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aa. At least you've still got some good bits!

Great point you made earlier -
So many top stallions here, why risk the travel o/s. At least not until she's got a few foals safe on the ground.
I'd love to see her with Lonhro (Pierro etc) for the Inghams connection.
On type and what they're producing, I'd choose my faves Dundeel or Fiorente.
In any case, how exciting!
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We all know that breeding is hit and miss , bit like and arranged marriage ..
So why not let WINX choose... Let her walk up and down a few stallion barns ...
She might just park herself ..muzzle up .......
Just a thought ..tv series every week different farm ......Or have the stallions parade for her..

Just imagine the ratings winner  ....That would be and odds on bet
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A couple of things that people may like to consider.  For those who have suggested Snitzel, she has three half brothers by that stallion who certainly have not matched her quality.  One of the issues I suggest with that mating is that it has a significant speed bias which is certainly not her forte.  One more interesting factor is if we look at the direct female line of Winx.  It is hardly one that will get most breeders too excited.  The immediate family is a fairly moderate sprinter/miler NZ one, so first impressions will be to try an repeat the balance of speed and stamina to reinforce the positives in the mighty mare's pedigree.
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I'd give Lonhro first crack. Well...I'd actually give Frankel first crack but that won't happen so I'll go with Lonhro.
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Street Cry certainly has been the most spectacular success in regard to breeding to the female line, so possibly duplication of aspects of street Cry's female line is an option
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

I'd give Lonhro first crack. Well...I'd actually give Frankel first crack but that won't happen so I'll go with Lonhro.

Same, before he’s too old
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

I'd send her to Zed. Still great value at NZ$4000.


Are the owners breeding to race? Or to sell?

ZED would be a great choice, but I doubt the owners will think outside of the square, especially if they’re going to the sales.

But personally I’d be sending her to NZ to either SAVABEEL or TAVISTOCK.
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The way the owners were talking on Sunday they will not be selling the first foal (or maybe more as well)
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How would Reliable Man match up with her.
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If they wouldnt travel her overseas to race ( to shut up all the nay sayersWink ) why would they travel her to be served ?  She has never been on a plane in her life and I just cant see them starting that now ?
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My guess is they'd send her to an aus stallion as an endorsement of the local industry rather than going offshore. 

Interesting to hear one analyst note that she's the first of the recent superstar mares in aus to go to stud and be by a boom stallion which I guess just makes the progeny even more valuable. 
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Originally posted by jacko1 jacko1 wrote:

My guess is they'd send her to an aus stallion as an endorsement of the local industry rather than going offshore. 

Interesting to hear one analyst note that she's the first of the recent superstar mares in aus to go to stud and be by a boom stallion which I guess just makes the progeny even more valuable. 

Atlantic Jewel? More Joyous?
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

Originally posted by jacko1 jacko1 wrote:

My guess is they'd send her to an aus stallion as an endorsement of the local industry rather than going offshore. 

Interesting to hear one analyst note that she's the first of the recent superstar mares in aus to go to stud and be by a boom stallion which I guess just makes the progeny even more valuable. 

Atlantic Jewel? More Joyous?

