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MORNING MOOD (AUS)Bay filly 2014 
Bel Esprit
Bay 1999
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Flaming Page
Bay 1959
Bull Page
Flaring Top
1947
1947
4-m
8-f
Crimson Saint
Chestnut 1969
Crimson Satan
Chestnut 1959
Spy Song
Papila
1943
1943
2-o
26>
Bolero Rose
Chestnut 1958
Bolero
First Rose
1946
1946
6-a
8-c
Bespoken
Brown 1990
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Chestnut 1952
Court Martial
Sans Tares
1942
1939
1-p
13-c
Elated
Bay 1957
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
Vin d'Amour
Bay 1981
Adios
Bay 1970
Silly Season
Angello
1962
1962
1-g
6-f
Gliteren
Chestnut 1969
Final Orders
Sunny Gold
1963
1957
2-c
34>
Fargo
Bay 1999
Keltrice
Bay 1990
Kenmare
Grey 1975
Kalamoun
Grey 1970
Zeddaan
Khairunissa
1965
1960
11-g
9-c
Belle of Ireland
Chestnut 1964
Milesian
Belle of the Ball
1953
1958
22-a
1-m
Vain Display
Chestnut 1981
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Toltrice
Bay 1969
Matrice
Tolaldo
1951
1960
7-d
43>
Glacial Lass
Bay 1993
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Jesmond Lass
Chestnut 1975
Lunchtime
Beautiful Dreamer
1970
1967
7-f
14>
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Love Song
Grey 1976
Warpath
Folk Song
1969
1968
21-a
1-p
 Ancestor duplications:Vain3f x 4f,4f




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Miss Scandilous (AUS) 2012
 Life Number: AUS01058371bay or brown mareDate of Birth: 02/11/2012 
 Microchip Number: 985100012022304DNA Typed: Y 
 by Magnus (AUS) 2002 
 from Midnight Blues (AUS) 2004 
 bred by Mr RJ Crabtree, Vic 
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Service Date
SireComment
201905/12/2018Moshe (AUS)Pending Certification of Paternity

Unnamed  
Moshe (AUS)
Bay or brown 2007
Bel Esprit
Bay 1999
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Crimson Saint
Chestnut 1969
Crimson Satan
Bolero Rose
1959
1958
26>
8-c
Bespoken
Brown 1990
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Vin d'Amour
Bay 1981
Adios
Gliteren
1970
1969
6-f
34>
Helsinge
Bay 2001
Desert Sun
Bay 1988
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Foreign Courier
1977
1979
7-a
A4
Solar
Chestnut 1973
Hotfoot
L'Anguissola
1966
1967
1-w
10-b
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Easy Date
1970
1977
7-f
20-a
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Love Song
1966
1976
A10
1-p
Miss Scandilous (AUS)
Bay or brown 2012
Magnus
Bay 2002
Flying Spur
Bay 1992
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Razyana
1977
1981
7-a
2-d
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Grand Luxe
1970
1974
13-c
4-g
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Easy Date
1970
1977
7-f
20-a
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Love Song
1966
1976
A10
1-p
Midnight Blues
Brown 2004
Distant Music
Bay 1997
Distant View
Chestnut 1991
Mr Prospector
Seven Springs
1970
1982
13-c
16-a
Musicanti
Bay 1991
Nijinsky
Populi
1967
1975
8-f
4-f
Midnight Sun
Grey 1995
Western Symphony
Bay 1981
Nijinsky
Millicent
1967
1969
8-f
22-d
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Love Song
1966
1976
A10
1-p
 Ancestor duplications:Nijinsky4m x 5f,5m Vain4f,5f x 5f,5f Danzig5m x 5m 
  Scandinavia3f x 3m Song of Norway4f x 4f,4f Mr Prospectorx 5f,5m




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The stallions and stallion prospects from the family

All Too Hard
Lionhearted
Moshe
Magnus
Typhon


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Heart Breaker
Ole Kirk





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It's possible to over-egg the cake.

Four foals by Magnus from Midnight Blues and none of them much good at all.

