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    Posted: 18 Mar 2021 at 12:03pm
What price would be attractive ?

RUSSIAN CAMELOT (IRE)Bay or brown colt 2017 
Camelot
Bay or brown 2009		Montjeu
Bay 1996		Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981		Northern Dancer
Bay 1961		Nearctic
Natalma		1954
1957		14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975		Bold Reason
Special		1968
1969		19-b
5-h
Floripedes
Bay 1985		Top Ville
Bay 1976		High Top
Sega Ville		1969
1968		11-a
8-i
Toute Cy
Bay 1979		Tennyson
Adele Toumignon		1970
1971		1-t
1-u
Tarfah
Bay 2001		Kingmambo
Bay 1990		Mr Prospector
Bay 1970		Raise a Native
Gold Digger		1961
1962		8-f
13-c
Miesque
Bay 1984		Nureyev
Pasadoble		1977
1979		5-h
20>
Fickle
Bay 1996		Danehill
Bay 1986		Danzig
Razyana		1977
1981		7-a
2-d
Fade
Bay 1988		Persepolis
One Over Parr		1979
1972		4-n
4-o
Lady Babooshka
Bay 2011		Cape Cross
Bay or brown 1994		Green Desert
Bay 1983		Danzig
Bay 1977		Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom		1961
1968		2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979		Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee		1965
1968		8-g
A4
Park Appeal
Bay or brown 1982		Ahonoora
Chestnut 1975		Lorenzaccio
Helen Nichols		1965
1966		5-h
1-m
Balidaress
Grey 1973		Balidar
Innocence		1966
1968		8-d
14-c
Balalaika
Bay 1993		Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981		Northern Dancer
Bay 1961		Nearctic
Natalma		1954
1957		14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975		Bold Reason
Special		1968
1969		19-b
5-h
Bella Colora
Bay 1982		Bellypha
Grey 1976		Lyphard
Belga		1969
1968		17-b
16-b
Reprocolor
Chestnut 1976		Jimmy Reppin
Blue Queen		1965
1967		7-d
13-e
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m x 5m,4m Sadler's Wells3m x 3f Danzig5m x 4m
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He is a tough one to price - SA Derby certainly doesn't add to the commercial appeal so he is essentially relying on an Underwood Stakes win, Cox Plate placing and hype (which is not unjustified). From a sire that didn't work here, albeit with limited opportunities, and from a black-type family that isn't instantly recognisable to the average Aussie breeder.

I could draw a parallel with Adelaide, who started at $22K when retired to Coolmore. Maybe $16.5K if they want to guarantee a strong book. What is also interesting is where he ends up - would be great for the new Widden Victoria and given the strong relationship between Anthony Thompson and Danny O'Brien.
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No question in my mind Robbo: he'll need to stand in Vic to enjoy strong support.

Perhaps an advertised $16,500 to a high of $18,700 tops.
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Russian Camelot will stand at stud in the New South Wales Hunter Valley.

The Herald Sun has established Widden Stud is the frontrunner to secure the dual Group 1 winner, retired last month after a small tendon tear running second in the All-Star Mile at The Valley

Widden’s roster includes champion sires Zoustar and Nicconi.

Russian Camelot’s managing owner John Wheeler would not be drawn on the identity of the “Australian stud”.

“He will be going to an Australian stud, but I really want to leave it to the stud master to make the announcement, which he will do imminently,” Wheeler said.

“We’re very happy, it is sorted through, and delighted it has reached a conclusion.”

Russian Camelot won the South Australian Derby and Underwood Stakes last year.

He placed in three Group 1 races last spring, including the Makybe Diva Stakes (second), Caulfield Stakes (second) and Cox Plate (third) before running eighth in the Melbourne Cup.

“You always hope in your life that you might find a stallion,” Wheeler said.

“He’s yet to be successful (as a stallion), but if he is successful, there’s no reason to think he won’t add something to the Australian thoroughbred industry.

“We’re very happy we’re staying as substantial partners with the stud and we’re very happy to see him placed where he’s going.”

The owners and champion trainer Danny O’Brien have all “retained an interest” in the horse.

Russian Camelot amassed $2.39 million for connections, winning four of 11 career starts.
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I thought this was very lazy journalism - it is in the public domain that Widden is setting up in Victoria so to assume that he will be in the Hunter is ill-conceived.





Edited by Gay3 - 16 Apr 2021 at 7:14pm
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Ha ha ha ha ha. The Herald Sun and lazy journalism. Who'da thunk it. RC to Widden Vic has been unannounced news for some time. 
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It's entirely probable ex Herald-Sun racing writer Matt Stewart was the journalist's mentor.  Embarrassed
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Is there much of an opportunity for this type of pedigree structure to work in Oz. I think it might be doubtful
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There are 8 Sea The Stars mares in the Aussie studbook. Everyone of them should visit this bloke.
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Widden Stud has announced dual Group 1 winner Russian Camelot will stand at their Victorian property.

