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Majestic
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Posted: 23 May 2020 at 11:12pm |
what mare has produced most number of Gp1’s and On another topic most Gp winners? This asks for 2 different mares. And Gp/Gp1 in Australia/NZ AND separately international Arenas. So 4 answers.
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furious
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I have grandaughter over so will try and remember this on monday
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Grey Affair
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Is that since pattern racing was introduced or do earlier races that were subsequently recognised as Gp1 count? |
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Grey Affair
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Eight Carat would have a very good record of producing Gp1 winners. |
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VSP.
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Eight Carat leads the way on the local scene - 5 Gr 1 winners
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VSP.
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Overseas Hasili also threw 5 G1 winners.
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Progold
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Teppo produced 7 stakes winners pre Group racing
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Carioca
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Sunbride.?
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Dunno Carioca, however she certainly was a marvelous broodmare.
Dahlia, La Troienne and Urban Sea also come to mind in the NH, but maybe wouldn't stack up to Majestic's criteria.
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Hunza produced 5 stakes winners , 2 x G1's , for 18 stakes wins according to the stud book .
In Australia , Eau D'Etoile had 3 G1 winners - Filante , Bint Marscay and Kenny's Best Pal. In NZ according to Inbreeding to Superior Females Russmussen Factor , Dulcie(NZ) produced 4 x G1 winners . |
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There are three types of lies - Lies ,Damn Lies and Statistics
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furious
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I've not finished looking but here are the first I've found
Sappho – 6 G1 stakes
winners Kingsborough – AJC Derby, AJC Sires’ Produce S, AJC Champagne
S, Melbourne S (L K S Mackinnon S) Lecturer – AJC Sires’ Produce S, AJC Champagne S Nellie – AJC Derby, AJC Sires’ Produce S Phaon – Epsom H Savanaka – Sydney Cup, Australian Cup Spinningdale – AJC Sires’ Produce S, AJC Champagne S Eight Carat – 5 G1 stakes
winners Octagonal – AJC Derby, W S Cox Plate, Rosehill Guineas,
Canterbury Guineas, Chipping Norton S, Underwood S, Australian Cup Diamond Lover – ARC Railway H Kaapstad – VRC Sires’ Peoduce, Ascot Vale S Marquise – Captain Cook S Mouawad – Australian Guineas, Futurity S, George Ryder S Eternal City – 4 G1 stakes
winners & 2 others Caesar – Queen Elizabeth S, Chipping Norton S Prince Delville – AJC Derby, Doomben Cup Redeswood – AJC Flight S Valerius – Brisbane Cup, Chipping Norton S Fort William (1) Roman Holiday (1) Molly’s Robe 4 G1 stakes
winners Lord Cardigan – Melbourne Cup, Sydney Cup & AJC
Plate (Queen Elizabeth S) Lady Rylstone – VRC Oaks, AJC Champagne S Dividend – AJC Plate (Queen Elizabeth S) Strata Florida – Caulfield Guineas Juliet 4 G1 winners
& 1 other stakes winner Benvolio – AJC Derby Charon – VRC Derby, AJC Derby Sylvia – VRC Oaks The Hook – Doncaster H & Chrysolite –
SA St Leger S Witty Maid 4 G1 stakes
winners Comic Court
– Melbourne Cup, Turnbull S, VRC Derby, LKS Mackinnon S (twice), Caulfield S, C
F Orr S, William
Reid S, Craiglee S, Memsie S (twice) Gay Comedy –
SA Oaks Comedy
Prince – William Reid S, Cantala S St Comedy –
Goodwood H Copra 4 G1 stakes winners Camoola – VRC Derby, AJC Derby, Caulfield S, Oakleigh P,
Ascot Vale S Cobbity – Caulfield Guineas Cocos – VRC Derby Coil – VRC Sires’ Produce, Oakleigh P, Australian Cup,
