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    Posted: 07 Jun 2021 at 8:17pm
Hi Guys , just after some advice on a stallion options for my mare this season , her name is Rebel Bride , I am breeding with the view to sell at this stage and don’t really want to head any further North than Victoria as I’m in Tassie and she will have to foal away , I’m thinking of the new kids on the block in Vic this year and would like to get some ideas from a lot more experienced breeding and pedigree smart people than me , any help would be greatly appreciated ??

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What price do you have in mind, why a 1st season horse & what causes you to believe the resultant progeny will be commercially viable unless you expect her Needs Further colt to be successful early?

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Up to 22000,doesn’t have to be a first season sire that’s just what I was thinking but  most of the proven stallions are to dear for me so trying to get in on the ground floor , I’m hoping the Colt gets going before this resultant foal would be Ready to sell , if not we would keep it to race .
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Out this morning but set it up to look this afternoon.  
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No question at all in my mind: MAGNUS, MAGNUS, MAGNUS.

A proven sire, and matches up marvelously giving you Mr P 4f x 3m, Vain 4f x 5m, Lunchtime which goes so well with Vain 4m x 5f and Sibs Elated (dam of Vain) and Decess 5 x 5 x 6.

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Agreed SC. Magnus seems to fit the bill
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Thanks very much Second Chance , do like him myself as a tried option , nearly went last year at a very good price but went back to Needs Further on the back of a very nice yearling I had but he didn’t sell that well , opinions of Ned are they need time ?? might have to see what I can get him for this season , thanks again for your thoughts ??
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Looks the goods to me too since we have a good 'max fee' to work with Big smile
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Thanks very much for putting the pedigree up Gay3, it certainly looks good , he appears to be a popular choice for her , Thanks again 
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This might be a bit clearer

 

Unnamed

 

 

 

Magnus (AUS)
Bay 2002

Flying Spur
Bay 1992

Danehill
Bay 1986

Danzig
Bay 1977

Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom

1961
1968

2-d
7-a

Razyana
Bay 1981

His Majesty
Spring Adieu

1968
1974

4-d
2-d

Rolls
Chestnut 1984

Mr Prospector
Bay 1970

Raise a Native
Gold Digger

1961
1962

8-f
13-c

Grand Luxe
Chestnut 1974

Sir Ivor
Fanfreluche

1965
1967

8-g
4-g

Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994

Snippets
Bay 1984

Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970

Silly Season
Great Occasion

1962
1965

1-g
7-f

Easy Date
Bay 1977

Grand Chaudiere
Scampering

1968
1970

19-b
20-a

Song of Norway
Grey 1982

Vain
Chestnut 1966

Wilkes
Elated

1952
1957

13-c
A10

Love Song
Grey 1976

Warpath
Folk Song

1969
1968

21-a
1-p

Rebel Bride (AUS)
Brown 2007

Telesto
Bay 1999

Mr Prospector
Bay 1970

Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961

Native Dancer
Raise You

1950
1946

5-f
8-f

Gold Digger
Bay 1962

Nashua
Sequence

1952
1946

3-m
13-c

Aviance
Chestnut 1982

Northfields
Chestnut 1968

Northern Dancer
Little Hut

1961
1952

2-d
4-r

Minnie Hauk
Bay 1975

Sir Ivor
Best in Show

1965
1965

8-g
8-f

Striking Sort
Chestnut 1995

Blazing Sword
Chestnut 1985

Marscay
Chestnut 1979

Biscay
Heart of Market

1965
1967

2-o
4-m

Royal Plate
Bay 1975

Lunchtime
Decree

1970
1968

7-f
A10

Rebel Moon
Chestnut 1985

Vain King
Chestnut 1972

Vain
Gay Rebel

1966
1963

A10
14-e

Crescent Moon
Chestnut 1969

Khalif
Stellaria

1963
1961

4-d
13-d

 

 

Ancestor duplications:

Northern Dancer

5m x 5m

 

Mr Prospector

4f x 3m

 

Sir Ivor

5f x 5f

 

 

 

Lunchtime

4m x 5f

 

Vain

4f x 5m

 

 

 

 


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I agree that it is a very interesting pedigree.  If your interested in the younger brigade  I don't mind the look of Grunt, Hanseatic, Earthlight or even in your home state Alpine Eagle.  I love to cross lines of 13 to lines of 1 (High Chaparral and Shirley Heights).  A bit of 5h is always a bonus and I like the Sir Ivor 5m x 5f and the line of Sir Tristram (family of Hyperion).  

