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Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

He looks a very good horse, but don't get too carried away. Looks like the cat was first up against him over an unsuitable distance and he only just beat him. Going out to 1600 metres I think LLTC would be the better horse, and I think others will be better over a sprint trip then Rich Enuff, doubt he has the Coolmore "At his mercy" he will have to contend with some quality horses, Mossfun/Rubick among others.

LLTC was huge but he had the back of the winner in a fast run race. Not easy to be exposed down the straight six and run that sort of time. I'd imagine there's not many 3yos who have.

Of course there will be others (I'm quite interested in Zeletto), but it'd take a very good one to beat him.
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If a stud is circling,they would probably want the ASCOT VALE (coolmore) to be the target.
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True. But common sense should also be circling and convincing them to run in the Coolmore not the Guineas.

Like Waller said of Zoustar last year: he has the autumn to extend over a mile and win a Guineas if he wants to. Don't knock back the chance to win the premier Group 1 sprint for 3yos in the spring when he has just proven himself the best 3yo down the straight.
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The studs main consideration is marketing . At present the ASCOT VALE is "more sexier" in terms of stallion promotion
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Winning it didn't hurt Redoute's Choice or Lonhro on terms of their value and ultimate success. And more recently All Too Hard and Helmet are two very hot stallions. It's a very sexy race, you could probably argue that Coolmore is even better as it's a sprint, but you hardly run off the value if you win the Caulfield Guineas.

Just saying aside from all that, from a racing perspective, his times suggest he is a superstar sprinter.
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why not do what weekend hussler did and do both.
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The Ascot Vale was run last Saturday.
reductio ad absurdum
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The Coolmore is the Ascot Vale, The Danehill is the Chivas Regal which was run on derby day
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Na, I do not accept that.

Our Maizcay, Manikato did not win a Guineas and than drop BACK to 1200m and win his Ascot Vale Stakes.

Are we supposed to believe Rose Of Kingston won The Ascot Vale Stakes on the Saturday and backed up on the Thursday and won the Oaks.

No thanks.

I refuse to accept this nonsense. 

SORRY.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Na, I do not accept that.

Our Maizcay, Manikato did not win a Guineas and than drop BACK to 1200m and win his Ascot Vale Stakes.

Are we supposed to believe Rose Of Kingston won The Ascot Vale Stakes on the Saturday and backed up on the Thursday and won the Oaks.

No thanks.

I refuse to accept this nonsense. 

SORRY.

Race history[edit]

  • Until 1965 the race was run in autumn for two-year-olds.
  • From 1969 the race has been run in the spring for three-year-olds.
  • Prior to 2006 the race was run in September.
  • Prior to 2006 this race held Group 2 status.
  • Prior to 2007 this race was known as the Ascot Vale Stakes. It was also run at the start of the Spring in September, and not on Derby Day as it is now, and for less prizemoney. The identification of the traditional Ascot Vale Stakes as the same race as the Coolmore Stakes run on Derby Day is therefore quite debatable.
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I must admit this has always confused me, how a race can have its name, conditions and running date changed so many times and still be considered the same race.
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Bring on the Guineas!!
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Serious racehorse.
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Freak. My fave horse.
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Averaged $5.02 , god bless
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Did the work at both ends.  Looked total class.  The mile should be well within his range.
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so glad I got that Guineas ticket when I did.
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Give him strength!!

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Okay I'm a believer now... Doesn't matter if they go to the Coolmore or the Guineas he is capable of winning either.

Personally id still go Coolmore as I think it will be a weaker race
for those about to punt, we salute you...
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What return SYT ?
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^^

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Wow, SYT you legend. No one is better at finding the right big odds in the futures than you mate.
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good luck SYT..

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couldn't have been more impressive today.

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Na, I do not accept that.

Our Maizcay, Manikato did not win a Guineas and than drop BACK to 1200m and win his Ascot Vale Stakes.

Are we supposed to believe Rose Of Kingston won The Ascot Vale Stakes on the Saturday and backed up on the Thursday and won the Oaks.

No thanks.

I refuse to accept this nonsense. 

SORRY.

When Rose Of Kingston won the Ascot Vale(Coolmore) double, the Ascot Vale was run in early September and the Oaks about 8 weeks later

Same when Manikato won the double, the Ascot Vale was before the Caulfield Guineas He won the Rupert Clarke(Then Marlboro Cup) over 1400m between them


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Is it too much to ask about the stake?? Tongue
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Not getting my hopes up but fair to say it'll be my biggest collect on the punt.
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Originally posted by SYT SYT wrote:

Give him strength!!


Wow! What's the date on the ticket?
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The times in the Guineas Prelude and Rupert Clarke were very slow for caulfield 1400 on a rock hard track. Rich Enuff ran over 2 seconds slower than Helmet did in the same race. Is there some reason for that?
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From memory(failing) Helmet raced on a flint hard track that was upgraded during the day Horses were reported as not handling the hard track that day, and Helmet recorded half a second faster than the Rupert Clarke winner Toorak Toff, only .2 outside Exceed and Excels track record
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it was blowing 30 knots.
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