... that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald J. Trump, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God.’’

The presidential oath and the senatorial oath to be taken before an impeachment trial are kin. The president must act faithfully and without corruption. In those (presumably) rare situations in which the president has failed to be faithful, the Senate is required to be faithful in its adjudication of the case against him.

But we have already seen indications that McConnell has no intention of doing impartial justice. He has said that he does not consider himself an “impartial juror.” He is coordinating strategy with the White House. He has already called the case against the president “thin” and “incoherent.”

Every senator has a constitutional obligation of impartiality. But McConnell’s role as Senate leader makes his obligation even more important and crucial to the constitutional framework. This is not a time for political cynicism or constitutional faithlessness. McConnell’s loyalty to Trump should not overwhelm his loyalty to the Constitution. If he fails in this, he is not only violating his Article I oath but his Article VI oath.

Sen. Charles Schumer, the chamber's Democratic leader, is hitting the correct tone. He has called for the Senate to take its obligations seriously. He has called for the Senate to subpoena the documents Trump is hiding. He wants the trial to allow the time necessary for serious and sober evaluation of the facts. And key witnesses such as Mick Mulvaney and John Bolton should be called to testify.

The GOP line that the whole process is based on hearsay — not even accurate as an evidentiary matter  — could be easily ameliorated by hearing from more people who have direct knowledge of Trump’s mendacity, abuse of power and attempts at cover-ups.

Short of declaring war, the Senate is about to conduct its gravest and most serious constitutional obligation — to exercise the “sole power to try” impeachments. All senators should take their obligation of faithful impartiality seriously, especially McConnell. History is watching, and it will be a harsh judge.

Kent Greenfield, a sixth-generation Kentuckian, is professor of law and Dean’s Distinguished Scholar at Boston College.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/2019/12/26/trump-impeachment-mitch-mcconnell-about-violate-two-oaths/2714462001/


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I am sure PT has posted this already but it is such an astonishing train wreck it is worth another look.

With Giuliani defending Trump there is no need for prosecutors, the guy has lost it big time Clown


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Another one here Whale. ''No actually I didn't ask the Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden''. 5 seconds later ''Of course I asked them to investigate Joe Biden''


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What a nutter.

Don't know why Rudy condescended to try talking to him.
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school is out, we are fortunate to have the presence of Stayer during the day for the next 2 months Ouch
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John Bolton(who wanted no part of Rudy/Sondland's drug deal and said he has a lot to tell) has today put out a statement that he is now willing to give evidence to the Senate in a trial.

Over to you Senator McConell.

 

WASHINGTON — John Bolton, the former national security adviser to President Donald Trump, said Monday he is willing to testify in the Senate impeachment trial if subpoenaed


By Carol E. Lee, Hans Nichols and Kristen Welker

WASHINGTON — John Bolton, the former national security adviser to President Donald Trump, said Monday he is willing to testify in the Senate impeachment trial if subpoenaed.

In a statement posted Monday, Bolton wrote, "I have concluded that, if the Senate issues a subpoena for my testimony, I am prepared to testify."

http://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook-pm/2020/01/06/john-bolton-throws-an-impeachment-curveball-487993

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Nancy is turning the screws on Trump and McConnell.
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Pelosi digs in on impeachment rules fight

BY OLIVIA BEAVERS AND MIKE LILLIS - 01/07/20 08:53 PM EST

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is leaning into her plans to withhold sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate, amplifying her position Tuesday that she won't deliver them until she knows what a trial in the upper chamber will look like.

Pelosi, writing in a letter to her Democratic colleagues, called on Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to promptly unveil the resolution that will lay out the guidelines for the trial centered on President Trump's contacts with Ukraine and whether they warrant his removal from office.

The Democratic leader dug in on her plans to withhold the articles after McConnell announced at a press conference earlier in the day that Republicans "have the votes” to pass a resolution to start the impeachment trial without requiring additional witnesses and key documents.

"It is important that he immediately publish this resolution, so that, as I have said before, we can see the arena in which we will be participating, appoint managers and transmit the articles to the Senate," Pelosi wrote in her letter.

The Democratic leader also continued to hammer McConnell for his earlier remarks that he would be in "total coordination" with the White House on strategy for the impeachment trial.

"Sadly, Leader McConnell has made clear that his loyalty is to the President and not the Constitution. Leader McConnell has insisted that the approach under consideration is identical to those of the Clinton trial and that 'fair is fair.' This is simply not true," Pelosi wrote. "This process is not only unfair but designed to deprive Senators and the American people of crucial documents and testimony. Under the Clinton trial, witnesses were deposed."

Pelosi's letter comes after she briefed Democratic members in a meeting earlier in the day that she will not hand over the two articles of impeachment – abuse of power and obstruction of justice – and spoke with lawmakers about her plan to keep up the fight.

During the meeting with Democrats' Steering and Policy Committee in the Capitol basement, Pelosi also sought to invalidate McConnell's argument that the Senate is merely following the same procedures that governed President Clinton's impeachment in the late 1990s.

McConnell cited the Clinton impeachment proceedings earlier in the day Tuesday, saying, "We'll be glad to show [the resolution] to you when we unveil it.”

Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) said Pelosi "just talked about the differences between what McConnell wants to do and what was done during the Clinton impeachment, and how he's taken liberties with the facts."

