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    Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 9:39pm
Awesome ride by Joe on Hawkshot.
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Really nice boost for Fiorente today.

Hawkshot, who races as Beauty Legacy, made a winning debut in Hong Kong for John Size with Moreira on board. I'd been following his trials and he was looking great. 

He will be up in the Derby markets now. This could/should be the horse to put Fiorente's name up in lights. Fiorente has had a quiet patch the last 6-9 months. Tough stretch for a young staying sire who served some ordinary books.

He has 8 in the Melb Premier Sale. 4 in the Top session and 4 in the Showcase session.

I hope he can push on from here, he was a super racehorse, beautiful blood, and a ripper type. I'm a fan, but it is a tough tough market.
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This won't help his cause, thanks to Skydancer in another thread:

May 2019
Lindsay Park co-trainer David Hayes lamented the sale of a potential star to Hong Kong.

Group II winner Hawkshot will do his racing under the care of champion Hong Kong trainer John Size next season after Sun Bloodstock sold the three-year-old for an undisclosed sum.

Hayes said Hawkshot, a son of the Melbourne Cup winner Fiorente, was far from the finished article but would have been one of the stable’s best performers in his four-year-old season.

“I’m disappointed about it,” Hayes, who trained Hawkshot in partnership with his son Ben and nephew Tom Dabernig, said.

“I was really excited about training him for next year, because I thought he would be my weight-for-age horse.

“He was placed in the (Australian) Guineas, won the Autumn Stakes, didn’t go to Sydney to be spelled and looked magnificent.”

Hayes said Hawkshot’s previous owner, the Sun Bloodstock operation, must have received a “ridiculous” offer to part with the winner of three of 10 starts.

“He was raw and he would have been ready to show his best in the spring,” Hayes said.

“He’ll be a big loss to the stable because he’s a very exciting horse.”
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He has one over in SA with a bit of a wrap on him
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Well our racing need speed.  But if you have a decent Encosta de Lago or Sadler's Well's line mare with that speed go for it.  The bad percentage for staying type stallions is always going to happen here.  We have 99% races 1600 and below.  So speed is essential for the mare.
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From earlier this year:

[QUOTE=Second Chance]  Have looked up a lot of his mares and believe me more than a few have been extremely ordinary. ] /QUOTE]
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Not sure what to make of this bloke. Don't want to knock him yet but he is struggling to get 30% w:r and barely has more than a handful of city winners. I wouldn't be enthusiastic in spending $25K this year .$10K last year was much more palatable.
Perhaps we have to wait until he has had 2 crops of 4y.o.'s complete their seasons
His best two horses are full brothers. Their close relation Little Phoenix is struggling, but he doesn't have EDL in his pedigree
Is it the Star Way line in EDL that is the conduit . Gives a cross of Neckar & thus makes 3lines of TICINO
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FLORAISON (AUS)Grey filly 2015 
Fiorente
Brown 2008
Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Brown 1961
Tamerlane
Donna Diana
1952
1956
1-e
6-e
Konigskronung
Brown 1965
Tiepoletto
Kronung
1956
1957
2-c
5-h
Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Chestnut 1974
Literat
Surama
1965
1970
7-b
19>
Monasia
Bay 1979
Authi
Monacensia
1970
1969
14-b
8-a
Desert Bloom
Bay 2000
Pilsudski
Bay 1992
Polish Precedent
Bay 1986
Danzig
Past Example
1977
1976
7-a
8-h
Cocotte
Bay 1983
Troy
Gay Milly
1976
1977
1-b
11>
Desert Beauty
Bay 1994
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Foreign Courier
1977
1979
7-a
A4
Hellenic
Bay 1987
Darshaan
Grecian Sea
1981
1978
13-c
5-h
Aseena
Bay 2006
Verglas
Grey 1994
Highest Honor
Grey 1983
Kenmare
Grey 1975
Kalamoun
Belle of Ireland
1970
1964
9-c
1-m
High River
Bay 1978
Riverman
Hairbrush
1969
1970
10-a
10-c
Rahaam
Grey 1987
Secreto
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Betty's Secret
1961
1977
2-d
4-d
Fager's Glory
Grey 1976
Mr Prospector
Street's Glory
1970
1972
13-c
3-d
Pop Alliance
Bay 2000
Entrepreneur
Bay 1994
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Exclusive Order
Chestnut 1979
Exclusive Native
Bonavista
1965
1964
10-a
6-e
Madonna Sprite
Brown 1985
Saint Cyrien
Bay 1980
Luthier
Sevres
1965
1974
14-c
5-h
Frenetique
Bay or brown 1973
Tyrant
Femina
1966
1967
2-i
16-g
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Te Rapa race 4 Saturday first starter Floraison, 3yo filly Fiorente - Aseena.
Linebred to what may prove to be one of his stronger lines.
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ROSAFIORENTINA (AUS)Chestnut filly 2015 
Fiorente
Brown 2008
Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Brown 1961
Tamerlane
Donna Diana
1952
1956
1-e
6-e
Konigskronung
Brown 1965
Tiepoletto
Kronung
1956
1957
2-c
5-h
Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Chestnut 1974
Literat
Surama
1965
1970
7-b
19>
Monasia
Bay 1979
Authi
Monacensia
1970
1969
14-b
8-a
Desert Bloom
Bay 2000
Pilsudski
Bay 1992
Polish Precedent
Bay 1986
Danzig
Past Example
1977
1976
7-a
8-h
Cocotte
Bay 1983
Troy
Gay Milly
1976
1977
1-b
11>
Desert Beauty
Bay 1994
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Foreign Courier
1977
1979
7-a
A4
Hellenic
Bay 1987
Darshaan
Grecian Sea
1981
1978
13-c
5-h
Rosestroem
Chestnut 2007
Elvstroem
Bay 2000
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Circles of Gold
Chestnut 1991
Marscay
Chestnut 1979
Biscay
Heart of Market
1965
1967
2-o
4-m
Olympic Aim
Chestnut 1983
Zamazaan
Gold Vink
1965
1966
7>
22-b
Call to Duty
Bay 1996
Dehere
Bay 1991
Deputy Minister
Bay or brown 1979
Vice Regent
Mint Copy
1967
1970
10-c
10-a
Sister Dot
Bay 1985
Secretariat
Sword Game
1970
1976
2-s
2-o
Draft
Chestnut 1989
Marauding
Bay 1984
Sir Tristram
Biscalowe
1971
1979
6-e
4-i
Shackle
Brown 1983
Luskin Star
Impede
1974
1975
2-e
2-r
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Just had one place over 900m in a Maiden at Mt Gambier - who on paper looks like she would want further.

