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hearing lots of rumours floating about that this fella is not getting any mares in foal. is there anyone out there that can put any truth to these rumours. yes or no?
it would be a shame if he was having problems, bloody nice horse who i thought had a good chance of making it in australia.
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 8:36pm |
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had a little problem at the end of the season in ireland, I believe, don't know how much truth in it, but that 5% share was straight back on the market
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Dr Woods Star Shower zinc the key chemicalThe Sydney Morning Herald - Google News Archive Search
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A friend of mine has had three misses out of three. My mare missed and I know someone else who has had a miss, so it's not looking good at this stage
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Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 11:52am |
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Was he not trained by Leon Corstens??
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Leon Corstens
must do your home workLeon Corstens will appeal against his six-month suspension
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From the regumate website
Side Effects--Stallions
Read more: Regumate Side Effects | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_5262682_regumate-side-effects.html#ixzz1WgO6Pb9B |
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Seems to me Coolmore could have a case against Mr Corstens
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Why would they have a case when Leon was outed for the use of the said hormone. It was not a secret and the effect of Regumate was well known at the time. I say more shame on the Irish outfit for not revealing the worries about the horses fertility after his first season in the homeland. 200 mares bred on a secret!!!!!
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was mentioned on irish forum
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Do the Irish have an online studbook like us where you can find out how many mares he covered and how many he missed? Tried looking up Wetherbys and got lost.
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surely one would of checked his fertility , if one was forking out $10 mill , even coolmore dont have that kind of cash under the bed , please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as one horse salesman/ scammer once said to me buyer beware
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Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 10:42pm |
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Go to Irish Bloodstock forum, scroll down to Firing blanks author Bono 2U
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jayzaa i believe you, just taking the pss out of one of the big boys, with the technology these days you would of thought old coolmore may of done a bit more homework ,
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who's going to allow a fertility check if their selling? No way - coz if it is infertile it becomes unsaleable.
Therefore to cover the potential of a problem you have to take infertility insurance - it is an absolute requirement of insurance that the horse NEVER have been tested, so no one does - simple as that.
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Oh well buyer beware is all l can say after scandal about hormones!!!
ALWAYS SAID CHEAPER TO BREED FROM A BROTHER THAN THE GP1 WINNER cos who knows what they gave him to find that extra length!!!Look at Sunline what she thrown!!!Miss Finland!!! |
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Tauto Miss Finland only has a 2009 foal as her first. No way of knowing what she will produce yet.
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Miss Finland will be the same as others, what did Special throw and she was a champion sprimter up against Zedative Campaign king Redelva and others!!!Its a business which is driven by Group1 winners which represents dollars but not always there offspring!!Sometimes you can save a $$$ by bypassing saya Commannds and go to Court of Jewels etc and still have the same family lines for a much less price!!!However if you have the millions to burn buy into all the bluff created by multiple group1 success!!!
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Mares, including superior performers, have only 6 foals on average to prove their worth as broodmares.
As distinct from superior male performers who might have as many as 2500 foals over the course of their breeding life. So we're potentially talking about 6 chances versus two and a half thousand. The odds are clearly stacked against broodmares irrespective if their own racecourse performance.
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Starspangledbanner shooting blanks been taken off duties
Lucky to have my mare in foal to him 45 days and heres hoping
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u dont have to b dead to b stiff
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vsp what a load of rubbish, if you were buying a potential stalion prospect, and the owners said no way to a fert test, who would buy !!!!! please ,,,, who would insure !!! the sale would be subject tooooo!!!!!!! like most stallion prospects, sorry for the late reply only just followed a lnk
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Straight - how's it going?
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thought it was against the rules to collect from a stallion out of breeding season
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most stallions do not start producing a higher sperm count until they have started serving mares, therefor most stallion of the track will test as almost infertile. This is why people get the insurance.
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Horse breeding is like religion, if you don't really believe in what you are doing it is purely social
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Posted: 10 Dec 2011 at 10:57am |
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shiner where did you read this ,,or get this info from
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off of 2 different vets, apparently although the ejaculation volume may be high the sperm count on new to breeding stallion can be quite low.
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Horse breeding is like religion, if you don't really believe in what you are doing it is purely social
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VSP is 100% correct and thus due an apology.
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shiner , most stallions will show fertility and or lack of it ,at 2 yrs but generally 4.5 yrs of age will see horse mature to ful fertillity , star spangle banner wasnt a baby when the deal was done , far from it ,stallion insurance is there for isuues arising out of infertillity ie accidents etc etc
there is a 1 st season infertiliy insurance for stallions, although very specified clauses !!! this is based generally upon buying a young 2 yr old as stallion prospect etc etc not a 4 yr old and the clauses in this insurance do indicate fertililty tests , !!
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yeah, whatever Max - what would I know, only been full time in the stallion business for almost 20 years
 . However I can assure you that if you have fertility tested a sire prospect in any way shape or form you will NOT get any insurance cover - and the outgoing owner, trainer and new owner have to stipulate specifically that the horse has never been tested before you can get fertility insurance.
If I owned a star racing colt there is NO WAY that any testing would be done on him - what happens if it fails? I cant insure him, I cant sell him, he may as well be a gelding value wise. No owner is going to rsik a multi million dollar sale by testing prior to sale.
We've bought stallion prospects from all over the world - and the consensus is the same. No fertility test prior, and you then take out insurance on your stallion prospect in case he's a dud.
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