"It was just the process that they're proposing and how that was different from what happened in the Clinton administration," he said.

Thompson said the caucus is united behind Pelosi's decision to withhold the articles from the Senate as Democrats seek a commitment from Senate GOP leaders for a fair trial — particularly after John Bolton, Trump's former national security advisor, offered to testify.

"Especially now when you've got key individuals who were asked to testify in the House, and the president precluded them from testifying, and now they're saying they will testify in the Senate."

Rep. Dan Kildee (D-Mich.) delivered a similar message, saying Democrats will support the transfer of articles "only if it's a real trial."

"And for it to be a real trial they're going to have to consider evidence — evidence to come in the form of testimony," he said.

"The entire context was so dramatically different," echoed "The Ken Starr investigation; all the work that was done leading up to impeachment. Clinton was so dramatically different that there's not really an apples-to-apples comparison."

Democrats have been pressing McConnell to allow them to call witnesses, and Pelosi has delayed passing the two articles as leverage in her demands for what she says is a fair trial.

Their back and forth is the start of a renewed battle since Congress has returned to Capitol Hill after a break over the holidays.

Pelosi got a win for her political gamble towards the end of the recess when Bolton said he would agree to testify if the GOP-controlled Senate decided to subpoena him for testimony.

Bolton's announcement sparked a new push among Democrats for McConnell to bend on his stance about witnesses. But the GOP leader's announcement Tuesday suggests it didn't make a dent.

McConnell has said that he wants to follow the Clinton impeachment process by having a first vote on a resolution setting the guidelines of the trial and then a separate vote over whether to call witnesses -- something he and other Republicans have opposed.

Democrats, on the other hand, want to secure witness testimony before the trial begins.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/477259-pelosi-refuses-to-back-down-on-impeachment-rules-fight

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Nancy says she is almost ready to send the impeachment articles to McConnell.

Maybe one or two more weekends of the Orange Maniac and his twitter account should see things out. Anyway after what happened last week she doesn't want any more deaths or another world war on her conscience. 
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That's a lotta words for saying she caved.
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As the impeachment trial approaches Bolton wants to testify, the people, including a majority of Rs want him to testify, Trump has got cold feet and no longer wants a trial and is ordering McConnell to shut it down. Several Republican Senators have their heads together trying to work out how they escape this thing without losing their jobs.

Nancy has done a superb job getting this expected rigged exoneration to a point where people now want to see exactly what is there.

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Pretty sure those stats just say that 2 thirds of people surveyed would like to see a fair process and 1 third have given up on the idea or couldn't care less. The sham partisan impeachment was just another example of BS game playing. It'll just confirm people's biases either way. Whoop de doo. It was a lame preorchestrated stunt. Nancy is a joke.
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''2 thirds want a fair process''.

Gee you are catching up quick stayer, well done. Clap
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Nobody believes in fairness any more. The mueller crap, the kavanaugh crap, the impeachment crap, etc etc. Just self interested pollies alienated from the people. People have turned off.
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Didn't you just say 2/3 of Americans want to see a fair trial?

6 months ago 34% wanted impeachment, now 51% want impeachment and 46% removal from office.

2/3 wanting to see the evidence and hear from the witnesses suggests they most definitely want fairness for both them and the President.

Only Trumpers dont want fairness or witnesses, presumably because they dont want Trump to get a fair trial?
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Some Republican Senators want a fair, full trial and the WH is worried.

White House expects GOP defections on calling witnesses in Senate impeachment trial

Washington — The White House is preparing for some Republican senators to join Democrats in voting to call witnesses in President Trump's impeachment trial, which could get underway in the coming days.

Senior White House officials tell CBS News they increasingly believe that at least four Republicans, and likely more, will vote to call witnesses. In addition to Senators Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Susan Collins of Maine, Mitt Romney of Utah and possibly Cory Gardner of Colorado, the White House also views Rand Paul of Kentucky as a "wild card" and Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee as an "institutionalist" who might vote to call witnesses, as one official put it.

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PT - how many republicans does nancy need to have a fair trial with witnesses?

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4 Republicans to force motions, a simple majority. The current configuration is 53-47

It takes 67 to convict.

Anyone can put forward a motion. Schumer will at some time call for certain witnesses and it will be put to a vote.
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ok  - still a good chance
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Very good chance. It is a political process and Senators vote on their own political survival as much or more than their constitutional responsibility. Leader McConnell's only loyalty is to the Senate and his majority. No majority, no judges. He has 22 Senators up for re-election this year, including himself. If he loses 4, no more judges.
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How smart is Mitt playing this game? Leading the way with the call to hear from the witnesses.

Still a chance of doing a Bradbury in November if he keeps playing it right.
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The House is expected to hand over impeachment articles tomorrow. Still a very small chance only one of the two will go over. Democrats will name their trial managers tomorrow also. The trial is expected to start early next week.

Davos(Switzerland) is also on next week and Trump is expected to attend despite his trial. Probably a good thing those meetings are all conducted in private. The Trump airing of  impeachment grievances will be outstanding. LOL
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Lev and his lawyer are having a good time...Hammer time...classic. You can see why McConnell doesn't want him to testify. Is there not one senior Republican he isn't connected to?Shocked
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Everyones heading off to Davos PT.
What is the theme of this years meeting I wonder?
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