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Latin. Cis meaning same side.
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The athlete that is the star of this current soap opera was never a girl. 

She went from a man to a woman. She got all the benefits of puberty. 
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Hard to be believe some people ;

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That woman is a senior politician over there. How woke can you get - seriously !
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I agree with point 1 of the silly ACLU piece - women can protect themselves. If they want to compete against big hairy ex-men it doesn't bother me. Bring it on. The more big hairy ex-men in women's events the better. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Latin. Cis meaning same side.

Actually more like "on this side", to contrast with "trans" meaning "across (to the other side)".

But there's no divisions, right? Just one happy rainbow 🌈?
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

RUOK oneone?

 he talks to himself...

 isn't that the first sign?

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As a straight, white, cis male...something, something, something
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Reminds me of Michael Jackson's "Black or White" video clip. Revolutionary, that one.
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I cant help myself.  I keep going back to look at that pic of Elsie on the other thread.Cry  Those legs oh those legs  Sick
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Imagine what Caitlyn Jenner would have done to Some Olympic records if she had had her change done q few years earlier
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Have they decided yet as to wether Casta can compete as a he or she ??
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 She's a big girl, Caitlyn...

 I used to like watching her as Bruce.

 
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Have they decided yet as to wether Casta can compete as a he or she ??

 Caster Semenya's gender is uncontroversially female. She is legally female, was from birth raised as female and identifies as a female.

 Big difference to what is going on with the trans athletes, AA.

 get off her case.

 
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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Have they decided yet as to wether Casta can compete as a he or she ??

 Caster Semenya's gender is uncontroversially female. She is legally female, was from birth raised as female and identifies as a female.

 Big difference to what is going on with the trans athletes, AA.

 get off her case.

 

And yet she is having more difficulty competing than a trans athlete. 
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I don't  know what testosterone levels trans athletes have. I assume the same rules would apply to them as to Caster but that may not the case away from some track races. 
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 The only solution to this is to put a time-ban on trans-gender athletes...at least from male to female...for say, three years, before they can compete. 

 In that time, more hormonal treatment might even things up...and the women's records might be harder to break.

 
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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Have they decided yet as to wether Casta can compete as a he or she ??

 Caster Semenya's gender is uncontroversially female. She is legally female, was from birth raised as female and identifies as a female.

 Big difference to what is going on with the trans athletes, AA.

 get off her case.

 


For heavens sake JJ !  I am not "on her case " and not sure why you think I am, because I ask a question !  I ask because the last I heard about her, some time back now, they were making her have hormone tests or something, before they decided if she was female enough to compete against the girls.  After that I hadnt heard much about what was happening with her.  I ask, and you get on your high horse. I am allowed to ask questions, and have an opinion you know ?  Its not juust you who gets to do that here on this frum, and you really dont need to jump up and down for every woman mentioned on here.
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 I feel very sorry for anyone who is born with a 'problem'...and who is then ridiculed.

 I think I remember Caster being made fun of, quite a bit, on here...

 By certain people.

 Were you one, AA?

 

 
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Uncontroversially female, eithout ovaries or uterus but with balls.Wink
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Uncontroversially female, without ovaries or uterus but with balls.Wink
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 sounds like quite a few women...

 
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 would you like to deal with her problems?

 Cast the first stone...

 
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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 I feel very sorry for anyone who is born with a 'problem'...and who is then ridiculed.

 I think I remember Caster being made fun of, quite a bit, on here...

 By certain people.

 Were you one, AA?

 

 

I probably was.  In your opinion.
But because we dont agree with your view doesnt mean we cant speak on here.
I am sorry these people have problems.  Some of said problems are sometimes brought on by themselves, as well.
If I was a female runner who had to go up against Caster I would be pretty dirty. She looks like a man and is built like a man.  Pictures dont lie.  Same with the swimmer .   I dont see it being at all fair and equal for the "normal " ( for want of a better word ) girls either.  Why dont you stick up for those women ?  They are athletes who have worked and trained hard all their lives and end up with not a chance because they are running, or swimming , against a mans body. Its not a fair and equal playing field and if you think it is, and its fair for all , good on you.
I dont.

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 I am sticking up for them. I don't think transgender athletes should compete against 'normal' women...for at least three years after they transition.

 But Caster is not transgender.

 Have you ever looked at Cate Campbell?  She towers over some of her opponents, and has very wide shoulders. No-one says that isn't fair. Because no-one disputes Cate's gender.

 It's never fair...but they can be sensible and make rules.

 

 

 
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Remember the old days of a "slippery slope"?
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Fun fact: There are 15,000 transgenders in the US military and an estimated 137,000 veterans.
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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 I am sticking up for them. I don't think transgender athletes should compete against 'normal' women...for at least three years after they transition.

 But Caster is not transgender.

 Have you ever looked at Cate Campbell?  She towers over some of her opponents, and has very wide shoulders. No-one says that isn't fair. Because no-one disputes Cate's gender.

 It's never fair...but they can be sensible and make rules.

 

 

 


Possibly the first time I’ve read someone actually put forward a proposed solution. I have no idea whether a time limit would work but would be worth exploring. 

I’ve asked before though, is this “issue” being made out to be much more than what it is? My understanding is that virtually no trans athletes exist at the elite level. Sure, someone will now come up with an example but an exception does not make the care. The suggestion that allowing them to compete against born females is killing womens sport is laughable. 
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