Toronado To Swettenham

Tail female families 1 & 14 tend to work well together, from the research I've done on my own mare who is a family 1. I note Dylan Thomas and Grand Slam are both family 9-C mares cover by family 2 stallions, which possibly may like each others blood... then the French House on the tail, and Nearctic both trace to the same mare...

Any chance of getting that pedigree blown up please Gay ?

h Chaparral 1999	Sadler's Wells 1981	Northern Dancer 1961	Nearctic 1954	Nearco 1935	Pharos 1920	Phalaris Scapa Flow	1913 - 1-i 1914 - 13-e
					Nogara 1928	Havresac II Catnip	1915 - 8-h 1910 - 4-r
				Lady Angela 1944	Hyperion 1930	Gainsborough Selene	1915 - 2-n 1919 - 6-e
					Sister Sarah 1930	Abbots Trace Sarita	1917 - 4-j 1924 - 14-c
			Natalma 1957	Native Dancer 1950	Polynesian 1942	Unbreakable Black Polly	1935 - 4-i 1936 - 14-a
					Geisha 1943	Discovery Miyako	1931 - 23-b 1935 - 5-f
				Almahmoud 1947	Mahmoud 1933	Blenheim Mah Mahal	1927 - 1-e 1928 - 9-c
					Arbitrator 1937	Peace Chance Mother Goose	1931 - 10-d 1922 - 2-d
		Fairy Bridge 1975	Bold Reason 1968	Hail To Reason 1958	Turn-To 1951	Royal Charger Source Sucree	1942 - 9-c 1940 - 1-w
					Nothirdchance 1948	Blue Swords Galla Colors	1940 - 7 1943 - 4-n
				Lalun 1952	Djeddah 1945	Djebel Djezima	1937 - 5-j 1933 - 13-c
					Be Faithful 1942	Bimelech Bloodroot	1937 - 1-x 1932 - 19-b
			Special 1969	Forli 1963	Aristophanes 1948	Hyperion Commotion	1930 - 6-e 1938 - 9-c
					Trevisa 1951	Advocate Veneta	1940 - 4-k 1940 - 3-b
				Thong 1964	Nantallah 1953	Nasrullah Shimmer	1940 - 9-c 1945 - 6
					Rough Shod 1944	Gold Bridge Dalmary	1929 - 22-d 1931 - 5-h
	Kasora 1993	Darshaan 1981	Shirley Heights 1975	Mill Reef 1968	Never Bend 1960	Nasrullah Lalun	1940 - 9-c 1952 - 19-b
					Milan Mill 1962	Princequillo Virginia Water	1940 - 1-b 1953 - 22-d
				Hardiemma 1969	Hardicanute 1962	Hard Ridden Harvest Maid	1955 - 16 1949 - 3-j
					Grand Cross 1952	Grandmaster Blue Cross	1942 - 1-k 1946 - 1-l
			Delsy 1972	Abdos 1959	Arbar 1944	Djebel Astronomie	1937 - 5-j 1932 - 9-e
					Pretty Lady 1942	Umidwar La Moqueuse	1931 - 3-e 1925 - 1-e
				Kelty 1965	Venture VII 1957	Relic Rose O'Lynn	1945 - 8-f 1944 - 7
					Marilla 1957	Marsyas Albanilla	1940 - 9-e 1951 - 13-c
		Kozana 1982	Kris 1976	Sharpen Up 1969	Atan 1961	Native Dancer Mixed Marriage	1950 - 5-f 1952 - 2-f
					Rocchetta 1961	Rockefella Chambiges	1941 - 7-a 1949 - 5-i
				Doubly Sure 1971	Reliance 1962	Tantieme Relance	1947 - 20-a 1952 - 16-h
					Soft Angels 1963	Crepello Sweet Angel	1954 - 16-d 1955 - 2-o
			Koblenza 1966	Hugh Lupus 1952	Djebel 1937	Tourbillon Loika	1928 - 13-c 1926 - 5-j
					Sakountala 1942	Goya Samos	1934 - 9-e 1932 - 19
				Kalimara 1960	Norseman 1940	Umidwar Tara	1931 - 3-e 1932 - 13-c
					Montana 1943	Mirko Indiara	1939 - 22-d 1935 - 1-n
Wana Doo 2000	Grand Slam 1995	Gone West 1984	Mr Prospector 1970	Raise A Native 1961	Native Dancer 1950	Polynesian Geisha	1942 - 14-a 1943 - 5-f
					Raise You 1946	Case Ace Lady Glory	1934 - 1-k 1934 - 8-f
				Gold Digger 1962	Nashua 1952	Nasrullah Segula	1940 - 9-c 1942 - 3-m
					Sequence 1946	Count Fleet Miss Dogwood	1940 - 6 1939 - 13-c
			Secrettame 1978	Secretariat 1970	Bold Ruler 1954	Nasrullah Miss Disco	1940 - 9-c 1944 - 8-d
					Somethingroyal 1952	Princequillo Imperatrice	1940 - 1-b 1938 - 2-s
				Tamerett 1962	Tim Tam 1955	Tom Fool Two Lea	1949 - 3-j 1946 - 23-b
					Mixed Marriage 1952	Tudor Minstrel Persian Maid	1944 - 9-c 1947 - 2-f
		Bright Candles 1987	El Gran Senor 1981	Northern Dancer 1961	Nearctic 1954	Nearco Lady Angela	1935 - 4-r 1944 - 14-c
					Natalma 1957	Native Dancer Almahmoud	1950 - 5-f 1947 - 2-d
				Sex Appeal 1970	Buckpasser 1963	Tom Fool Busanda	1949 - 3-j 1947 - 1-x
					Best In Show 1965	Traffic Judge Stolen Hour	1952 - 3-n 1953 - 8-f
			Christmas Bonus 1978	Key To The Mint 1969	Graustark 1963	Ribot Flower Bowl	1952 - 4-l 1952 - 4-d
					Key Bridge 1959	Princequillo Blue Banner	1940 - 1-b 1952 - 2-n
				Sugar Plum Time 1972	Bold Ruler 1954	Nasrullah Miss Disco	1940 - 9-c 1944 - 8-d
					Plum Cake 1958	Ponder Real Delight	1946 - 23 1949 - 9-c
	Wedding Gift 1993	Always Fair 1985	Danzig 1977	Northern Dancer 1961	Nearctic 1954	Nearco Lady Angela	1935 - 4-r 1944 - 14-c
					Natalma 1957	Native Dancer Almahmoud	1950 - 5-f 1947 - 2-d
				Pas De Nom 1968	Admiral's Voyage 1959	Crafty Admiral Olympia Lou	1948 - 8-c 1952 - 4-n
					Petitioner 1952	Petition Steady Aim	1944 - 16-h 1943 - 7-a
			Carduel 1978	Buckpasser 1963	Tom Fool 1949	Menow Gaga	1935 - 8-g 1942 - 3-j
					Busanda 1947	War Admiral Businesslike	1934 - 11-b 1939 - 1-x
				Minstrelete 1973	Round Table 1954	Princequillo Knight's Daughter	1940 - 1-b 1941 - 2-f
					Gay Violin 1964	Sir Gaylord Blue Violin	1959 - 2-s 1951 - 19-b
		Such Style 1977	Sassafras 1967	Sheshoon 1956	Precipitation 1933	Hurry On Double Life	1913 - 2-d 1926 - 2-i
					Noorani 1950	Nearco Empire Glory	1935 - 4-r 1933 - 14-a
				Ruta 1960	Ratification 1953	Court Martial Solesa	1942 - 1-p 1940 - 1-u
					Dame D'Atour 1955	Cranach Barley Corn	1938 - 12-e 1950 - 8-c
			Regal Lady 1970	Relko 1960	Tanerko 1953	Tantieme La Divine	1947 - 20-a 1943 - 12
					Relance 1952	Relic Polaire	1945 - 8-f 1947 - 16-h
				Noble Lassie 1956	Nearco 1935	Pharos Nogara	1920 - 13-e 1928 - 4-r
					Belle Sauvage 1949	Big Game Tropical Sun	1939 - 6-e 1940 - 1-d