AJC Champagne S Teppo 4 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Thrice – AJC Champagne S, AJC Sires’ Produce, VRC Sires’
Produce, Caulfield Guineas, Ascot Vale S Isa – VRC Sires Produce S, Ascot Vale S Volpi – Railway H (George Ryder) Deneb – Ascot Vale S Elkin – G2 Trey – G2 Three (1 race) Dark Jewel 3 G1 stakes
winners & 2 others Baguette – Golden Slipper S, Champagne S, AJC Sires’ Produce,
George Main S, Doomben 10,000, Canterbury S Cabochon – Epsom H, Canterbury S, Stradbroke H Heirloom – 1000 Guineas Betelgeuse (2 stakes races) Birthright – Maribyrnong Plate Olga 3 G1 stakes winners
& 2 others Patron – Melbourne Cup, VRC Sires’ Produce S, Caulfield
Guineas Patroness – Sydney Cup Ruenalf – Melbourne S (L K S MacKinnon S) Emmie (1) Patronage (1) Fair Ellen 3 G1 stakes
winners & 2 others Freestone – Ascot Vale S, VRC Sires’ Produce S Lady Ellen – Newmarket H Toryboy – Melbourne Cup Troy – (G3) Maidstone (1) Lady Vivian 3 G1 stakes
winners & 2 others Corvette – AJC Oaks Vigorous – Doncaster H Volley – Champagne S, VRC Sires’ Produce, Caulfield Guineas,
Ascot Vale S Valorous (1) Vivian – (2 G2’s) Etra Weenie (Grandaughter
of above Sappho) 3 G1 stakes winners & 1 other Diffidence – Sydney Cup Merriwee – VRC Derby, Melbourne Cup Posadas – Champagne S Wigelmar – (1) Taiona 3 G1 winners
& 1 other Gurner’s Lane – Caulfield Cup, Melbourne Cup Sovereign Red – Western Mail Classic, Australian Derby,
Underwood S, Caulfield Guineas, Rothman’s 100,000, VRC
Derby Trichelle – Marlboro Cup Queen’s Choice (1) Bonnie Rosette – 3 G1 stakes
winners & 1 other Bonnie Chiel – Toorak H Kinglike – Caulfield Guineas Mountain King – AJC Derby, All-Age S, VRC Derby, Rawson
S & Scottish King – (3 stakes including G2) The Begum – 3 G1 stakes
winners & 1 other High Caste – Ascot Vale S, C F Orr S, Caulfield Guineas,
Futurity S, Champagne S, Rosehill Guineas, Caulfield S, Epsom H, VRC Sires’ Produce
S etc Nizam – Manawatu Sires Produce S Stretto – ARC Railway H Nawab – (3) Formo – 3 G1 stakes
winners & 1 other Forma – ARC Railway H Multiform – CJC Derby S Uniform – CJC Derby S Forme – (dual G2) Cinnamon 3 G1 winners Abercorn – AJC Derby, Sires’ Produce S, Metropolitan S, AJC
Plate (Queen Elizabeth) Condiment – Ascot Vale S Spice – VRC Oaks, AJC Oaks, Ascot Vale S French Gem 2 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Beau Gem – VRC Derby, Underwood S (twice), Turnbull S Royal Rem – Caufield Guineas, Goodwood H, Caufield Cup,
Toorak H, Futurity S, Catala S, Newmarket H, Underwood S Crown Gem (2 stakes races) Regal Gem (2 stakes races) Solar Gem (2 stakes races) Eulogy 2 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Commendation – NZ Derby, Great Northern Derby Praise – NZ Oaks Epitaph (4 stakes races) Eulalie (3 stakes races) Humbug (4 stakes races) My Tricia 2 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Grosvenor - VRC
Sires’ Produce S, VRC Derby, Caulfield Guineas National Gallery – WA Derby Kyrie Eleison (G3) Garfunkel (1) My Marseillaise (1) Idle Words 2 G1 stakes
winners & 2 others Shannon – George Main S (twice), Epsom H, Canterbury S,
Hollywood Gold Cup Bernbrook – Doncaster H, Canterbury S Defame – (1 race) Lysander – (1 race) Gazza 2 G1 stakes winners
& 2 others Delta – AJC Derby, VRC Derby, Melbourne Cup, W S Cox
Plate, LKS Mackinnon S, AJC The Metropolitan, Chipping Norton S,
Canterbury Guineas etc Deep River – AJC Derby Christoper Wren – (1) Midway = (1) Overseas Urban Sea – 4 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Galileo – Epsom Derby, Irish Derby, King George VI and
Queen Elizabeth S Black Sam Bellamy – Tattersalls Gold Cup, Gran Premio
del Jockey Club My Typhoon – Diana S Sea the Stars – York International S, The Eclipse S,
2000 Guineas, Epsom Derby, Arc de Triomphe, Irish Champion S All Too Beautiful – (G3 winner & G1 placed) Melikah (LR & G1 placed) Urban Ocean (G2) Selene 3 G1 stakes winners
& 3 others Hyperion – Epsom Derby, Dewhurst S, Prince of Wales S,
St Leger S Night Shift – Yorkshire Oaks Pharamond – Middle Park S Sickle – (SW & G1 placed) Hunters Moon - (SW & 4thEpsom Derby) Guiscard – (1) |
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VSP.
