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maccamax
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WOW ... I just left another thread and you were in Germany ... This new fast train travel is great .... Back home in America. Well done.
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Passing Through
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I get around, you can do that confidently masked and vaccinated.
US to pass 800,000 dead in the next day or so.
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maccamax
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Their population increased by 18 million . What is your worry.
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Nobody will debate the voices in his head #SAD
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Tlazolteotl
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"Supposedly" That's an odd word to use, Donald.
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Tlazolteotl
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Trump was ‘loving watching the Capitol mob,’ former White House official tells CNNhttps://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-was-loving-watching-the-capitol-mob-white-house-official-2021-2
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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Good old CNN and their unnamed sources.
Not saying it's untrue, but come on, that's gossip magazine material. |
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For over 3 hours, refusing to act.
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Tlazolteotl
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You're not saying it's untrue because you know damn well it is true.
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Listening to Jonathan Swan's excellent podcast series in June on the election through to Jan6, he wasn't shy naming names. With what has emerged in evidence and assertions from the committee, his ''sources'' were spot on.
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Passing Through
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From Robert Costa/Bob Woodward book that has proven remarkably accurate:
No wonder Pence was refusing to go with the secret service on the day, and why there was a purge before the service tranferred to Biden. Nobody trusted anyone.
thread#showTweet" data-screenname="costareports" data-tweet="1469680144726040577" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: lato, sans-serif; font-size: 1.7rem; line-height: 1.5; letter-spacing: -0.003em; margin-bottom: 20px; overflow-wrap: break-word; cursor: pointer; padding-top: 20px;">Based on our reporting, Eastman begins drafting his memo in late Dec. and Trump WH has it by the new year. WH then gives it to Sen. Lee and others on Jan. 2, as we document in "Peril." But by Jan. 3, after Pence meets w/ Sen. Parliam., it's clear he's not coming along. thread#showTweet" data-screenname="costareports" data-tweet="1469680736722690055" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Georgia, Cambria, "times new roman", Times, serif; font-size: 1.1875rem; line-height: 1.58; letter-spacing: -0.003em; margin-bottom: 1.25rem; overflow-wrap: break-word; cursor: pointer;">On Jan. 4, Pence is in Georgia for a rally, but once he flies back, Trump calls him to the Oval. See "Peril" pgs. 224-227. "I'm getting guidance that says I can't," Pence tells Trump and Eastman, who is there. "Listen. Listen to John," Trump replies. thread#showTweet" data-screenname="costareports" data-tweet="1469681405244416003" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Georgia, Cambria, "times new roman", Times, serif; font-size: 1.1875rem; line-height: 1.58; letter-spacing: -0.003em; margin-bottom: 1.25rem; overflow-wrap: break-word; cursor: pointer;">As Eastman and Trump pressure Pence and Pence's aides/lawyers, the rest of the Trump WH is in full-steam ahead mode that same day. See "Peril" chapter 41. "Graham was at the WH on January 4, where he received some memos supporting Trump's claims." We put those memos in the book. thread#showTweet" data-screenname="costareports" data-tweet="1469682461118537729" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Georgia, Cambria, "times new roman", Times, serif; font-size: 1.1875rem; line-height: 1.58; letter-spacing: -0.003em; margin-bottom: 1.25rem; overflow-wrap: break-word; cursor: pointer;">Chief of staff Mark Meadows is working with Trump this whole time, and we show him meeting with Graham and Giuliani on how to push Trump's efforts along. See his Jan. 2 meeting with both of them on p. 212-214 of "Peril." But there were still lingering Qs re: his role/knowledge. thread#showTweet" data-screenname="costareports" data-tweet="1469683436348706827" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Georgia, Cambria, "times new roman", Times, serif; font-size: 1.1875rem; line-height: 1.58; letter-spacing: -0.003em; margin-bottom: 1.25rem; overflow-wrap: break-word; cursor: pointer;">Now, months after "Peril" was published, we are learning more about both Meadows and that key day, January *4th.