A good one before your lass was Carringbush by Cerreto (1e) the family of Blenheim.  Cerreto was from the Hyperion sireline and Carringbush was inbred to Hyperion so to see Sir Tristram can't hurt.

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Alpine Eagle (AUS)
Brown 2011

High Chaparral
Bay 1999

Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981

Northern Dancer
Bay 1961

Nearctic
Natalma

1954
1957

14-c
2-d

Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975

Bold Reason
Special

1968
1969

19-b
5-h

Kasora
Brown 1993

Darshaan
Brown 1981

Shirley Heights
Delsy

1975
1972

1-l
13-c

Kozana
Brown 1982

Kris
Koblenza

1976
1966

2-o
1-n

Zephyria
Bay 2004

Zabeel
Bay 1986

Sir Tristram
Bay 1971

Sir Ivor
Isolt

1965
1961

8-g
6-e

Lady Giselle
Bay 1982

Nureyev
Valderna

1977
1972

5-h
16-c

Warning Express
Bay 1994

Warning
Bay 1985

Known Fact
Slightly Dangerous

1977
1979

2-f
14-f

Ivoronica
Bay 1977

Targowice
Lady Mickey

1970
1969

16-g
8-g

Rebel Bride (AUS)
Brown 2007

Telesto
Bay 1999

Mr Prospector
Bay 1970

Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961

Native Dancer
Raise You

1950
1946

5-f
8-f

Gold Digger
Bay 1962

Nashua
Sequence

1952
1946

3-m
13-c

Aviance
Chestnut 1982

Northfields
Chestnut 1968

Northern Dancer
Little Hut

1961
1952

2-d
4-r

Minnie Hauk
Bay 1975

Sir Ivor
Best in Show

1965
1965

8-g
8-f

Striking Sort
Chestnut 1995

Blazing Sword
Chestnut 1985

Marscay
Chestnut 1979

Biscay
Heart of Market

1965
1967

2-o
4-m

Royal Plate
Bay 1975

Lunchtime
Decree

1970
1968

7-f
A10

Rebel Moon
Chestnut 1985

Vain King
Chestnut 1972

Vain
Gay Rebel

1966
1963

A10
14-e

Crescent Moon
Chestnut 1969

Khalif
Stellaria

1963
1961

4-d
13-d

 

 

Ancestor duplications:

Northern Dancer

4m x 5m

 

Sir Ivor

5m x 5f

 

 

 


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here are two of the others.  Both younger stallions with G1's to their names. 
With Grunt you find Pompeii Court from the 1-p family of Magnus and Vains sire Wilkes.  And a line of Sir Tristram.  Doesn't hurt to have the two 13 lines of O'Reilly and Grunt himself.


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Grunt (NZ)
Bay or brown 2014