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Wow what a mare Sappho is Furious. I've never seen her credited before. During Eight Carat's time she (Eight Carat) was generally accepted as the world leader but clearly not!
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Ticino
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Hello,
I would like to add some great "German broodmares" historical and comtemporary, because during the last years many of my homebreds were send to your apart of the racing world. Keep in mind opposite to other Thoroughbredracing countries, only 7(!) of your Group Races got a the Number 1 Status. Would you accept daughters/granddaughters of this influential Mares? Best regards, Ticino
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furious
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The world was included so im sure we would all love to heAR about them
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It's hard as she is before G1 credited racing. But the races were the best of the best back in her days also. It is also hard with the early ones as some of the great early races have gone but in there day would of been G1. I disn't credit those but gave some credit to races at G1 level today or known as G1 races when won
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acacia alba
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How many good'uns has Urban Sea produced ?
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animals before people.
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Dizzy
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Well done furious, saves me doing the digging
Edited by Dizzy - 25 May 2020 at 1:15pm |
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furious
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This will do for my efforts. I'm sure there are others but finding them is difficult. Many have two G1 performers but no other. Others have lots of stakes winners but no G1's or only 1. Had to fix one I had the wrong mare attached to Lady Trenton's winners.
Sappho – 6 G1 stakes
winners Kingsborough – AJC Derby, AJC Sires’ Produce S, AJC
Champagne S, Melbourne S (L K S Mackinnon S) Lecturer – AJC Sires’ Produce S, AJC Champagne S Nellie – AJC Derby, AJC Sires’ Produce S Phaon – Epsom H Savanaka – Sydney Cup, Australian Cup Spinningdale – AJC Sires’ Produce S, AJC Champagne S Eight Carat – 5 G1 stakes
winners Octagonal – AJC Derby, W S Cox Plate, Rosehill Guineas,
Canterbury Guineas, Chipping Norton S, Underwood S, Australian Cup Diamond Lover – ARC Railway H Kaapstad – VRC Sires’ Peoduce, Ascot Vale S Marquise – Captain Cook S Mouawad – Australian Guineas, Futurity S, George Ryder S Eternal City – 4 G1
stakes winners & 2 others Caesar – Queen Elizabeth S, Chipping Norton S Prince Delville – AJC Derby, Doomben Cup Redeswood – AJC Flight S Valerius – Brisbane Cup, Chipping Norton S Fort William (1) Roman Holiday (1) Lady Trenton 4 G1 stakes
winners Lord Cardigan – Melbourne Cup, Sydney Cup & AJC
Plate (Queen Elizabeth S) Lady Rylstone – VRC Oaks, AJC Champagne S Dividend – AJC Plate (Queen Elizabeth S) Strata Florida – Caulfield Guineas Juliet 4 G1 winners
& 1 other stakes winner Benvolio – AJC Derby Charon – VRC Derby, AJC Derby Sylvia – VRC Oaks The Hook – Doncaster H & Chrysolite
– SA St Leger S Witty Maid 4 G1 stakes
winners Comic Court
– Melbourne Cup, Turnbull S, VRC Derby, LKS Mackinnon S (twice), Caulfield S, C
F Orr S, William
Reid S, Craiglee S, Memsie S (twice) Gay Comedy
– SA Oaks Comedy