* Think of it as the set-up day for the eve of the insurrection, Jan. 5, when Bannon and Giuliani work from the Willard and Trump pressures Pence, 1 on 1, in Oval. thread#showTweet" data-screenname="costareports" data-tweet="1469684937032884224" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Georgia, Cambria, "times new roman", Times, serif; font-size: 1.1875rem; line-height: 1.58; letter-spacing: -0.003em; margin-bottom: 1.25rem; overflow-wrap: break-word; cursor: pointer; background: rgb(245, 248, 250); border-radius: 15px;">Read this: "The powerpoint was presented on 4 January to a number of Republican senators and members of Congress, the source said." Meadows was in possession of a PowerPoint that echoed Eastman memo. (The origin story of the PP is a key reporting target.) thread#showTweet" data-screenname="costareports" data-tweet="1469684937032884224" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Georgia, Cambria, "times new roman", Times, serif; font-size: 1.1875rem; line-height: 1.58; letter-spacing: -0.003em; margin-bottom: 1.25rem; overflow-wrap: break-word; cursor: pointer; background: rgb(245, 248, 250); border-radius: 15px;">We now know that in the critical Jan. 4-5 period, where the pressure on Pence is Level 10/10, you have not only the principals leaning on the VP, but numerous docs circulating to make the case. -Eastman memos -PowerPoints -And Jenna Ellis memos (see below) thread#showTweet" data-screenname="costareports" data-tweet="1469684937032884224" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Georgia, Cambria, "times new roman", Times, serif; font-size: 1.1875rem; line-height: 1.58; letter-spacing: -0.003em; margin-bottom: 1.25rem; overflow-wrap: break-word; cursor: pointer; background: rgb(245, 248, 250); border-radius: 15px;"> thread#showTweet" data-screenname="costareports" data-tweet="1469687180712984580" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 1.1875rem; line-height: 1.58; letter-spacing: -0.003em; margin-bottom: 1.25rem; overflow-wrap: break-word; cursor: pointer; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">But despite all of these docs and PowerPts, the most revealing thing of this period isn't a document. It's what he says to Pence on Jan. 5. At the end of the day, Trump isn't looking to these docs to make his case. He looks to the gathering mob in the streets. (Ch. 43, "Peril") thread#showTweet" data-screenname="costareports" data-tweet="1469687670452465670" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 1.1875rem; line-height: 1.58; letter-spacing: -0.003em; margin-bottom: 1.25rem; overflow-wrap: break-word; cursor: pointer; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">"If these people say you had the power, wouldn't you want to?" Trump asked. "I wouldn't want any one person to have that authority," Pence said. "But wouldn't it almost be cool to have that power?" Trump asked. "No," Pence said. /end thread#showTweet" data-screenname="costareports" data-tweet="1469743550661378051" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 1.1875rem; line-height: 1.58; letter-spacing: -0.003em; margin-bottom: 1.25rem; overflow-wrap: break-word; cursor: pointer; background-image: initial; background-position: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; border-radius: 15px;">Another important data point on Jan. 4th: "Robert 'Bobby' Peede Jr. and [Max] Miller met with Trump in his private dining room off of the Oval Office on January 4 to discuss the January 6 rally." |
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Tlazolteotl
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On Thursday, the House will vote on whether or not to hold Bannon in contempt for refusing a summons. According to Trump biographer, this is exactly what Bannon wants to happen. Wolff made the comments while speaking with Laurence O’Donnell from MSNBC. He explained that, “this is exactly where Steve Bannon wants to be. Remember, Steve has been in the wilderness for the last three years since Trump forced him out of the White House. But the real pain in Steve’s heart is that the attention has been on Donald Trump — who Steve regards as, as stupid, crazy and a crook — rather than the attention being on Steve Bannon. So, yes, it’s a good day for Steve.” O’Donnell asked what would happen if Bannon was to go to jail over a contempt charge. “He would be in Heaven,” Wolff answered. “He would literally be in Heaven. This would make his career and his life." https://hillreporter.com/watch-michael-wolff-explains-why-steve-bannon-would-be-in-heaven-if-he-went-to-jail-for-contempt-115851 |
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Bannon is different to Meadows or Clarke. He told Wolff for his book Fire and Fury that Trump was a vehicle for a movement and the movement must endure, not Trump. He sees himself as destined for greatness and a period in prison would do him no harm but rather martyr him.