O'Reilly
Brown 1993

Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983

Try My Best
Bay 1975

Northern Dancer
Sex Appeal

1961
1970

2-d
8-f

Mill Princess
Bay 1977

Mill Reef
Irish Lass

1968
1962

22-d
8-c

Courtza
Bay 1986

Pompeii Court
Bay 1977

Tell
Port Damascus

1966
1971

2-f
1-p

Hunza
Brown 1970

Pakistan
Chatty Lady

1958
1961

6-d
13-b

Ruqqaya
Bay 2005

Van Nistelrooy
Chestnut 2000

Storm Cat
Bay or brown 1983

Storm Bird
Terlingua

1978
1976

4-j
8-c

Halory
Chestnut 1984

Halo
Cold Reply

1969
1972

2-d
4-g

Sayyida
Bay 2000

Zabeel
Bay 1986

Sir Tristram
Lady Giselle

1971
1982

6-e
16-c

Eastern Princess
Bay 1991

Pompeii Court
Benazir

1977
1984

1-p
13-b

Rebel Bride (AUS)
Brown 2007

Telesto
Bay 1999

Mr Prospector
Bay 1970

Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961

Native Dancer
Raise You

1950
1946

5-f
8-f

Gold Digger
Bay 1962

Nashua
Sequence

1952
1946

3-m
13-c

Aviance
Chestnut 1982

Northfields
Chestnut 1968

Northern Dancer
Little Hut

1961
1952

2-d
4-r

Minnie Hauk
Bay 1975

Sir Ivor
Best in Show

1965
1965

8-g
8-f

Striking Sort
Chestnut 1995

Blazing Sword
Chestnut 1985

Marscay
Chestnut 1979

Biscay
Heart of Market

1965
1967

2-o
4-m

Royal Plate
Bay 1975

Lunchtime
Decree

1970
1968

7-f
A10

Rebel Moon
Chestnut 1985

Vain King
Chestnut 1972

Vain
Gay Rebel

1966
1963

A10
14-e

Crescent Moon
Chestnut 1969

Khalif
Stellaria

1963
1961

4-d
13-d

 

 

Ancestor duplications:

Northern Dancer

5m x 5m

 

Pompeii Court

4f,5f x

 

 

 

 

 

 Hanseatic gives you the 1 family through Street Cry and Street Boss who belongs to the same 1-e family a Cerreto above.  You get the Lomond/Mr Prospector cross and the same female line as Magnus.

Unnamed

 

 

 

Hanseatic (AUS)
Chestnut 2017

Street Boss
Chestnut 2004

Street Cry
Bay or brown 1998

Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987

Mr Prospector
Coup de Folie

1970
1982

13-c
2-d

Helen Street
Bay 1982

Troy
Waterway

1976
1976

1-b
1-l

Blushing Ogygian
Chestnut 1994

Ogygian
Bay 1983

Damascus
Gonfalon

1964
1975

8-h
16-a

Fruhlingshochzeit
Bay or brown 1984

Blushing Groom
Fruhlingstag

1974
1975

22-d
1-e

Itameri
Chestnut 2010

Exceed and Excel
Bay 2000

Danehill
Bay 1986

Danzig
Razyana

1977
1981

7-a
2-d

Patrona
Chestnut 1994

Lomond
Gladiolus

1980
1974

13-c
23-b

Baltics
Bay or brown 2003

Fusaichi Pegasus
Bay 1997

Mr Prospector
Angel Fever

1970
1990

13-c
8-c

Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994

Snippets
Song of Norway

1984
1982

20-a
1-p

Rebel Bride (AUS)
Brown 2007

Telesto
Bay 1999

Mr Prospector
Bay 1970

Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961

Native Dancer
Raise You

1950
1946

5-f
8-f

Gold Digger
Bay 1962

Nashua
Sequence

1952
1946

3-m
13-c

Aviance
Chestnut 1982

Northfields
Chestnut 1968

Northern Dancer
Little Hut

1961
1952

2-d
4-r

Minnie Hauk
Bay 1975

Sir Ivor
Best in Show

1965
1965

8-g
8-f

Striking Sort
Chestnut 1995

Blazing Sword
Chestnut 1985

Marscay
Chestnut 1979

Biscay
Heart of Market

1965
1967

2-o
4-m

Royal Plate
Bay 1975

Lunchtime
Decree

1970
1968

7-f
A10

Rebel Moon
Chestnut 1985

Vain King
Chestnut 1972

Vain
Gay Rebel

1966
1963

A10
14-e

Crescent Moon
Chestnut 1969

Khalif
Stellaria

1963
1961

4-d
13-d

 

 

Ancestor duplications:

Mr Prospector

5m,5m x 3m

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Earthlight is also a G1 winner and has the 1 family through Shamardal, troy, Ahonoora, Shirley Heights.  Plus Mr Prospector and Darshaan from the same family.  Also of interest is El Gran Senor from the same family a Telesto and Raise a Native

