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Because the Internationals are ridicously weighted that's what why.
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Usually in the Drum Taps etc early days carrying top weight they were hopeless.

Now the Internationals have rethought it and get a dream weight and it's ridiculous.

I expect another lightweight but quality stayer to win.
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Love the mare! Think trainer could quite possibly be vic next top trainer? But also think suprise baby is B grade stayer on world stage! Just has a great trainer
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The Melbourne Cup Miracle
Media Release - Sunday November 3

This is the story of how a horse bought for $5,500 from an online auction will run in the Melbourne Cup at just his 11th race start.

Margaret Falconer’s focus will go from one end of the scale to the other on Tuesday as she switches between Ellerslie and Flemington.

The Cambridge trainer will be at Ellerslie hoping to win a maiden race with the five-year-old Drake Bay, who has been placed in six of his 11 starts.

Like every other racing fan, Falconer’s attention will then zero in on the Gr.1 Melbourne Cup (3200m), but she has more interest in it than most people, having played a significant part in the education of one of the leading hopes, the New Zealand-bred Surprise Baby.

Surprise Baby is by Melbourne Cup winner Shocking - image Grant Courtney

Surprise Baby is by Melbourne Cup winner Shocking - image Grant Courtney

A five-year-old gelding by 2009 Melbourne Cup winner Shocking, Surprise Baby was bred by Rich Hill Thoroughbreds and burst into prominence for the famous Flemington race when guaranteeing a start with his win in the Gr.3 Bart Cummings (2520m) at Flemington last month.

Horsham trainer Paul Preusker has guided Surprise Baby from a successful debut over 1200m on his home track just over 12 months ago to be tackling the Melbourne Cup in just his 11th start with prize money of A$723,735 to his credit.

Surprise Baby has won five times and has already proven himself over two miles, having won the Gr.2 Adelaide Cup in March when defeating Top Of The Range, Mike Moroney’s talented stayer who won Wednesday’s Gr.3 Bendigo Cup (2400m).

Falconer is amazed by Surprise Baby’s incredible climb to the top to contest the holy grail of Australasian racing, remembering the wayward young horse sent to her two years ago by Rich Hill Studmaster John Thompson.

“I got him for one prep after he had been passed in at the Ready To Run Sale,” Falconer said.

Surprise Baby was passed in not once but twice,  as a yearling and again at the Ready to Run

Surprise Baby was passed in not once but twice, as a yearling and again at the Ready to Run

“He wasn’t easy to steer and when you look at his breeze-up for the Ready To Run Sale you can see why he wasn’t sold.

“He wasn’t an easy horse to handle when we got him. He was never dirty, he just needed to be taken along quietly.

“He didn’t have a good mouth and we ended up re-mouthing him and virtually going back to scratch with him.

“The boys spent a bit of time and we got him to the track, up doing half-pace. We never really galloped him, but he always had a good action.

“We probably had him for about three months and he had done enough and needed a break. The next I knew he had been sold.”

Surprise Baby had originally been passed in by Rich Hill Stud at the 2016 New Zealand Bloodstock Select Yearling Sale with a $20,000 reserve and he failed to meet a $35,000 reserve at the 2016 Ready To Run Sale when again offered by the Walton nursery.

“He didn’t breeze up well,” Thompson said. “I put him in work with Margaret Falconer with the idea of winning a trial and getting him sold.

“He proved a bit difficult and he never got to the trials early in his three-year-old season, so I thought we’d missed the boat.”

Rich Hill Stud principal John Thompson (left) with John Fiteni and Kathy Stewart, owners of Surprise Baby.

Rich Hill Stud principal John Thompson (left) with John Fiteni and Kathy Stewart, owners of Surprise Baby.

That’s when Surprise Baby was listed on gavelhouse.com in November 2017 and bought by his Australian part-owner John Fiteni for a mere $5500. Fiteni then got Preusker to come to New Zealand to inspect him and the rest is history.

“I watched his first race and he was pretty erratic that day, too,” Falconer said.

“His trainer has done a great job with him and he has obviously had someone very good to ride him in work and keep him going forward.

“He was a nice, scopey type of horse and was always going to keep developing. He was just mentally immature and needed time.

“We gave him the break when we did because, if we’d kept going, we could have blown his brain.

“He’s obviously an amazingly tough horse. I never imagined he would be running in the Melbourne Cup this year.”