Mind you Robert Crabtree is the major shareholder in Magnus and owns Midnight Blues outright so can please himself.
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Originally posted by Grey Affair Grey Affair wrote:

Ole Kirk just won the LR Talindert Stakes on debut at Flemington. He is by Written Tycoon x Naturale, by Be Esprit x Helsinge.



.... and now has the Gp1 Golden Rose in his resume!
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Terrific result, and an early pick-up by you.  Thumbs Up

Helsinge family as you identify, with a triple of Vain.  What do you know, Black Caviar from the same family with just a double of Vain.  In both cases with Danehill nowhere in sight.
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Loved the triple Vain.  I'm sure you did also SC>
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

The stallions and stallion prospects from the family

All Too Hard
Lionhearted
Moshe exported to Thailand
Magnus
Typhon
Prince of Caviar at Benalla @$4400 See the Stallions in Vic pinned thread.


Hanseatic
Heart Breaker
Ole Kirk

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Value skyrocketed now he's a Caulfield Guineas winner, the stallion maker race. So dominant as well. Ole Ole Ole
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Djebel, If you wouldnt mind could you put up a pedigree of OLE KIRK over SCANDIMANIA? I think i just want to see the six x VAIN

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Unnamed  
Ole Kirk (AUS)
Brown 2017
Written Tycoon
Chestnut 2002
Iglesia
Brown 1995
Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983
Try My Best
Mill Princess
1975
1977
8-f
8-c
Yodells
Chestnut 1988
Marscay
Yodelling Lady
1979
1979
4-m
1-c
Party Miss
Brown 1991
Kenmare
Grey 1975
Kalamoun
Belle of Ireland
1970
1964
9-c
1-m
Miss Entertainer
Chestnut 1975
Vain
Viveza
1966
1967
A10
18>
Naturale
Bay 2012
Bel Esprit
Bay 1999
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Crimson Saint
1967
1969
8-f
8-c
Bespoken
Brown 1990
Vain
Vin d'Amour
1966
1981
A10
34>
Helsinge
Bay 2001
Desert Sun
Bay 1988
Green Desert
Solar
1983
1973
A4
10-b
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Song of Norway
1984
1982
20-a
1-p
Scandimania (AUS)
Bay 2012
Magnus
Bay 2002
Flying Spur
Bay 1992
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Razyana
1977
1981
7-a
2-d
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Grand Luxe
1970
1974
13-c
4-g
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Easy Date
1970
1977
7-f
20-a
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Love Song
1966
1976
A10
1-p
Belleluia
Bay or brown 2006
Bel Esprit
Bay 1999
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Crimson Saint
1967
1969
8-f
8-c
Bespoken
Brown 1990
Vain
Vin d'Amour
1966
1981
A10
34>
Song of the Sun
Grey 2000
Desert Sun
Bay 1988
Green Desert
Solar
1983
1973
A4
10-b
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Love Song
1966
1976
A10
1-p
 Ancestor duplications:Vain5f,5f x 5f,5f,5f Bel Esprit3f x 3f Desert Sun4f x 4f 
  Scandinavia4f x 3m Song of Norway5f x 4f,4f    
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Who owns what, is this a possibility?
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To be truthful I hope not.  Fairly certain Bel Esprit had bad legs and they had to operate.  That close could be a problem.  Even Black Caviar was built like a tank but had issues keeping her racing soundly.
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Yep I knew about the legs, but not the actual problem. It was what stopped us using him, as we were breeding to race and soundness was a top priority. He’s a prolific sire though, wonder what the attrition rate was
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Moshe throws well documented wind problems but I don't know about Bel Esprit; his kness would be enough to put me off duplicating within 5 gens.
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It seems wind problems are all over the shop.  I often wonder if dry or wet seasons when they are foals could also cause this?  It doesn't seem restricted to one line afterall.
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Shavings imo, I detest the use of them, very rare issues of wind problems in my early years, 99% of trainers used straw then, of course drought , the rising costs of wages etc. have eliminated the use these days, dust is the greatest enemy of the boxed horse, but I reiterate these are my opinions fwiw.
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Absolutely agree about the dust Carioca.  That and behavioral issues when they can't spent time outside in a yard.
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Shavings imo, I detest the use of them, very rare issues of wind problems in my early years, 99% of trainers used straw then, of course drought , the rising costs of wages etc. have eliminated the use these days, dust is the greatest enemy of the boxed horse, but I reiterate these are my opinions fwiw.