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Earthlight (IRE)
Chestnut 2017

Shamardal
Bay 2002

Giant's Causeway
Chestnut 1997

Storm Cat
Bay or brown 1983

Storm Bird
Terlingua

1978
1976

4-j
8-c

Mariah's Storm
Bay 1991

Rahy
Immense

1985
1979

12-c
11>

Helsinki
Bay 1993

Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987

Mr Prospector
Coup de Folie

1970
1982

13-c
2-d

Helen Street
Bay 1982

Troy
Waterway

1976
1976

1-b
1-l

Winters Moon
Chestnut 2012

New Approach
Chestnut 2005

Galileo
Bay 1998

Sadler's Wells
Urban Sea

1981
1989

5-h
9-h

Park Express
Bay or brown 1983

Ahonoora
Matcher

1975
1966

1-m
19-b

Summertime Legacy
Bay 1999

Darshaan
Brown 1981

Shirley Heights
Delsy

1975
1972

1-l
13-c

Zawaahy
Bay 1989

El Gran Senor
Exotic Treat

1981
1971

8-f
8-c

Rebel Bride (AUS)
Brown 2007

Telesto
Bay 1999

Mr Prospector
Bay 1970

Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961

Native Dancer
Raise You

1950
1946

5-f
8-f

Gold Digger
Bay 1962

Nashua
Sequence

1952
1946

3-m
13-c

Aviance
Chestnut 1982

Northfields
Chestnut 1968

Northern Dancer
Little Hut

1961
1952

2-d
4-r

Minnie Hauk
Bay 1975

Sir Ivor
Best in Show

1965
1965

8-g
8-f

Striking Sort
Chestnut 1995

Blazing Sword
Chestnut 1985

Marscay
Chestnut 1979

Biscay
Heart of Market

1965
1967

2-o
4-m

Royal Plate
Bay 1975

Lunchtime
Decree

1970
1968

7-f
A10

Rebel Moon
Chestnut 1985

Vain King
Chestnut 1972

Vain
Gay Rebel

1966
1963

A10
14-e

Crescent Moon
Chestnut 1969

Khalif
Stellaria

1963
1961

4-d
13-d

 

 

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Mr Prospector

5m x 3m

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Now your mare is completely outcrossed in her first five generations.  It your looking to inbreed to one with lots of the Star Kingdom line of Hyperion you could take a look at Toorak Toff who has also moved to Tassie.  He also gives you Nijinsky to cross to Telesto and Raise a Native and the Habitat/Northfields cross.  THis pedigree is also a complete outcross in the first five generations.

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Toorak Toff (AUS)
Chestnut 2007