And in a further boost to Victoria’s breeding ranks, he will be joined by talented three-year-old Doubtland.

Russian Camelot, who was retired after his second placing in the All-Star Mile due to a tendon injury, will stand for $22,000.

The northern hemisphere bred star won the Group 1 SAJC Derby at just his fifth race start last year, and then took out the Underwood Stakes in the spring.

He ran third in last year’s Cox Plate behind Sir Dragonet, before taking on the Melbourne Cup.

His career finished with four wins from 11 stars and just over $2.3m in prizemoney.

“I have no doubt he will have a significant impact on our industry for years to come through his stud career," trainer Danny O’Brien said when announcing the horse’s retirement.

Doubtland was a standout two-year-old, claiming the Group 3 Kindergarten Stakes, before claiming the Group 2 Danehill Stakes as a three-year-old.

He also finished fourth in the Group 1 Coolmore Stud Stakes.

The son of Not A Single Doubt will stand for $16,500.

The talented duo will be joined Nicconi and Star Witness at Widden’s Romsey property, along with the likes of Magnus and Bel Esprit.
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Thanks Gay.

Confirming what almost everyone involved in the industry knew, apart from the Herald Sun's racing and breeding "journalists".  Wink
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Talking to some stud staff tonight, and no one wants to go down there and sort out a new stud. 
Hope some Vic people are keen.
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Russian Camelot
Doubtland
Nicconi
Star Witness
Magnus
Bel Esprit