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Edited by Gay3 - 12 Dec 2017 at 8:20am

Yes I was going to suggest the Double Sure son cross but was off to the physio.  As well as the 14c sireling of Nearctic and 14c female line.  You see it more often as the sireline of the dam (in the 5th generation) and the damline of the sire.

Redoutes mare with Toranado at foot - what a ripper

Gay3 wrote: Redoutes mare with Toranado at foot - what a ripper 93 B Mare(+) Lanesborough Redoute's Choice Kensington Gardens (NZ) Three Bridges Thoroughbreds, Eddington

Pretty hard to lose out on $16k for that package.

Gay3 wrote: Second Chance wrote: Will no doubt be shown the error of my ways quick smart, but can't quite see what a breeding consultant like KM would see in the Toronado - The French House match.   ps  the above photo of Toronado does him no justice whatsoever. Ime, Kristen is a fan of duplicating Blue Hens & family affinities so the Doubly Sure dups & high incidence of the No. 2 families would have appealed along with almost all males on her side being carried by Toronado too. Furious would no doubt manage to dissect her reasoning far better than I tho'

Sold 5 of 6 for $55k avg, including a $50k colt from the Arletty family.

I'm sure BiCarb she would also have more success if she had access to better mares.  We all know that things don't work 100% of the time but class helps with getting the better genes across.  If you have a non winning family and a winning family (same family but different branches) even with the best of intentions you'll still have more chances with the better winning family.

2 weeks ago she broke thru' for 100 individual horses or winners (forget) & I remembered most of them, especially Wowee who I think was stakes winner or placed.
She's very astute off a tiny budget & Bonfire Night by Golden Snake won last week as well.

Second Chance look at Star Kingdom again please.  From a great female line but his first four dams couldn't produce any stakes results.  This one is also from a great female line - that of Vaguely Noble.  Yes dam wasn't great but the bloodlines are there to help.  He may or may not make it but it won't be because of his dam.

Like any Stallion might get the odd good one but in general doubt they will be able to run.

You've gone Troppo !!!

I just LOVE the Toronado ex She's Got Gears colt Hawkes got at Premier $340k...CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO..