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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hello Sunshine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 11:46am
Surely there is enough incentive to be vaccinated.
Otherwise you take your chances.
Unfair a few should hold Australia up.
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Oh Whoa is me.......The QLD Police union is taking action against the GOV as they DONT want mandated vaccinations.......Oh Dear God, what are we to do, the Police are challenging the Godfathers......this is going to get ugly isn't it? The law you see is on the coppers side and all the fools and yes there are plenty think they can force their will on us, those that grew up seeing what Thalidomide did to thousands of Mums and Bubs...........at last, common sense and decency.......#gotheboysinblue
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If I was a copper, I would want every vax I could get, including rabies , seeing some of the scum they have to deal with.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Passing Through Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 1:33pm
It is inevitable that legal action take place. 

Where there is an anti/hesitant vaxxer, there will be a lawyer saying they can defend/test your rights for an exorbitant fee. 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Looking at the percentages of populations who have been heavily infected and are now getting higher levels of vaccination(mix of natural and vaccine immunity)of around 80%, who are seeing their cases fall, like India(much more infection), Spain and Portugal, endemicity is looking likely to control this.

Just wonder though how our extremely low level of infection will see us fare over the next few years?

 You are sounding very like Macca in this post. I had to check who posted it.

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Originally posted by Bonjour Bonjour wrote:

Oh Whoa is me.......The QLD Police union is taking action against the GOV as they DONT want mandated vaccinations.......Oh Dear God, what are we to do, the Police are challenging the Godfathers......this is going to get ugly isn't it? The law you see is on the coppers side and all the fools and yes there are plenty think they can force their will on us, those that grew up seeing what Thalidomide did to thousands of Mums and Bubs...........at last, common sense and decency.......#gotheboysinblue

 there will always be loopholes for people to dodge getting vaxed.

 Conscientious objection is an old excuse...

 
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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Looking at the percentages of populations who have been heavily infected and are now getting higher levels of vaccination(mix of natural and vaccine immunity)of around 80%, who are seeing their cases fall, like India(much more infection), Spain and Portugal, endemicity is looking likely to control this.

Just wonder though how our extremely low level of infection will see us fare over the next few years?


 You are sounding very like Macca in this post. I had to check who posted it.

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No kidding.
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  It's so refreshing to have a thread which doesn't deal with science-fiction theories.

 Macca is welcome to post, so long as he sends flowers, first.

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Scomo: "People want their jobs back. People don't want money handed to them..."

 translation: "I want my future pension to be paid for by all that lovely GST..."

 Scomo: "We managed to obtain one million Moderna doses from EU..."

 translation: "They were the only ones who answered my phone call. I'm blocked on Biden's phone."

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Joe thinks his phone is a microwave.
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You aren't obsessed though, are you stayer?
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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Scomo: "People want their jobs back. People don't want money handed to them..."

 translation: "I want my future pension to be paid for by all that lovely GST..."

 Scomo: "We managed to obtain one million Moderna doses from EU..."

 translation: "They were the only ones who answered my phone call. I'm blocked on Biden's phone."

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I wonder if he understands the link between the botched vaccination program and people not being able to get their jobs back?
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 that's too much logic for his pea-brain...

 
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 a very good programme on SBS, about the making of all the vaccines.

 talking to the actual clinicians...

 
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Interesting non peer reviewed study from Israel on Pfizer boosters.

 BNT162b2(Pfizer) vaccine booster dose protection: A nationwide study from Israel

Abstract 

Background: On July 30, 2021, a third (booster) dose of the Pfizer BNT162b2 vaccine was approved in Israel for individuals 60 years or older who had been fully vaccinated (i.e., received two doses) at least five months previously. Here, we estimate the reduction in relative risk for confirmed infection and severe COVID-19 provided by the booster dose. 

Methods: 1,144,690 individuals aged 60y and older who were eligible for a booster dose were followed between July 30 and August 22, 2021. We defined dynamic cohorts where individuals initially belong to the ‘non-booster’ cohort, leave it when receiving the booster dose and join the ‘booster’ cohort 12 days later. Rates of infection and severe COVID-19 outcomes per person-days at risk were compared between the cohorts using Poisson regression, adjusting for possible confounding factors. 

