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New stallion standing in Vic. A charm Spirit/ Invicible Spirit line colt. Raced mainly in NZ. Only a 3yo. Thoughts? $5500.
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Platinum Thoroughbreds Victoria Welcome ScorpzMedia Release - Tuesday June 23 Nestled in the heart of Victoria's prime thoroughbred country is Platinum Thoroughbreds Victoria, a relative new player in the thoroughbred game having been established in 2018 - but there is much experience behind the name with the farm's Sarah Pfeiffer and Rene Hoefchen both boasting long time equine involvement. "I started out breeding, training and competing quarter horses but always had a love of thoroughbreds," Rene Hoefchen said, "and working for a while at Godolphin intensified my passion for them!" "And Sarah is a vet nurse who competed with quarter and paint horses, also working at Mohawk Lodge.. and her grandfather and great grandfather both trained thoroughbreds." Specialising in young horse growth and development along with spelling and broodmare management, Platinum Thoroughbreds Victoria this spring welcomes to the Hilldene (just 5km out of Seymour) farm its foundation stallion... the well credentialled and exciting Scorpz. Scorpz A member of the Invincible Spirit line which has been faring so well in this part of the world, Scorpz is a son of the triple Group One winner Charm Spirit who has made such a great start to his stud career - his southern and northern hemisphere debut crops producing six stakes winners including the New Zealand bred Group winners Aretha, Fascino, Likikoi and Scorpz. Doing his best work late at his debut at two, the Stephen Marsh trained Scorpz was given time to mature and really came into his own at three - in November last year racing away to an easy three length victory at Te Aroha. 17 days later stepping up to Group Three class, Scorpz travelled well in the 1600m Wellington Stakes, coming off heels turning and was soon in the lead. From there he was a sitting shot and Shenanigans did put his nose in front only for Scorpz to fight back, showing plenty of heart! "We hit the front too soon to be honest but sometimes things are out of your hands," Jockey Jason Waddell reported, adding that "it was a long 350m!" Waddell described Scorpz as "a big strong colt who does not know he is a colt," whilst Marsh was delighted by the win... "gee he's a lovely colt," he enthused. Despite doing it tough from a wide gate at his next outing, Scorpz was again in winning form with a similar performance - getting to the front, strongly challenged late and digging deep to take out the Listed Salver at Ellerslie. There was method to Waddell's ride, the jockey telling the media that he let another horse "go past me on purpose... so he could fight back." Marsh was again proud - "he was very tough to the line... he covered all that ground and still kicked, it was a top effort." Not having a great deal of luck in two runs heading to the Gr.1 NZ Derby, Scorpz was third back to the mile in a Te Aroha handicap (held up at the 300m) and second despite being forced wide in the Gr.2 Avondale Guineas won by the talented Dragon Leap. Sadly he found further trouble in the Derby, crowded early before again being forced wide, his effort to run third a particularly gallant one. From there Scorpz headed to Australia with the Gr.1 Australian Derby an exciting target. The Gr.1 Rosehill Guineas looked a nice lead-up but it was in that race that all went wrong - Scorpz copping a check as he left the gates, one severe enough to cause serious injury. And so instead of lining up in the spring's features in 2020, Scorpz will be serving his first book of mares, and Hoefchen is delighted to be standing a horse of such heart and courage -"the more he was challenged in his races, the harder he kicked on," he said, adding that "he is going to be an asset for Victoria." "He was the perfect colt to train," Stephen Marsh noted. "He had a kind nature yet was as tough as tungsten on the track. What he did as an immature three-year-old was due to his class and guts alone and I believe that he would have furnished into a true Caulfield Cup quality horse." The first son of Charm Spirit to stud in Australia, Scorpz has the pedigree to succeed here - Charm Spirit being by Invincible Spirit (also sire of I Am Invincible) from the family of Encosta de Lago and Flying Spur - whilst his dam Forbetterforworse is by Dubawi, the triple Group One winner who sired 22 southern hemisphere bred stakes winners (six of those at Group One level) despite standing only three years in the Hunter Valley. Dubawi is of course a world wide sensation, the sire of 183 stakes winners with progeny earnings in excess of $223 million. And he is already making his mark as a broodmare sire with 22 stakes winners including the Group One gallopers Dream Castle and Blair House. Forbetterforworse (who paid a return visit to Charm Spirit last spring) is out of the stakes winning Hennessy mare For The Good Times, also dam of the dual Group Three winning sprinter Fast 'N' Rocking and the Listed winner Good 'N' Fast. This is a strong Australian family that has been producing tough and sound stakes winners for generations, its members including the Group One gallopers Shiva's Revenge and Just Now and the Group winners Close Your Eyes, Bernalla, Tellson, Scenic Warrior, World Fortune, Champagne Boom, Heaven's Riches and Charmview. Due to make his debut at an affordable $5,500, Scorpz is perfectly placed at Platinum Thoroughbreds VIctoria where Rene Hoefchen and Sarah Pfeiffer will work hard to ensure his success, also keen to expand on the spelling and broodmare services sides of their business - noting that they are in such close proximity to some of the best stud farms in Victoria. For further information contact Platinum Thoroughbreds Victoria on 0417 573 661 or info@platinumthoroughbredsvictoria.com or visit us online at: https://www.platinumthoroughbredsvictoria.com/ |
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Very handy galloper. Went wrong in the ATC Derby. Sire has started well in NZ, nice female family.