Show a Heart
Chestnut 1997

Brave Warrior
Chestnut 1991

Cossack Warrior
Bay or brown 1983

Bletchingly
Mary

1970
1975

7-a
1-u

Nothing to Do
Chestnut 1986

Nijinsky
Heart a Dancer

1967
1978

8-f
4-n

Miss Sandman
Chestnut 1988

Regal Advice
Bay 1980

Vice Regal
String of Pearls

1973
1972

3-e
9-c

Misty Morning
Chestnut 1976

Boucher
Farmer's Joy

1969
1967

1-s
3-e

Orong
Chestnut 2002

Grand Lodge
Chestnut 1991

Chief's Crown
Bay 1982

Danzig
Six Crowns

1977
1976

7-a
23-b

La Papagena
Bay or brown 1983

Habitat
Magic Flute

1966
1968

4-r
14-b

Blixen
Chestnut 1985

Mighty Avalanche
Chestnut 1978

Kaoru Star
Snow Valley

1965
1971

31>
C1

Swahili Princess
Chestnut 1975

Frontal
Vivace

1972
1965

2-s
13>

Rebel Bride (AUS)
Brown 2007

Telesto
Bay 1999

Mr Prospector
Bay 1970

Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961

Native Dancer
Raise You

1950
1946

5-f
8-f

Gold Digger
Bay 1962

Nashua
Sequence

1952
1946

3-m
13-c

Aviance
Chestnut 1982

Northfields
Chestnut 1968

Northern Dancer
Little Hut

1961
1952

2-d
4-r

Minnie Hauk
Bay 1975

Sir Ivor
Best in Show

1965
1965

8-g
8-f

Striking Sort
Chestnut 1995

Blazing Sword
Chestnut 1985

Marscay
Chestnut 1979

Biscay
Heart of Market

1965
1967

2-o
4-m

Royal Plate
Bay 1975

Lunchtime
Decree

1970
1968

7-f
A10

Rebel Moon
Chestnut 1985

Vain King
Chestnut 1972

Vain
Gay Rebel

1966
1963

A10
14-e

Crescent Moon
Chestnut 1969

Khalif
Stellaria

1963
1961

4-d
13-d

 


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The mare imo clearly deserves to go to either a proven stallion or a newbie that possesses commercial appeal.

It's interesting to note that Hanseatic and Magnus share the same female family, and the former also 
reinforces Mr P.  They're the two that take my fancy.
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Thanks very much for all your work their Furious , Hanseatic was where I was leaning out of the new boys and definitely think Magnus is the go to out of the tried horses in my bracket , I have an Alpine Eagle 2yo in work at the moment out of a Nicconi mare I had and have a Stratum mare also in foal to him with her first foal , early days but not going to well on the track here in Tas . 



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I like your thoughts Second Chance , Thankyou 
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The mare is probably one of the best in Tasmania and has had success on the mainland. Her close relation Seababe made $200k in foal to Capitalist at Inglis earlier this year. If we have a look at other successful family members we see that they have been by a range of stallions in Encosta De Lago, Choisir, Moshe, Distorted Humor and Tinterosse. Interestingly the level of inbreeding within six generations is often very low, or if not, around 11%. I don't know how closely the suggestions above match with what has worked with the family. Her two foals have both had very close inbreeding to Mr Prospector. This has yet to be successful, but if that is the plan, then sending the mare back to Needs Further would be a wise strategy.
If we look at the stallions that have worked, and the related pedigree patterns, we see that Moshe is by Bel Esprit, and the mating of this mare with that stallion could not be discounted. Encosta De Lago is found as the sire of Needs Further and again, if this is the strategy he could be used again to ensure that the best result is obtained. Choisir is available as the sire of Starspangledbanner who stands in Victoria and would be a reasonable mating. If we look at the Capitalist/Seababe mating, it does not look overly strong, but Capitalist is a son of Written Tycoon, and it would seem that there appears to be some positives from a mating with that line to the family. One stallion in Victoria who is going OK is Rich Enuff who is a son of Written Tycoon, and it looks an appealing mating. We see sex balanced duplications of Marscay, Vain and Lunchtime which is very rare to see in a pedigree. As a left field prospect, Fiorente represents a largely outcross pedigree and brings in some real stamina into a family that is largely a 1000-1400m family but has proven successful when bred to get more distance. I doubt if it would be a true staying type but it may well be something that the family needs from time to time. It is hard to make this judgment without knowing a little more about the mare and her actual racing pattern. She is probably at the stage though that if the Needs Further or this foal do not perform, her value is significantly diminished. I would urge you to look carefully at all of your options.
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Wow Progold , that’s an in-depth review of her , thanks for your thoughts on breeding with her , she is currently in foal to Needs Further again , had a very nice yearling Colt by him that I sold this year so hopefully he gets up and running to help her along . Fiorente is one I hadn’t thought of , I agree he should help on the stamina side of things , will definitely have a look at him .this breeding game sure can be confusing if your budget keeps you away from the top end Smile
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Hey Wicky, don't ever be afraid to enquire about prices. The price you might see advertised isn't always the price actually paid for the service fee. Never ever hurts to ask studs what can they do. With lots of stallions about they need to be somewhat flexible af times.