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Tlazolteotl
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Alan Kohler: Why Donald Trump should make us thankful for the Australian Electoral CommissionAs we watch the slow, momentous collapse of American democracy, a Scott Morrison-ism comes to mind: How good is the Australian Electoral Commission? In Australia, Donald Trump would always have to win fair and square, and if he lost there would be no polls a year later showing that 80 per cent of his party still think the election was stolen, as 80 per cent of US Republicans apparently do of last year’s US election. The latest American outrage is a PowerPoint presentation written by Trump’s Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows, entitled: “Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan”. It was a plan for overturning the 2020 result and installing his boss as the winner, and started with: “VP Pence delays the decision in order to allow for a vetting and subsequent counting of all the legal paper ballots”. They would then go on to declare a “National Security Emergency”, based on the proposition that Venezuela, which is itself barely alive, interfered in the US election for some reason, and then declare electronic voting in all states invalid because of that foreign influence and only “count paper ballots or revert to a constitutional remedy delegated to Congress”. Bear in mind, the author of this insane sedition was the President’s Chief of Staff. Pence refused to do it, which led to a mob storming the Capitol Building on January 6 shouting, among other things, “Kill Pence”. Republicans are now preparing for the 2024 presidential election by launching campaigns to install Trump allies as the electoral officials in a number of key states. That project is running in parallel with a Republican push across the country to enact voter suppression laws based on Trump’s election lies. And now Donald Trump is favourite to win in 2024. Thank God for the AECAs I read about all this, all I can think is: Thank God for Tom Rogers. Rogers is the Australian Electoral Commissioner and he wouldn’t stand for any of the nonsense going on the United States – in fact his mere presence and the existence of the AEC stand against both the perception and reality of electoral fraud in this country. I’m not suggesting the AEC is perfect, and I’ll get to its imperfections later, but it’s worth remembering that the only serious challenge to the integrity of Australia’s electoral system occurred in 1977 when Reg Withers, the then Minister for Administrative Affairs, tried to change the name of the Gold Coast electorate to McPherson over the head of the Australian Electorate Office, as it then was. There was a Royal Commission. And Reg Withers lost his job. Seven years later, the Hawke government rewrote the electoral laws and turned the office into an independent statutory commission with powerful laws to both run and regulate elections. The minister behind that was Mick Young, Special Minister of State, but he was forced to step down when he failed to declare a Paddington Bear in his wife’s luggage at the airport – which, as an aside, was a wonderful, nostalgic, affirmation of Australian political integrity, and something that would definitely not happen today. Anyway, his key adviser, the future Treasurer Wayne Swan and an architect of the new electoral laws with Michael Maley of the AEO, kept the project going with Swan’s new boss, Kim Beazley. Watching what’s going in the US now, it’s pretty clear that while that legislation is not usually remembered among the Hawke/Keating government’s most significant reforms, it might well have been the most important of all. Australia takes for granted a network of strong federal and state electoral commissions that operate the elections, as well as their funding, and that stand as a bulwark against creeping modern fascism. ... continues https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/12/16/australian-electoral-commission-trump-kohler/ |
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TJMitchell
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The Grat Man reveals he got a booster shot and gets booed. The Frankenstein effect. Even Victor can't control the monster he's created.
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Time is a flat circle
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Passing Through
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The Georgia Senate elections last November showed how little control he has over his monster.
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Compared it to the Spanish flu of 1917. Nobody has told him in 3 years...1918?