I think he was meaning the recent legends (Makybe, BC)
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WINX (AUS)Bay filly 2011 
Street Cry
Bay or brown 1998		Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987		Mr Prospector
Bay 1970		Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961		Native Dancer
Grey 1950		Polynesian
Brown 1942		Unbreakable1935 4-i
Black Polly1936 14-a
Geisha
Grey 1943		Discovery1931 23-b
Miyako1935 5-f
Raise You
Chestnut 1946		Case Ace
Bay 1934		Teddy1913 2-n
Sweetheart1920 1-k
Lady Glory
Brown 1934		American Flag1922 7>
Beloved1927 8-f
Gold Digger
Bay 1962		Nashua
Bay 1952		Nasrullah
Bay 1940		Nearco1935 4-r
Mumtaz Begum1932 9-c
Segula
Bay or brown 1942		Johnstown1936 17-b
Sekhmet1929 3-m
Sequence
Bay or brown 1946		Count Fleet
Brown 1940		Reigh Count1925 2-e
Quickly1930 6-a
Miss Dogwood
Bay or brown 1939		Bull Dog1927 16-a
Myrtlewood1932 13-c
Coup de Folie
Bay 1982		Halo
Bay or brown 1969		Hail to Reason
Brown 1958		Turn-To
Bay 1951		Royal Charger1942 9-c
Source Sucree1940 1-w
Nothirdchance
Bay 1948		Blue Swords1940 7>
Galla Colors1943 4-n
Cosmah
Bay 1953		Cosmic Bomb
Bay 1944		Pharamond1925 6-e
Banish Fear1932 14-f
Almahmoud
Chestnut 1947		Mahmoud1933 9-c
Arbitrator1937 2-d
Raise the Standard
Bay 1978		Hoist the Flag
Bay 1968		Tom Rolfe
Bay 1962		Ribot1952 4-l
Pocahontas1955 9-h
Wavy Navy
Bay 1954		War Admiral1934 11-g
Triomphe1947 5-i
Natalma
Bay 1957		Native Dancer
Grey 1950		Polynesian1942 14-a
Geisha1943 5-f
Almahmoud
Chestnut 1947		Mahmoud1933 9-c
Arbitrator1937 2-d
Helen Street
Bay 1982		Troy
Bay 1976		Petingo
Bay 1965		Petition
Bay or brown 1944		Fair Trial
Chestnut 1932		Fairway1925 13-e
Lady Juror1919 9-c
Art Paper
Brown 1933		Artist's Proof1926 14-f
Quire1918 16-g
Alcazar
Chestnut 1957		Alycidon
Chestnut 1945		Donatello1934 14-c
Aurora1936 1-w
Quarterdeck
Bay 1947		Nearco1935 4-r
Poker Chip1937 22>
La Milo
Chestnut 1963		Hornbeam
Chestnut 1953		Hyperion
Chestnut 1930		Gainsborough1915 2-n
Selene1919 6-e
Thicket
Bay 1947		Nasrullah1940 9-c
Thorn Wood1942 1-p
Pin Prick
Bay 1955		Pinza
Bay 1950		Chanteur1942 12>
Pasqua1939 3-i
Miss Winston
Chestnut 1949		Royal Charger1942 9-c
East Wantleye1933 1-b
Waterway
Chestnut 1976		Riverman
Bay 1969		Never Bend
Bay 1960		Nasrullah
Bay 1940		Nearco1935 4-r
Mumtaz Begum1932 9-c
Lalun
Bay 1952		Djeddah1945 13-c
Be Faithful1942 19-b
River Lady
Bay 1963		Prince John
Chestnut 1953		Princequillo1940 1-b
Not Afraid1948 14-f
Nile Lily
Bay or brown 1954		Roman1937 20-a
Azalea1944 10-a
Boulevard
Chestnut 1968		Pall Mall
Chestnut 1955		Palestine
Grey 1947		Fair Trial1932 9-c
Una1930 3-e
Malapert
Chestnut 1946		Portlaw1928 8-c
Malatesta1937 7-d
Costa Sola
Chestnut 1963		Worden
Chestnut 1949		Wild Risk1940 3-f
Sans Tares1939 13-c
Sunny Cove
Chestnut 1957		Nearco1935 4-r
Sunny Gulf1951 1-l
Vegas Showgirl
Bay 2002		Al Akbar
Bay 1990		Success Express
Bay 1985		Hold Your Peace
Bay 1969		Speak John
Bay 1958		Prince John
Chestnut 1953		Princequillo1940 1-b
Not Afraid1948 14-f
Nuit de Folies