Prince – William Reid S, Cantala S St Comedy –
Goodwood H Copra 4 G1 stakes
winners Camoola – VRC Derby, AJC Derby, Caulfield S, Oakleigh P,
Ascot Vale S Cobbity – Caulfield Guineas Cocos – VRC Derby Coil – VRC Sires’ Produce, Oakleigh P, Australian Cup,
AJC Champagne S Teppo 4 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Thrice – AJC Champagne S, AJC Sires’ Produce, VRC Sires’
Produce, Caulfield Guineas, Ascot Vale S Isa – VRC Sires Produce S, Ascot Vale S Volpi – Railway H (George Ryder) Deneb – Ascot Vale S Elkin – G2 Trey – G2 Three (1 race) Simper 3 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Gold Light – CJC NZ Oaks Razzle Dazzle – CJC NZ Oaks Sir Simper – Toorak H Beacon Light – (G2 & G3) Affectation – (2) Speed Light (1) Steppe 4 G1 stakes winners
& 2 others Russley – Doncaster H Stepfeldt – GN Derby Stepniak – CJC Derby Mahaki – Wellington Cup Lady Norah (G3) Too Soon (1) Dark Jewel 3 G1 stakes
winners & 2 others Baguette – Golden Slipper S, Champagne S, AJC Sires’
Produce, George Main S, Doomben 10,000, Canterbury S Cabochon – Epsom H, Canterbury S, Stradbroke H Heirloom – 1000 Guineas Betelgeuse (2 stakes races) Birthright – Maribyrnong Plate Shantha’s Choice 3 G1
stakes winners & 2 others Redoute’s Choice – Blue Diamond S, Caulfield Guineas, C
F Orr, Manikato S Manhattan Rain – AJC Sires’ Produce S Platinum Scissors – Spring Champion S Sliding Cube (G3) Echoes of Heaven (1) Olga 3 G1 stakes
winners & 2 others Patron – Melbourne Cup, VRC Sires’ Produce S, Caulfield
Guineas Patroness – Sydney Cup Ruenalf – Melbourne S (L K S MacKinnon S) Emmie (1) Patronage (1) Fair Ellen 3 G1 stakes
winners & 2 others Freestone – Ascot Vale S, VRC Sires’ Produce S Lady Ellen – Newmarket H Toryboy – Melbourne Cup Troy – (G3) Maidstone (1) Lady Vivian 3 G1 stakes
winners & 2 others Corvette – AJC Oaks Vigorous – Doncaster H Volley – Champagne S, VRC Sires’ Produce, Caulfield
Guineas, Ascot Vale S Valorous (1) Vivian – (2 G2’s) Our Queen 3 G1 stakes
winners & 2 others Flaith – Memsie Naxbery – Adelaide Cup Seigneur – Perth Cup Sandringham – (G3) Irish Comedy (1) Etra Weenie
(Grandaughter of above Sappho) 3 G1 stakes winners & 1 other Diffidence – Sydney Cup Merriwee – VRC Derby, Melbourne Cup Posadas – Champagne S Wigelmar – (1) Duenna 3 G1 stakes winners
and one other Amberite – AJC Derby, Caulfield Cup, VRC Derby, AJC Plate
(Queen Elizabeth) Dryden – Railway S Flintlock – Perth Cup Acetime (1) Taiona 3 G1 winners
& 1 other Gurner’s Lane – Caulfield Cup, Melbourne Cup Sovereign Red – Western Mail Classic, Australian Derby,
Underwood S, Caulfield Guineas, Rothman’s 100,000, VRC
Derby Trichelle – Marlboro Cup Queen’s Choice (1) Eau d’Etoile – 3 G1 stakes
winners & 1 other Bint Marscay – Golden Slipper Filante – Epsom H, Yalumba S Kenny’s Best Pal – Australian Guineas Eau D’Scay (1) Bonnie Rosette – 3 G1
stakes winners & 1 other Bonnie Chiel – Toorak H Kinglike – Caulfield Guineas Mountain King – AJC Derby, All-Age S, VRC Derby, Rawson
S & Scottish King – (3 stakes including G2) The Begum – 3 G1 stakes
winners & 1 other High Caste – Ascot Vale S, C F Orr S, Caulfield Guineas,
Futurity S, Champagne S, Rosehill Guineas, Caulfield S, Epsom H, VRC Sires’
Produce S etc Nizam – Manawatu Sires Produce S Stretto – ARC Railway H Nawab – (3) Formo – 3 G1 stakes
winners & 1 other Forma – ARC Railway H Multiform – CJC Derby S Uniform – CJC Derby S Forme – (dual G2) Cinnamon 3 G1 winners Abercorn – AJC Derby, Sires’ Produce S, Metropolitan S,
AJC Plate (Queen Elizabeth) Condiment – Ascot Vale S Spice – VRC Oaks, AJC Oaks, Ascot Vale S Parfore – 2 G1 winners