ROSAFIORENTINA

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quinella in a maiden too
 

Sire: FIORENTE


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BUSTA MOVE
58.5kg (9st 3lb)
BEAU MERTENS (4)
HENRY DWYER
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Fiorente filly Moor Gait wins the Gp 3 2500m Classic at Morphettville.
Typo


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Fair call imo.

Have looked up a lot of his mares and believe me more than a few have been extremely ordinary.

He might just be a genuine upgrader.
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Originally posted by HH88 HH88 wrote:

Well argued points and likely they will form part of the answer.

A search for the "constant factor" in Monsun's good ones in no particular order:

Vadamos, Fiorente, Almandin, Shirocco, Stacelita, Novellist, Manduro, Schiaparelli, Maxios, Gentlewave, Guadalupe, Estimate and Floriot thow up a number of possible answers. 

Of the 13 above only two, Gentlewave and Estimate do not carry Northern Dancer in the dam line.

Given Monsun himself is free of Nearco's male line (he has two daughters) it is possible Northern Dancer is providing the balancing male line.

(Gentlewave and Estimate get their male strains of Nearco through Nasrullah, Royal Charger, and Dante)

The interest in Hawkshot or any of the Fiorente's out of EDL mares is the female strain of Northern Dancer carried on EDL's dam line through Fanfreluche to balance the two ND male strains in Fiorente's pedigree.

Still early days, a little more grist for the mill, and wouldn't rule out the Bahram clue just yet. 



You are getting close HH...The sireline IS directing the 'constant factor' here...
Fiorente's nick with Encosta De Lago matches Monsun's nick with Tiger Hill, Appiani being the common line.

Go back to Fiorente's sire line and come forward from Bahram to Tamerlane and see where he takes you....connect the dots from there...
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If Northern Dancer was the key to ANY pedigree then this would be all so easy.
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Well argued points and likely they will form part of the answer.

A search for the "constant factor" in Monsun's good ones in no particular order:

Vadamos, Fiorente, Almandin, Shirocco, Stacelita, Novellist, Manduro, Schiaparelli, Maxios, Gentlewave, Guadalupe, Estimate and Floriot thow up a number of possible answers. 

Of the 13 above only two, Gentlewave and Estimate do not carry Northern Dancer in the dam line.

Given Monsun himself is free of Nearco's male line (he has two daughters) it is possible Northern Dancer is providing the balancing male line.

(Gentlewave and Estimate get their male strains of Nearco through Nasrullah, Royal Charger, and Dante)

The interest in Hawkshot or any of the Fiorente's out of EDL mares is the female strain of Northern Dancer carried on EDL's dam line through Fanfreluche to balance the two ND male strains in Fiorente's pedigree.

Still early days, a little more grist for the mill, and wouldn't rule out the Bahram clue just yet. 


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Originally posted by HH88 HH88 wrote:

So potentially two of his best to date (Hawkshot and his full brother) and not a daughter of Bahram in the dam to be seen!!
What is working here?