PS I agree your colt is a lovely boy and don't be too despondent on NF, he had a hard year with all selling, he might just have a good one round the corner, then he gets back in favour again in the ring. Good luck with whoever you pick for her, she's a dandy mare to have! 
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Originally posted by Progold Progold wrote:

The mare is probably one of the best in Tasmania and has had success on the mainland. Her close relation Seababe made $200k in foal to Capitalist at Inglis earlier this year. If we have a look at other successful family members we see that they have been by a range of stallions in Encosta De Lago, Choisir, Moshe, Distorted Humor and Tinterosse

There's a reason I have these three stallions highlighted: Grey Sovereign.  When Vain, Lunchtime, Marscay, and Grey Sovereign hook up, the result is SPEED.  The current flagbearers are Written Tycoon and All Too Hard.  Capitalist and Tinterosse both have GS via Kalamoun, whereas Choisir has him via Caro.

Dirty Work is a first-season son of Written Tycoon standing in Vic.  He brings the Grey Sovereign and they both bring Vain, Marscay, and Lunchtime.  Telesto, Rebel Bride's sire, descends from Best In Show via Sir Ivor.  Written Tycoon's grandsire Last Tycoon descends from Best In Show via Buckpasser.  Sir Ivor's dam Attica and Buckpasser are very closely related and they complement one another in pedigrees. 

Lucky Vega is *just* a little bit different, lol.  He carries Grey Sovereign via Kendor and Caro, his sire is an exceptionally good stallion and his dam is a Cape Cross daughter of a Gr-1 winner, and he was early and fast. He is closely related to Endless Drama (by Lope de Vega out of a Green Desert mare).

If your mare is foaling early and you are willing to take a punt, Starspangledbanner is an awful lot of horse for the price.  As a son of Choisir he would bring in a Caro line, plus he has Grey Sovereign through his tail-female line which produced Circles of Gold to cover of Marscay.  His sales prices from 2020 to 2021 took a huge plunge -- not sure why -- but prior to this season, his yearlings averaged a fairly healthy $75,000 - $80,000.  Looking at individual sales, it was feast or famine.  As a proven sire in your budget whose bloodlines have worked with your mare's family, I put him on top, even with the well-known fertility challenges.

His son Brooklyn Hustle's 2nd dam is by Most Welcome, who is a genetic sibling to Telesto's dam Minnie Hauk.  Sir Gaylord, sire of Sir Ivor, appears in the pedigrees of many of Starspangledbanner's best runners, including through Drone, Habitat, Sir Tristram, and Grovesnor.
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Thanks Petite , I will definitely be getting the best possible price I can , and am certainly hoping NF gets back in favour as she is brewing another one to drop this season . 
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Thankyou for your input Kimberley Mine , I do like Dirty Work also as a new boy option , still kicking myself after having her booked into Written Tycoon for her first season at 13750 and changing my mind , she isn’t due to foal till late Oct early Nov so Starspangledbanner might not be a viable option if it went wrong, and I hadn’t noticed Lucky Vega , will have to have a look at him , Thanks again .
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KM is a really great judge whose opinion should always be respected.

However despite the good match believe Dirty Work is unbelievably overpriced at $19,800, and fwiw have conveyed that opinion to Garry Cuddy.  And for my trouble received a totally smart-ass response.  Reckon interested parties will be able to get him for $11-13.2k if they go in later rather than earlier.  

But I'd be heading elsewhere given the far better performed Hanseatic is more realistically priced as is Magnus which always sells great in Tassie.
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Hi Second Chance , fully agree with you re his price , did a Mating match on their site and he was a good match but thought he was way over priced for his race record , 
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I though that Rich Enuff who is doing pretty good job at present was the strongest mating for the mare of the sons of Written Tycoon.
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Originally posted by Progold Progold wrote:

I though that Rich Enuff who is doing pretty good job at present was the strongest mating for the mare of the sons of Written Tycoon.

He's a solid choice.  

I tapped Dirty Work as a better sales prospect based on being a first-year stallion by a hot sire and his female family is deeper and more active than Rich Enuff.  The other knock on Rich Enuff as a sales horse is that there's a growing split between his average and median figures -- meaning the sales average is pumped up by 2-3 strong sales and the rest are much, much lower.
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