You'd think he'd struggle commercially but could be well worth a look as a breed to race type.
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Might be a little over the odds price wise. Will be a 4 yo as a .1st year stallion. How does that generally stand?
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Any number of stallions successfully commence their stud careers as 4yo's.
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The classic English model is to race your colts at two and three and then retire the successful ones to stud at four. The ones still racing at four are either not so good, have been gelded due to temperament concerns or are (relatively) slow maturers.
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Thanks. He has nice breeding and is close by. Worth a thought.
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A few weeks ago I found he was now standing at stud in Victoria this year, so did some research as a pedigree match for my mare and got excited. These are the duplications I can get by going back 14 generations
Lady Jo 60 Selene 59 Domino 117 Teddy 103 I can rarely get more than 60 duplications of Teddy with my mare. I think from memory, Scorpz has 83 crosses to Teddy in 14 generations.
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Fans of linebreeding to superior mares should like him:
Courtly Dee (Green Desert, Arch, Vespa (NZ), Bianconi) Fall Aspen (Dubai Millennium, Fort Wood, Bianconi, Autumn Melody, Elnadim, Charnwood Forest, Timber Country) Ciboulette (Flying Spur, Encosta de Lago, Holy Roman Emperor, Night Shift, L'Enjoleur) Cherokee Rose (Storm Cat, Royal Academy, Icecapade, Pine Bluff, Fusaichi Pegasus, Be My Guest) And of course, the Almahmoud, Rough Shod II, and Bloodroot families are present. Although it's pretty far back, through Dubawi he has a line to the mare Cap and Bells through Drone, a 3/4 sibling to El Prado. Cap and Bells is very similarly bred to Sir Tristram so that's a line that may be worth reinforcing. Mares with Artie Schiller may appreciate this too. On the downside, looking at his yearling picture Scorpz looks very straight through the hind end. That may have changed as he matured.
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No bargaining with the new stud owners. I think they might get that wrong. It will be a very tough year for new stallions who are over priced to start of with. Good luck to them.
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His fee was set at $5,500... Are you sure you want to breed a racehorse?
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Here are the established Victorian based stallions with a lifetime AEI of 1.00 or more up to and including 2019/20, with advertised stud fee attached. Might have missed one or two. Do your own evaluations.
Artie Schiller 1.01 $11,000 Magnus 1.28 $15,400 Bel Esprit 1.19 $7,700 Shamus Award 1.42 $19,800 Brazen Beau 1.45 $49,500 Sepoy 1.16 $7,700 Starspangledbanner 1.28 $19,800 Puissance De Lune 1.65 $8,800 Toronado 1.33 $27,500 Foxwedge 1.02 $11,000 O'Lonhro 1.06 $4,400 Ilovethiscity 1.16 $4,400 Needs Further 1.29 $13,750 Al Maher 1.25 $8,800 Manhattan Rain 1.25 $13,200 |
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Puissance de Lune is $19,800 this year.
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Correct my mistake, and there may well be others.
Stallions who don't pass the 1.00 AEI include Squamosa, Unencumbered, Fiorente, Street Boss Danerich, Akeed Mofeed, Starcraft, Turffontein and Reward For Effort. Some of these stand from $11,000 to $27,500.
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Thanks and of course. First season stallion. He needs numbers Overpriced IMO. Can get Holler and Sepoy at similar rates sepoy progeny around 28 mill. Good luck to them.
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No it’s $8800 as advertised.
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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.
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It says $8800 in Vic Stallion book. So they are joking surely.
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Gee they put it up $11k since publication of the Vic Stallion book
I reckon that’s a big ask. COVID won’t help. Great Stallion. Good luck. Very overpriced.
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I see Scorpz got 6 mares. Dead in water. Don’t understand the Fee of 5500. Better to get numbers and then go up. Anyway what would I know.
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Yep he is already gonski
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