Falconer and her partner, Richie Whitworth, are kept busy with 15 horses in work, five of their own racehorses (headed by recent winner Red Sky At Night) and the remainder being pre-trained.

As well as training, Falconer is a breeder and shareholder in Shocking with a three-year-old filly, three two-year-olds fillies and a yearling colt all by the Rich Hill Stud-based sire waiting in the wings.

“It’ll be great for the New Zealand breeding industry and especially for Shocking if Surprise Baby can emulate him and win the Melbourne Cup,” she said. NZ Racing Desk

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Quote, " He was just mentally immature and needed time" , unquote, never so true whether it be animal, vegetable or mineral, good story, hope he can give them some joy.
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If this horse is not in the finish, I will give up!
Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Well I do not have to give up.

What a cracker of a run and he has still only had two handfuls of runs. If he stays sound he could be the next Skybeau and do five!
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Another year under the belt. Look out
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Absolutely massive run. Next year's favourite?
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The result the Australian racing industry needed.
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Watching the replay, that was an absolutely huge run.
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At start 10 today he’s proven himself as a world class horse with prodigious talent.
Could be anything.
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Originally posted by Summer Regent Summer Regent wrote:

Watching the replay, that was an absolutely huge run.


Wasnt it  !!!    HUGE.    He was a bit closer in the run and what would he have done ?   OMG he came home like a steam train. 
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wonder what the next 12 months holds for him
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What races would they target before next spring? maybe a Brisbane winter campaign could help him?
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Light campaign.

Australian Cup
Manion Handicap
Sydney Cup


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Whatever it takes to make the field with the least weight possible. 
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In otherwords a Lloyd Williams style autumn campaign.

Unwinnable 2 race campaign. 
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

In otherwords a Lloyd Williams style autumn campaign.

Unwinnable 2 race campaign. 


That would be the plan if you only want to win one race and have enough eggs to make putting them all in one basket a sound plan. But if you only have one horse you probably want to win any big race you can when you can.
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Agree whole heartedly.
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If we go through Finche and Prince Of Arran from last year, then he should get the same weight which means once again he would need to win a exemption from ballot race such as the Bart Cummings, a race in which he would carry about 57 or 58 next year.

To my eye he needs an exact replica of this years prep. So I would once again, target the Adelaide Cup into the Ramsden, and then a two run prep, leading in to the Cup.

Hopefully this time he should win the Ramsden and that frees him up with weight and ballot concerns.
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I would say the same thing.
Follow the script from this year
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

The result the Australian racing industry needed.
Too right.

Mind you, where would he be if the Adelaide Cup wasn't such a basket case? 19 starters, all bar three of them on the minimum. He got into that race with $64k to his name and 0 wins beyond 1600m. 

And where does he go now?

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What price has Jamal taken for next years cup?
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Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

The result the Australian racing industry needed.
Too right.

Mind you, where would he be if the Adelaide Cup wasn't such a basket case? 19 starters, all bar three of them on the minimum. He got into that race with $64k to his name and 0 wins beyond 1600m. 

And where does he go now?




Easy there...

Can you name any other Group II race which has a whole day you can bludge?
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Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

If we go through Finche and Prince Of Arran from last year, then he should get the same weight which means once again he would need to win a exemption from ballot race such as the Bart Cummings, a race in which he would carry about 57 or 58 next year.

To my eye he needs an exact replica of this years prep. So I would once again, target the Adelaide Cup into the Ramsden, and then a two run prep, leading in to the Cup.

Hopefully this time he should win the Ramsden and that frees him up with weight and ballot concerns.


So you set him for one race he's got no more than a 4% chance of winning and if he doesn't win you've got diddly squat.


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He is a 3200m horse, and so I would ask T what other race you would aim him at.

If he wins the cup that is the end of his handicapping days so he only has the Tancred and Zipping Classic to aim at anyway, so yes, while he is lightly raced, and still sound go for the one race.
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The Sydney Cup would be No.1 in the plan imo. even the Tancred ( BMW) whatever ,he's a racehorse and a lightly raced one at that , time to ship up.
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Agree with that Carioca, if there are suitable feature races to aim at in the Autumn and the horse is fit and well you have to go for it in my opinion.

I think back to horses like Leica Falcon or She's Archie, lightly raced stayers who looked to be ideal Cups horses for seasons to come and who for various reasons never fulfilled their Cup aspirations.

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