Suspect it is a popular opinion, makes 100% sense.




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All the mail I've received centres around only 2 stallions in Vic & it comes from those in receipt of retired gallopers, many unraced due to this issue. The only older one mentioned was Umatilla whose stock would have been bedded on straw Smile
Moshe has been exported but the other is still active, hence the withholding of his ID.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Shavings imo, I detest the use of them, very rare issues of wind problems in my early years, 99% of trainers used straw then, of course drought , the rising costs of wages etc. have eliminated the use these days, dust is the greatest enemy of the boxed horse, but I reiterate these are my opinions fwiw.


Suspect it is a popular opinion, makes 100% sense.
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If you go to the races you can pick the ones that still use straw.  Some are standing in the stuff there as well.  Don't know whether that carries on to there stables but quite possibly.  Usually trained by Bart.
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I do so agree Djebel, a real throw at the stumps, but what a result
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I did a deep dive into Love Song's family, similar to how I did for Pierro.  There are three horses who are not super-common in pedigrees yet they occur repeatedly in her best descendants:

Conjure (m. 1895, Juggler ex Connie)
Kong (m. 1933, Baytown ex Clang)
and possibly Torpoint (m. 1900, Trenton (NZ) ex Doncaster Beauty)

The more crosses to one of these horses, the more successful (on average) the runners.

Love Song, Song of Norway's dam, traces in tail-female to Conjure via her daughter Third Trick and her daughter Pinprick (by Torpoint).  This line produced quality runners and stakes winners until the early 1960s, when production waned.  Love Song being bred in Denmark is a sign of this.  I believe that Love Song's line is the only branch of Third Trick left running on the flat -- there are some other descendants in Europe who are chasing.  Love Song is the first in her family to have a line to Kong, via Grey Sovereign.

Of Love Song's three fillies, Song of Norway got the most of the best from Vain: two crosses to Conjure via Third Trick's full sister Winkipop via Court Martial and Denis' Boy. 

Scandinavia and Bit of a Ride, both sired by Snippets, get an injection of Grey Sovereign via Grand Chaudiere and an injection of Third Trick via Lunchtime's broodmare sire Hornbeam.  Lunchtime also brings in a line to Torpoint. Both these mares produced very good horses in Magnus, Boom Time, and Arctic Flight.  I'm interpreting some of this as the tie-in to Alcibiades via Snippets and Sir Ivor, and possibly Torpoint via Chop Chop.    

Bel Esprit's female line is where things really get interesting.  Not only does he have 2 more crosses to Conjure from Vain, he has a line to Kong through Adios, a son of Silly Season (so, also more Menow/Alcibiades), via the mare Angola who is a close genetic sibling of Grey Sovereign.  Up top, he has lots of Menow and now more Torpoint via the mare Torpenhow.  This is the cross of Black Caviar and Moshe.

All Too Hard and Ole Kirk have common ancestors in Last Tycoon and Kenmare.  Kenmare brings in Kong via Grey Sovereign, Last Tycoon's sire Try My Best traces in tail-female to Torpenhow, and Written Tycoon has extra crosses to Vain and his sire Wilkes (through the awkwardly named Bogan Road).

Through the Lover's Chariot branch of the family, there's the aforementioned Magnus, and a good mare named Miss Norway.  Miss Norway is by Reward for Effort, who has both Wilkes and Grey Sovereign through Rory's Jester.

The moral to all of this, I suppose, is that if you have a Written Tycoon or Iglesia mare, or perhaps a mare with Palace Music, Magnus might be a very good choice of stallions.  And Written Tycoon might be a very good choice of stallion for Black Caviar.
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Love your deep dives KM. I'm fascinated by pedigrees but they're mostly way over my head (yes, intended) Appreciate your accessible posts and humour. May you have many more idle hours to enlighten us Big smile
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Coincidentally, Kristen Manning touched on the Silly Season aspect in a post yesterday.