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Tlazolteotl
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Trump's losing his antivaxxer cred despite his best efforts not to encourage vaccination for his dummies.
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The reality of the disproportionate rate of unvaxxed people dying being Republicans is starting to hit some GQPers. MAGA not listening.
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The USA is surely knackered. This from the Washington Post:
Well-funded allies of the former president have gained audiences with top state officials to push for examinations of the vote, and local residents have bombarded election administrators with their own demands to investigate. |
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TJMitchell
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Got into a...discussion with a lovely person today about certain things, masks. Was making some ok points until they linked to a website where one their quotes had come from.
I spent all of 2 minutes on the website and came across this:- "It seems like an age ago now, but the year actually began with hope that the 2020 US presidential election could be 'un-rigged' " 12 paragraphs of gibberish. The best part? This is the page it's from Merry Christmas to All Our Readers! Donate Here to Receive Your 2022 SOTT Desktop Calendar "...readers who donate can select a copy of this unique Sott.net 2022 desktop (A5) calendar (for donations of 30 USD and above), featuring a selection of images and insightful quotes from great thinkers" Amazing
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Tlazolteotl
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The ‘Shared Psychosis’ of Donald Trump and His Loyalistshttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shared-psychosis-of-donald-trump-and-his-loyalists/ What attracts people to Trump? What is their animus or driving force? The reasons are multiple and varied, but in my recent public-service book, Profile of a Nation, I have outlined two major emotional drives: narcissistic symbiosis and shared psychosis. Narcissistic symbiosis refers to the developmental wounds that make the leader-follower relationship magnetically attractive. The leader, hungry for adulation to compensate for an inner lack of self-worth, projects grandiose omnipotence—while the followers, rendered needy by societal stress or developmental injury, yearn for a parental figure. When such wounded individuals are given positions of power, they arouse similar pathology in the population that creates a “lock and key” relationship. “Shared psychosis”—which is also called “folie à millions” [“madness for millions”] when occurring at the national level or “induced delusions”—refers to the infectiousness of severe symptoms that goes beyond ordinary group psychology. When a highly symptomatic individual is placed in an influential position, the person’s symptoms can spread through the population through emotional bonds, heightening existing pathologies and inducing delusions, paranoia and propensity for violence—even in previously healthy individuals. The treatment is removal of exposure. |
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Tlazolteotl
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What do you think will happen to his supporters? If we handle the situation appropriately, there will be a lot of disillusionment and trauma. And this is all right—they are healthy reactions to an abnormal situation. We must provide emotional support for healing, and this includes societal support, such as sources of belonging and dignity. Cult members and victims of abuse are often emotionally bonded to the relationship, unable to see the harm that is being done to them. After a while, the magnitude of the deception conspires with their own psychological protections against pain and disappointment. This causes them to avoid seeing the truth. And the situation with Trump supporters is very similar. The danger is that another pathological figure will come around and entice them with a false “solution” that is really a harnessing of this resistance. |
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Tlazolteotl
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Donald Trump and his family fleeced America: Why aren’t they being held accountable?Pulitzer-winning reporter David Cay Johnston on the criminal Trump regime: "This was thievery, plain and simple" |
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I see Donald has found his way into the William Pike thread. He certainly gets around.
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Well, when he says something that is 100% correct and it might save hundreds of thousands of lives he should be acknowledged.
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Tell me what you think a venn diagram that had trumpanzees and anti vaxxers,would look like….
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Fair point, Rusty. Lots of people who obsessively mistrust all govt, media etc would have chosen Trump over Hillary, the Dems, mainstream media etc. Trump was never anti-vaccine though. Remember "warp speed"? He didn't say to drink bleach or stick torches up your butt either. The Venn diagram would have more than 2 circles, and some would overlap, of course.
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Tlazolteotl
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'It's going to disappear': |
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Sean Hannity ''invited'' to give evidence to the Jan6 Committee. His(and Trump) lawyer jumping up and down over freedom of press constitutional issues. Of course they are.
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