& 3 others Terravista – Darley Classic, Lightning Stakes Tiger Tees – The Galaxy Super Easy – twice Horse of the Year in Singapore
including 2 Singapore G1’s (not on official Cataloguing List) Ball of Muscle – (4 G2’s & G3) Our Lukas (4) French Gem 2 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Beau Gem – VRC Derby, Underwood S (twice), Turnbull S Royal Rem – Caufield Guineas, Goodwood H, Caufield Cup,
Toorak H, Futurity S, Catala S, Newmarket
H, Underwood S Crown Gem (2 stakes races) Regal Gem (2 stakes races) Solar Gem (2 stakes races) Princess Tracy 2 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Danasinga – Stradbroke H Tracy’s Element – 4 G1’s in South Africa Topasannah – (G2) Cullen – (dual G3) Towkay – (G3) Eulogy 2 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Commendation – NZ Derby, Great Northern Derby Praise – NZ Oaks Epitaph (4 stakes races) Eulalie (3 stakes races) Humbug (4 stakes races) My Tricia 2 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Grosvenor - VRC
Sires’ Produce S, VRC Derby, Caulfield Guineas National Gallery – WA Derby Kyrie Eleison (G3) Garfunkel (1) My Marseillaise (1) Kensington Gardens 2 G1
stakes winners & 3 others Blackfriars – VRC Derby Larrocha – S A Oaks Manton – (G2) Waterford Road (3) Lions Gate (1) Hunza 2 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Courtza – Golden Slipper, Blue Diamond Our Pompeii – SA Derby, Adelaide Cup (twice) Fixed Flush (G3) Lost Valley (G3) Hunza Court (3) Our Diamond Lover – 2 G1
stakes winners & 2 others Don Eduardo – AJC Derby Tristalove – AJC Sires’ Produce S, Australasian Oaks Peruzzi – (G2, G3) Antwerp (2) Idle Words 2 G1 stakes winners
& 2 others Shannon – George Main S (twice), Epsom H, Canterbury S,
Hollywood Gold Cup Bernbrook – Doncaster H, Canterbury S Defame – (1 race) Lysander – (1 race) Gazza 2 G1 stakes
winners & 2 others Delta – AJC Derby, VRC Derby, Melbourne Cup, W S Cox
Plate, LKS Mackinnon S, AJC The Metropolitan, Chipping Norton S,
Canterbury Guineas etc Deep River – AJC Derby Christoper Wren – (1) Midway = (1) Mica’s Pride 2 G1 stakes
winners & 2 others Criterion – Australian Derby, Caulfield S, Queen
Elizabeth S, Rosehill Guineas Comin’ Through – Doomben Cup Varenna Miss (G2) Silently (1) Escada 2 G1 stakes winners & 2 others Glamour Puss – Salinger S, Goodwood H Vision and Power – George Ryder S, Doncaster H Rare Insight (G2) Escadaire – (3) Overseas Hasili – 5 G1 winners
& 2 Group winners Banks Hill – Prix Jacques Le Marois, Breeders’ Cup
Filly & Mare Turf, Coronation S Cacique – Man O’War S Champs Elysees – Canadian International Heat Haze – Beverly D S Intercontinental – Breeders’ Cup Filly & Mare Turf Dansili (2 x G3, G1 placed) Deluxe (G3 & G1 placed) Urban Sea – 4 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Galileo – Epsom Derby, Irish Derby, King George VI and
Queen Elizabeth S Black Sam Bellamy – Tattersalls Gold Cup, Gran Premio
del Jockey Club My Typhoon – Diana S Sea the Stars – York International S, The Eclipse S,
2000 Guineas, Epsom Derby, Arc de Triomphe, Irish Champion S All Too Beautiful – (G3 winner & G1 placed) Melikah (LR & G1 placed) Urban Ocean (G2) Selene 3 G1 stakes
winners & 3 others Hyperion – Epsom Derby, Dewhurst S, Prince of Wales S,
St Leger S Night Shift – Yorkshire Oaks Pharamond – Middle Park S Sickle – (SW & G1 placed) Hunters Moon - (SW & 4thEpsom Derby) Guiscard – (1) Feola 3 G1 stakes winners
& 1 other Hypericum – GB 1000 Guineas, Dewhurst S Above Board – Yorkshire Oaks Angelola – Yorkshire Oaks Kingstone (G2) Also dam of Knight’s Daughter dam of Round Table Height of Fashion 2 G1 stakes winners & 3 others Nayef – Champion S, Dubai Sheema Classic, Juddmonte