An excellent 77.3% strike rate for the Magnus/Bel Esprit (both Sun Stud residents) combo - not only does this result in a cross of the legendary but one also of the somewhat undervalued Silly Season - grandsire of Magnus' dam sire Snippets and sire of Bel Esprit's second dam sire Adios

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Quote Love your deep dives KM. I'm fascinated by pedigrees but they're mostly way over my head (yes, intended) Appreciate your accessible posts and humour. May you have many more idle hours to enlighten us Big smile 

You're welcome.  Working from home = less time spent commuting = more time to do interesting things.

On humour and horse names: If you literally translate the name of the stallion Grand Chaudiere, bred in Canada and owned by Windfields Farm, you get "Big Teapot."  At first blush, one might wonder about his temper. One might also wonder about his overall size, given that he's by Northern Dancer and the French word for a large kettle is "Samovar."  (In the French-language translation of Disney's Beauty and the Beast, Mrs. Potts = Madame Samovar.  Now you know.  :D )  But because this horse is Canadian, his name refers to something else entirely.

During the D-Day invasions, the Canadian army regiments went ashore at Juno beach.  The locals in Normandy were thrilled and relieved to see the Germans evicted and thoroughly confused to find their rescuers speaking French with a funny accent and even more confused to find their brave regiments to be named La Regiment des Chaudieres. After both groups slowed their speech down enough to be mutually intelligible, the Quebecois explained that they are named after La Chute-des-Chaudieres, a waterfall near Quebec City.  https://www.bonjourquebec.com/en-us/listing/things-to-do/sports-and-nature/regional-parks/parc-des-chutes-de-la-chaudiere-5638549

Grand Chaudiere is named after the largest of the waterfalls at La Chute-des-Chaudieres.  Easy Date is his most consequential offspring by far. 

Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Coincidentally, Kristen Manning touched on the Silly Season aspect in a post yesterday.

An excellent 77.3% strike rate for the Magnus/Bel Esprit (both Sun Stud residents) combo - not only does this result in a cross of the legendary but one also of the somewhat undervalued Silly Season - grandsire of Magnus' dam sire Snippets and sire of Bel Esprit's second dam sire Adios


Magnus' top ten earners:

Malaguerra -- 2nd dam by Whiskey Road (Nijinsky), 3rd dam by Vain, 4th dam by Regal Light (Grey Sovereign) with a cross to the mare Black Ray (I'll get to her in a minute)
Magnifisio -- dam by a son of Success Express (Nijinsky + Tom Fool)
Great Shot -- broodmare sire has Sir Ivor + Hornbeam
Streets of Avalon -- Nijinsky via Black Minnaloushe, Wilkes + GS via Rory's Jester, 4th dam by Sovereign Path
Malibu Style -- Nijinsky + Black Ray via Western Symphony, GS via Beau Sovereign
Mahamedeis -- Sir Ivor via Elusive Quality
Miss Promiscuity -- Nijinsky and Lyphard (Court Martial) via Distant Music, 3rd dam by GS-line horse
Kemalpasa -- only Black Ray via Bianconi (Khaled)
Halvorsen -- dam by Not a Single Doubt (Rory's Jester, Grand Chaudiere, Hornbeam, Nijinsky), 2nd dam by Noalcoholic (Buchan, Court Martial)
Magnapal --  Sir Ivor via Sir T in 1st dam

All four of his Gr-1 winners have multiple crosses to at least one of the top linebreeding nicks for Song of Norway.

About the mare Black Ray (m. 1919, Black Jester - Lady Brilliant, by Sunbridge): she is a genetic sibling to Vibration (m. 1918, Black Jester - Radiancy, by Sunbridge) and when she appears in a pedigree, particularly with Nasrullah, she "substitues" quite well for Kong.  Her best-known modern descendants are Blushing Groom and Mill Reef, tracing to the full sisters Emali and Infra Red.   She is also present in Last Tycoon (and therefore Written Tycoon and Casino Prince) via Mill Reef.


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