Bay 1947		Tornado1939 1-s
Folle Nuit1940 1-l
Blue Moon
Bay 1948		Eight Thirty
Chestnut 1936		Pilate1928 14-f
Dinner Time1929 11-g
Blue Grail
Bay 1943		Blue Larkspur1926 8-f
Ample1936 12-b
Au Printemps
Bay 1979		Dancing Champ
Bay 1972		Nijinsky
Bay 1967		Northern Dancer1961 2-d
Flaming Page1959 8-f
Mrs Peterkin
Bay 1965		Tom Fool1949 3-j
Legendra1944 4-r
Lorgnette
Chestnut 1964		High Hat
Chestnut 1957		Hyperion1930 6-e
Madonna1945 2-o
Mlle Lorette
Chestnut 1950		Lovely Night1936 4-m
Gallorette1942 17-b
Gala Night
Bay 1984		Blakeney
Bay 1966		Hethersett
Bay 1959		Hugh Lupus
Bay 1952		Djebel1937 5-j
Sakountala1942 19>
Bride Elect
Bay 1952		Big Game1939 6-e
Netherton Maid1944 21-a
Windmill Girl
Bay 1961		Hornbeam
Chestnut 1953		Hyperion1930 6-e
Thicket1947 1-p
Chorus Beauty
Bay 1952		Chanteur1942 12>
Neberna1942 20-c
Debutante
Chestnut 1974		Silly Season
Bay 1962		Tom Fool
Bay 1949		Menow1935 8-g
Gaga1942 3-j
Double Deal
Bay 1946		Straight Deal1940 1-t
Nonats1937 1-g
Grove Hall
Chestnut 1959		Hook Money
Chestnut 1951		Bernborough1939 1-u
Besieged1940 1-s
Ski Club
Chestnut 1950		Chamossaire1942 6-e
Private Entree1933 1-g
Vegas Magic
Bay 1985		Voodoo Rhythm
Bay 1977		Northern Dancer
Bay 1961		Nearctic
Brown 1954		Nearco
Brown 1935		Pharos1920 13-e
Nogara1928 4-r
Lady Angela
Chestnut 1944		Hyperion1930 6-e
Sister Sarah1930 14-c
Natalma
Bay 1957		Native Dancer
Grey 1950		Polynesian1942 14-a
Geisha1943 5-f
Almahmoud
Chestnut 1947		Mahmoud1933 9-c
Arbitrator1937 2-d
Obeah
Bay 1965		Cyane
Bay 1959		Turn-To
Bay 1951		Royal Charger1942 9-c
Source Sucree1940 1-w
Your Game
Brown 1948		Beau Pere1927 3-e
Winkle1939 16-b
Book of Verse
Bay 1956		One Count
Brown or black 1949		Count Fleet1940 6-a
Ace Card1942 25>
Persian Maid
Bay 1947		Tehran1941 14-b
Aroma1938 2-f
Vegas Street
Grey 1976		Sovereign Edition
Grey 1962		Sovereign Path
Grey 1956		Grey Sovereign
Grey 1948		Nasrullah1940 9-c
Kong1933 6-f
Mountain Path
Bay 1948		Bobsleigh1932 3-l
Path of Peace1934 4-l
Latest Edition
Bay 1951		Solferino
Bay 1940		Fairway1925 13-e
Sol Speranza1934 19-b
Celestial Light
Chestnut 1940		Donatello1934 14-c
Gleam1926 13-a
Vegas
Brown 1969		Stunning
Chestnut 1955		Stardust
Chestnut 1937		Hyperion1930 6-e
Sister Stella1923 16>
Running Wild
Chestnut 1943		His Grace1933 1-e
Wild Lavender1936 1-w
Gay Abandon
Bay 1945		Theio
Grey 1932		Tetratema1917 14-a
Thyene1920 31>
Silver Beam
Bay 1930		Silverado1922 3-i
Spotlight1920 5-b
 AncestorWeight DuplicationAncestorWeight Duplication 
 Almahmoud48 6f,6f x 6fNatalma64 5f x 5m 
 Chanteur16 7m x 7fNative Dancer64 5m,6f x 6f 
 Count Fleet24 6f x 7mNearco48 7m,7f,7m,7f x 6m 
 Donatello16 7m x 7fNorthern Dancer72 x 7m,4m 
 Fair Trial24 6m,7m xPrince John32 6f x 6m 
 Fairway16 7m x 7mRoyal Charger24 7m,7f x 7m 
 Hornbeam48 5f x 6fTom Fool24 x 7f,6m 
 Hyperion48 6m x 7m,7m,7f,7mTurn-To32 6m x 6m 
 Nasrullah48 6m,7f,6m x 7m     
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Hello,
like everybody else I was looking for a good mating for Winx.
 