I would agree with kavg to some extent and say that if I was doing a mating to Fiorente I would make sure that the Bold Reason / Never Bend influences were there in some form . They appear in Fiorente through a 3x of Never Bend and twice being through Mill Reef . 

Never Bend carries Nasrullah (9c) X Djeddah (13c) out of the family 19b. 

Straight Strike is Mr Prospector ( Nasrullah (9c) out of Family (13c) )  crossed with Bend Not (never Bend x Brookfield reinforcing 9c with 19b . 

Darshaan carries Mill Reef with Never Bend back to the 13c family again . 

The dam brings back extra Mr Prospector and a line of Bold Reason  as well . All of the 13c and 19b influences are closely related as well . 

There appears to be plenty more going on and you could make an argument that Pilsudski brings some of the genetic influence of Danehill and that Dschingis Khan brings some of the Star way influences forward .  That's the way I would analyse the mating IMHO .   
  
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So potentially two of his best to date (Hawkshot and his full brother) and not a daughter of Bahram in the dam to be seen!!
What is working here?
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Ha, very nice colt.

Hopefully a top 3 finish in the champagne will add a nice stat for the sire.
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Originally posted by Gee Gee Gee Gee wrote:

Hawkshot's full brother POWER SCHEME is one to watch. Wink

 
He sure is.
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FARIHA (AUS)
Chestnut filly 2015 
Fiorente
Brown 2008
Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Brown 1961
Tamerlane
Donna Diana
1952
1956
1-e
6-e
Konigskronung
Brown 1965
Tiepoletto
Kronung
1956
1957
2-c
5-h
Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Chestnut 1974
Literat
Surama
1965
1970
7-b
19>
Monasia
Bay 1979
Authi
Monacensia
1970
1969
14-b
8-a
Desert Bloom
Bay 2000
Pilsudski
Bay 1992
Polish Precedent
Bay 1986
Danzig
Past Example
1977
1976
7-a
8-h
Cocotte
Bay 1983
Troy
Gay Milly
1976
1977
1-b
11>
Desert Beauty
Bay 1994
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Foreign Courier
1977
1979
7-a
A4
Hellenic
Bay 1987
Darshaan
Grecian Sea
1981
1978
13-c
5-h
Goody Two Shoes
Bay 2008
Encosta de Lago
Bay 1993
Fairy King
Bay 1982
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Shoal Creek
Chestnut 1988
Star Way
Chestnut 1977
Star Appeal
New Way
1970
1970
5-d
6-e
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Grand Luxe
1970
1974
13-c
4-g
Angelic Song
Bay 1988
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Cosmah
Bay 1953
Cosmic Bomb
Almahmoud
1944
1947
14-f
2-d
Ballade
Bay or brown 1972
Herbager
Bay 1956
Vandale
Flagette
1943
1951
3-c
16-c
Miss Swapsco
Bay or brown 1965
Cohoes
Soaring
1954
1960
1-s
12-c
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Has an Australian bred filly going for the South African Oaks.
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Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

Originally posted by GAJ GAJ wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Lot 63 for sale today in Tassie looks a fair size lad in the photo.

Doubt there will ever be a sample large enough to lock it in, but there would have to be some confidence in Ladoni's female line being a positive influence for Fiorente.

 
From comments I have heard they have a very good disposition, this boy at the sale was very well grown.
 
Our young colt now just gone four and a half months is unusually big and growing rapidly.
Has anyone heard of the same growth rate for other Fiorente's foals?


We only got ours as a yearling, he’s out of an Encosta mare and he’s now 2yo, huge and leggy. A bit gawky but otherwise sensible and kind.
Decent feed bill for the two sold so far at Premier. The filly, in particular, looks like she'll be needing the extension at the starting gates.
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Hello,
here in Germany a filly named Armance (Tai Chi-Argannza by Sinndar, won a Listed race at Hanover
in 2018 as 3 year old) traces to "Rossitor", she is the 5th dam.
 
Btw, "Dirt Music" is bred 3x3 Rossitor! An interesting mating would be with Kallisto (by Sternkonig),
it would be 4x4x4 Rossitor. Unfortunately he stands in Germany and is meanwhilwe more than
20 years old.
 
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Great effort from Fiorente to produce Hawkshot to nearly win an Aust Guineas over a mile.

Had his chance even though had to work a touch for the lead and looked to get a bit hotter than the rest of the field behind the gates. Hayes said yesterday he will eat up 2000m so keen to watch him progress.

Stars of Carrum given no chance so wide around the circle.
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Another good win from Mosh Music.... so, how do we orchestrate the foal we’re after??
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I could be wrong here but I think Kris Lees has a 3yo by this stallion that goes alright , a big leggy youngster who races on the pace , I hope I'm right as he caught my eye fwiw.
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