Results: Twelve days or more after the booster dose we found an 11.4-fold (95% CI: [10.0, 12.9]) decrease in the relative risk of confirmed infection, and a >10-fold decrease in the relative risk of severe illness. Under a conservative sensitivity analysis, we find ?5-fold protection against confirmed infection. 

Conclusions: In conjunction with safety reports, this study demonstrates the effectiveness of a third vaccine dose in both reducing transmission and severe disease and indicates the great potential of curtailing the Delta variant resurgence by administering booster shots.

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The latest science from North America indicates that booster vaccines are useful and helpful in preventing severe disease and death in people over 60 and immunocompromised people.  Not enough data yet to say yes/no on people between 12-60.

Which is....unsurprising, really.  Annoying to awful for people who cannot handle jabs (and I'm not throwing shade at people who are), but not surprising.


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Yes as I posted a few times the CDC and FDA are pumping the brakes on boosters outside vulnerable groups who may not get enough antibodies created from the two. It is the White House frustrated at strong vaccine resistance that is pushing boosters to fortify all double vaccinated people from breakthrough COVID due to the large amount of active virus generated by that unvaccinated 25%.
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Originally posted by Kimberley Mine Kimberley Mine wrote:

The latest science from North America indicates that booster vaccines are useful and helpful in preventing severe disease and death in people over 60 and immunocompromised people.  Not enough data yet to say yes/no on people between 12-60.

Which is....unsurprising, really.  Annoying to awful for people who cannot handle jabs (and I'm not throwing shade at people who are), but not surprising.



 I've had so many needles in my life, I don't even turn a hair at getting one.

 When I had DVT, the pathologist used to take at least four goes to find a vein to draw blood. I would just sit patiently until it was done.  It's amazing how you get used to things if you don't pre-worry about them.

 As I told my needle phobia daughter: "The jab takes all of ten seconds, the worry over it takes control of your sanity. Just don't think about it and get the bloody thing done." 

 She gets tattoos, with little worry. Figure that out.

   
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Tattoos dont have microchips.

My niece is the same.
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Those covid jabs are a whole different beast though, right JJ?
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 especially with an extra long needle and a sadistic needle-giver...Embarrassed
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I had the first one and never even felt it
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 My daughter just returned from shopping at Pacific Square, Maroubra Junction. She said she couldn't buy our bread from Baker's Delight, because it was closed for cleaning, with a possible covid contact. The sushi place nearby was also closed for the same reason. Both stores are directly next to Coles, so one might assume whomever caused those two stores to close, might have also been there...or at any other of the dozen or more stores in the complex. 

 I immediately looked on the NSW health site, but there was no mention of any contamination at this shopping complex. (It has been a site of contamination in the past) Nevertheless, if you google Covid cases by postcode, Maroubra and its surrounding suburbs are listed as having 31 cases, today, and 177 for the week. 

So, is NSW health not keeping up? Or have they given up on Sydney, itself. Its site is cluttered with endless country sites of contamination, but virtually none in Sydney. 

The site I managed to get my information from, had this disclaimer: *Many cases aren’t uploaded by NSW Health within 1 day, meaning today’s numbers appear lower than their final values."

 So, NSW health is delivering to this site, but not on their own one.

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Case locations in metropolitan Sydney

In metropolitan Sydney, contact tracing will now focus on people potentially exposed to a case:

  • in their household
  • at work
  • in a high-risk facility, such as:
    • healthcare or aged care facility
    • school
    • childcare centre
    • any location where transmission has been identified or is considered to be likely to occur.
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Didn't NSW stop updating exposure sites a while ago?
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No, they still do it but there may be a delay, not in real time, and not every site is listed. Seems to only be more serious ones with thousands a week possible if they wanted to do them all.

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NSW is at the stage that contact tracers are overwhelmed. If they just listed everything on suspicion, there wouldn't be anything left open at all.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

No, they still do it but there may be a delay, not in real time, and not every site is listed. Seems to only be more serious ones with thousands a week possible if they wanted to do them all.


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Didn't NSW stop updating exposure sites a while ago?

 they are certainly updating exposure sites in country towns.

 There are hundreds of them
  
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