International, Prince of Wales S Nashwan – 2000 Guineas, Epsom Derby, Eclipse S, King
George VI & Queen Elizabeth S Unfuwain – (G2, G2, G3, G3 & placed in G1) Alwasmi – (G3) Sarayir – (2) Fanfreluche 2 G1 stakes winners & 3 others La Voyageuse – Champion 3yo Filly, Champion Handicap
Mare & Champion Sprinter in Canada, Woodmine Oaks L’Enjoleur – Canadian Horse of the Year and Champion 3yo
Colt Laurel Futurity D’Accord –(G2) Grand Luxe (3) Medaille D’Or – Canadian Champion 2yo (1) |
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Great work furious.
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Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance.
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you are amazing furious. Your knowledge of early to middle last century is truly gobsmacking. Thanks you for your research.
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Gay3
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Kristen Manning
Studying the winners of Australia's 70 plus G1 winners for 2021 - any guesses for what % are the sons and daughters of stakes winning mares? What % out of unraced mares What % out of unplaced mares
30.5% of the 59 individual G1 winners this year are out of stakes winning mares 13.5% out of unraced mares 11.8% out of unplaced mares 62.7% are out of winning mares The entire broodmare population (all levels of race record) produces one stakes winner per 70 foals = 1.4%. Edited by Gay3 - 19 Dec 2021 at 7:24pm |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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You have to remember that unraced or unplaced doesn't necessarily mean no ability. THings go wrong. Horses injury themselves etc etc. Never totally write off a mare because of her record.
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Second Chance
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In truth the bare stats are open to interpretation, if only because it's difficult to take "opportunity" into account.
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I think it's simply another tool in the kit, as is breeding to superior females; we all know it's an inexact science but also, forewarned can be forearmed
Tall poppy syndrome is well & truly alive when it comes to high priced yearlings & breeding stock so personally, I'm not averse to discovering they're not all walkers as some social media antagonists like to insist on. |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Pretty sure Todman's trainer said he used to trip when he walked but now galloping was a different kettle of fish. Words to that effect anyway.
Tall poppy syndrome has been in Australian racing from day one. Why do you think for about 40 years we imported the vast majority of our stallions and ignored anything bred here. Why do you think Tasmania, Queensland and West Australian studs have some lovely mares from families like the Eight Carat, Manto, Eulogy, Juliet, Black Swan female lines etc. Because the big studs want the latest greatest family and toss out the ones that were yesterdays families. Better the other states than Korea or other Asian countries. That is a death sentence for the line coming back. The big money world wide doesn't own them all. Because as Gay3 says its not an exact science. Pedigree, pasture, seasons, management, injury, bad luck, good luck etc etc. So many variables.
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