Decent roster. 
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1st two runners winners, thats pretty good
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Morgana
Morgana (2022) - F - 19
by Russian Camelot out of Rising Hope by Encosta De Lago to 6 generations
Russian Camelot
2016		Camelot
2009		Montjeu
1996		Sadler's Wells
1981		Northern Dancer
1961		Nearctic
Natalma		1954 - 14-c
1957 - 2-d
Fairy Bridge
1975		Bold Reason
Special		1968 - 19-b
1969 - 5-h
Floripedes
1985		Top Ville
1976		High Top
Sega Ville		1969 - 11-a
1968 - 8-i
Toute Cy
1979		Tennyson
Adele Toumignon		1970 - 1-t
1971 - 1-u
Tarfah
2001		Kingmambo
1990		Mr Prospector
1970		Raise A Native
Gold Digger		1961 - 8-f
1962 - 13-c
Miesque
1984		Nureyev
Pasadoble		1977 - 5-h
1979 - 20
Fickle
1996		Danehill
1986		Danzig
Razyana		1977 - 7-a
1981 - 2-d
Fade
1988		Persepolis
One Over Parr		1979 - 4-n
1972 - 4-o
Lady Babooshka
2011		Cape Cross
1994		Green Desert
1983		Danzig
1977		Northern Dancer
Pas De Nom		1961 - 2-d
1968 - 7-a
Foreign Courier
1979		Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee		1965 - 8-g
1968 - A4
Park Appeal
1982		Ahonoora
1975		Lorenzaccio
Helen Nichols		1965 - 5-h
1966 - 1-m
Balidaress
1973		Balidar
Innocence		1966 - 8-d
1968 - 14-c
Balalaika
1993		Sadler's Wells
1981		Northern Dancer
1961		Nearctic
Natalma		1954 - 14-c
1957 - 2-d
Fairy Bridge
1975		Bold Reason
Special		1968 - 19-b
1969 - 5-h
Bella Colora
1982		Bellypha
1976		Lyphard
Belga		1969 - 17-b
1968 - 16-b
Reprocolor
1976		Jimmy Reppin
Blue Queen		1965 - 7-d
1967 - 13-e
Rising Hope
2012		Encosta De Lago
1993		Fairy King
1982		Northern Dancer
1961		Nearctic
1954		Nearco
Lady Angela		1935 - 4-r
1944 - 14-c
Natalma
1957		Native Dancer
Almahmoud		1950 - 5-f
1947 - 2-d
Fairy Bridge
1975		Bold Reason
1968		Hail To Reason
Lalun		1958 - 4-n
1952 - 19-b
Special
1969		Forli
Thong		1963 - 3-b
1964 - 5-h
Shoal Creek
1988		Star Way
1977		Star Appeal
1970		Appiani
Sterna		1963 - 4-f
1960 - 5-d
New Way
1970		Klairon
New Move		1952 - 1-w
1958 - 6-e
Rolls
1984		Mr Prospector
1970		Raise A Native
Gold Digger		1961 - 8-f
1962 - 13-c
Grand Luxe
1974		Sir Ivor
Fanfreluche		1965 - 8-g
1967 - 4-g
Passing Hope
2000		Sadler's Wells
1981		Northern Dancer
1961		Nearctic
1954		Nearco
Lady Angela		1935 - 4-r
1944 - 14-c
Natalma
1957		Native Dancer
Almahmoud		1950 - 5-f
1947 - 2-d
Fairy Bridge
1975		Bold Reason
1968		Hail To Reason
Lalun		1958 - 4-n
1952 - 19-b
Special
1969		Forli
Thong		1963 - 3-b
1964 - 5-h
Obeah
1985		Cure The Blues
1978		Stop The Music
1970		Hail To Reason
Bebopper		1958 - 4-n
1962 - 11-b
Quick Cure
1971		Dr Fager
Speedwell		1964 - 1-r
1960 - 2-s
Trusted Maiden
1972		Busted
1963		Crepello
Sans Le Sou		1954 - 16-d
1957 - 2-s
Merdemain
1960		Tamerlane
Damians		1952 - 1-e
1942 - 19
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Censori
Censori (2022) - F - 11-a
by Russian Camelot out of Berkshire Lady by Star Witness to 6 generations
Russian Camelot
2016		Camelot
2009		Montjeu
1996		Sadler's Wells
1981		Northern Dancer
1961		Nearctic
Natalma		1954 - 14-c
1957 - 2-d
Fairy Bridge
1975		Bold Reason
Special		1968 - 19-b
1969 - 5-h
Floripedes
1985		Top Ville
1976		High Top
Sega Ville		1969 - 11-a
1968 - 8-i
Toute Cy
1979		Tennyson
Adele Toumignon		1970 - 1-t
1971 - 1-u
Tarfah
2001		Kingmambo
1990		Mr Prospector
1970		Raise A Native
Gold Digger		1961 - 8-f
1962 - 13-c
Miesque
1984		Nureyev
Pasadoble		1977 - 5-h
1979 - 20
Fickle
1996		Danehill
1986		Danzig
Razyana		1977 - 7-a
1981 - 2-d
Fade
1988		Persepolis
One Over Parr		1979 - 4-n
1972 - 4-o
Lady Babooshka
2011		Cape Cross
1994		Green Desert
1983		Danzig
1977		Northern Dancer
Pas De Nom		1961 - 2-d
1968 - 7-a
Foreign Courier
1979		Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee		1965 - 8-g
1968 - A4
Park Appeal
1982		Ahonoora
1975		Lorenzaccio
Helen Nichols		1965 - 5-h
1966 - 1-m
Balidaress
1973		Balidar
Innocence		1966 - 8-d
1968 - 14-c
Balalaika
1993		Sadler's Wells
1981		Northern Dancer
1961		Nearctic
Natalma		1954 - 14-c
1957 - 2-d
Fairy Bridge
1975		Bold Reason
Special		1968 - 19-b
1969 - 5-h
Bella Colora
1982		Bellypha
1976		Lyphard
Belga		1969 - 17-b
1968 - 16-b
Reprocolor
1976		Jimmy Reppin
Blue Queen		1965 - 7-d
1967 - 13-e
Berkshire Lady
2014		Star Witness
2007		Starcraft
2000		Soviet Star
1984		Nureyev
1977		Northern Dancer
Special		1961 - 2-d
1969 - 5-h
Veruschka
1967		Venture VII
Marie D'Anjou		1957 - 7
1954 - 9-f
Flying Floozie
1993		Pompeii Court
1977		Tell
Port Damascus		1966 - 2-f
1971 - 1-p
Lucky Heiress
1976		Battle-Waggon
Entrancing Bell		1962 - 3-o
1965 - 4-d
Leone Chiara
1999		Lion Hunter
1992		Danehill
1986		Danzig
Razyana		1977 - 7-a
1981 - 2-d
Pure Of Heart
1978		Godswalk
Audrey Joan		1974 - 2-h
1963 - 10-c
Chiara
1994		Last Tycoon
1983		Try My Best
Mill Princess		1975 - 8-f
1977 - 8-c
Etoile D'Or
1983		Diplomatic Star
Marchwill		1977 - 22-b
1976 - 13-b
Placement
2007		Savabeel
2001		Zabeel
1986		Sir Tristram
1971		Sir Ivor
Isolt		1965 - 8-g
1961 - 6-e
Lady Giselle
1982		Nureyev
Valderna		1977 - 5-h
1972 - 16-c
Savannah Success
1995		Success Express
1985		Hold Your Peace
Au Printemps		1969 - 12
1979 - 17-b
Alma Mater
1988		Semipalatinsk
Sweetie		1978 - 23-b
1981 - 1-o
Lucida
2000		O'Reilly
1993		Last Tycoon
1983		Try My Best
Mill Princess		1975 - 8-f
1977 - 8-c
Courtza
1986		Pompeii Court
Hunza		1977 - 1-p
1970 - 13-b
Starcent
1991		Centaine
1980		Century
Rainbeam		1969 - 20
1973 - AU
Star Of The Knight
1979		Sir Tristram
Celebrity II		1971 - 6-e
1967 - 11
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