On paper following match looks quite good.
Neorealism/Winx:
Halo 4x5 Halo
Hold Your Peace 4x5
Boulevard 5x5
Raise a Native 5x5
 
I do know Neorealism is a new Stallion and have still to proof his value. So the chances are pretty low, he will be choosed as a mate for Winx.
 
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Long way to go but maybe Adelaide could be a mating for Winx.  I think the Sadler's Wells line would be better than Danehill.  They have a leaner build.  I think the Danehill build (which seems to be very dominant) would defeat what she was.
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I do not have a list of Australian stallion, and I doubt if I did test-matings of them with Winx anyone would take any notice.
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Features in the Winx pedigree that may have given her the zip is -
The 4th dam of Street Cry, Costa Sola, matches well with Book Of Verse in the 4th generation of the dam of Winx, Vegas Showgirl.
This Costa Sola / Book Of Verse match has two sets of full siblings:
Sind (m) and Stafaralla (f) [Solario-Mirawala]
Pharos (m) and Fairway (m) [Phalaris-Scapa Flow]
Mirawala is a daughter of Phalaris
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Miss Winston, in the 5th generation of Street Cry, matches well with Book Of Verse in the 4th generation of the dam of Winx, Vegas Showgirl.
This Miss Winston / Book Of Verse match has two sets of full siblings:
Foxlaw (m) and Aloe (f) [Son-In-Law-Alope]
Pharos (m) and Fairway (m) [Phalaris-Scapa Flow]
The two full-siblings Fairway and Aloe are the sire and dam of Aroma, the 2nd dam of Book Of Verse i.e on the dam line.
If you have a look you can see that three of the four grandparents of Persian Maid, dam of Book Of Verse [Stafaralla; Fairway; Aloe] are full-siblings to horses in Street Cry.
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To be served by I Am Invincable
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Originally posted by horseshoe horseshoe wrote:

To be served by I Am Invincable


Do any of the IAIs go past 1200?
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Winx's suitor announced

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Champion mare Winx will be served by I Am Invincible during the upcoming breeding season.

The owners of Winx – Peter and Patty Tighe, Richard Treweeke and Debbie Keptis – issued a statement on Monday afternoon to announce their decision to send their four-time Cox Plate winner to Yarraman Park's leading sire.

"As owners, we have utilised and considered the expert advice of bloodstock professionals both domestically and internationally," the statement read.

"We have sought the opinions of various pedigree consultants, bloodstock agents and stud managers. They provided us with the foundation of information to assess and use to compile the short list of stallions for consideration.

"This process highlighted the extreme depth to the stallion ranks in Australia and across the world, however when considering the options of traveling overseas her welfare remained of the highest priority and we decided she would remain in Australia for her first breeding season.

"We would like to take this opportunity to thank all of those who made expressions of interest, the level of attention was overwhelming and something we are very grateful for.

"Winx has settled into her new surrounds and seems very content in her retirement but as one chapter closes, another opens as Winx now embarks on her career as a broodmare."

I Am Invincible is the sire of four Australian Group 1 winners this season – including last Saturday's Tatts Tiara winner Invincibella. His service fee for the 2019 breeding season is $247,500.

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Maximum winning distances at stakes level for IAI:

1000m 4
1100m 2
1100m 10
1200m 13
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As Green Desert line hasn't had much success with this family strange mating but then he is the sire in Australia throwing the most stakes performers.

Nice cross for his female line and that of both Winx and Street Cry so maybe that will come into the play and perform for us.
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Originally posted by niki niki wrote:

I Am Invincible, surely.


Looks like Nikki nailed it very early on.
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That is piss poor. Cheap nonsense speed.
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I don’t like it at all.
Will be a disaster waiting to happen.
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I'd invite one and all to suggest, or restate, who'd they'd choose and the reasons for same.  Smile
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Everything about Winx has been unadventurous.

Her connections have no imagination.
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IAI seems extremely weird choice to me. What are they trying to achieve sending her to a 5f flyer? Golden Slipper?Confused It's clearly not the Arc or even the Cox Plate.
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Points: 904 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote diomed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 11:14pm
This is a mating to produce a show pony for sale.
The stallion chosen is the most expensive stallion.
The owners realise they will not produce another Winx and the best option is to sell big.
I will compare 400+ AUS stallion to Winx and give my opinion later.
First I have to get the pedigrees of those stallions.
foalmare.com - my thoughts about pedigree
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