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R.I.P Rogan Josh
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So rather less than half of Cup winners have won at open WFA Group 1 level over the last 22 years. 

Thanks Jamal.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

So rather less than half of Cup winners have won at open WFA Group 1 level over the last 22 years. 

Thanks Jamal.

Yes that's right and the way I formatted the list was G1 WFA wins before and/or after their Cup wins
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What a rough race that Cup was, especially down the straight the first time. You wanted to be on pace, first three around the home turn were the first three home. 
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Still too soon kiwi88, I was on The Hind for a sizable amount and am only just getting over it.

Comiserations Jamal on the passing of Rogan Josh.
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Its a sad day for Western Australian racing. But the memories will always be there.

The Hind should of at least placed in that Cup
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Less than 23 years after that famous Cup win, The Jockey, trainer and now the horse have all departed this planet. 

Also Djebel, I highly doubt we will see a G1 WFA winner only carry 50kg in the Cup and win and I also doubt we will see, unless on the rare occasion, a Cup winner drop a massive 8kg from its previous start into the Melbourne Cup.  
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Where's Ticino? I know Ticino likes his German horses. 

What a lot of people may not know is that Rogan Josh also travelled and ran in the Hong Kong Vase in December 1999. The top 5 finish in the Vase was probably Rogan Josh's best performance ratings wise. The field included Indigenous & Borgia . Ticino, Borgia was a German horse who 2 yrs prior in 1997 ran 3rd in the Arc. Rogan Josh only finished 2.5 lengths off Borgia in the Vase. A good effort after a busy spring campaign.
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Loved this boy for his sire (Star Kingdom over Grey Sovereign line mare).  Still remember backing him in the cup.  I thought he was a pretty good chance.

His sire was Old Spice and his dam was Eastern Mystique but Star Kingdom is in the line too


You are telling Furious about breedings and lines.  LOLLOL
animals before people.
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Less than 23 years after that famous Cup win, The Jockey, trainer and now the horse have all departed this planet. 

Also Djebel, I highly doubt we will see a G1 WFA winner only carry 50kg in the Cup and win and I also doubt we will see, unless on the rare occasion, a Cup winner drop a massive 8kg from its previous start into the Melbourne Cup.  
Yes , well planned by the master of plotting a course to the final StarStar , pity the placegetter in the Cup just gone had a better planned route . Ouch
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Jezabeel died 22/09/2015 according to Studbook

That would make Rogan Josh the last surviving Melbourne Cup winner from the 20th century. But no more.
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ROGAN JOSH - CAREER (38 Starts)

4th - 11 SHA TIN - HONG KONG
12-Dec-1999 2400M WFA (GROUP 1 HONG KONG VASE) - FINAL START

7th - 13 SANDOWN - MELBOURNE
13-Nov-1999 2400M WFA (GROUP 2 SANDOWN CLASSIC)

1st - 24 FLEMINGTON - MELBOURNE
02-Nov-1999 3200M HCP (GROUP 1 MELBOURNE CUP)

1st - 13 FLEMINGTON - MELBOURNE
30-Oct-1999 2000M WFA (GROUP 1 MACKINNON STAKES)

4th - 18 CAULFIELD - MELBOURNE
16-Oct-1999 2400M HCP (GROUP 1 CAULFIELD CUP)

1st - 11 CAULFIELD - MELBOURNE
09-Oct-1999 2400M HCP (GROUP 2 HERBERT POWER STAKES)

7th - 14 MOONEE VALLEY - MELBOURNE
23-Sep-1999 2040M HCP (LISTED JRA CUP)

10th - 15 MOONEE VALLEY - MELBOURNE
11-Sep-1999 1600M WFA (GROUP 2 FEEHAN STAKES)

7th - 7 FLEMINGTON - MELBOURNE
25-Aug-1999 1200M HCP (LISTED AURIES STAR HANDICAP)

2nd - 16 BUNBURY
18-Mar-1999 2200M HCP (GROUP 3 BUNBURY CUP)

3rd - 16 PINJARRA
04-Mar-1999 2200M HCP (LISTED PINJARRA CUP)

6th - 14 BUNBURY
21-Feb-1999 1670M HCP

2nd - 18 ASCOT - PERTH
01-Jan-1999 3200M HCP (GROUP 2 PERTH CUP)

2nd - 16 ASCOT - PERTH
19-Dec-1998 2400M WFA (GROUP 2 C.B COX STAKES)

7th - 15 ASCOT - PERTH
05-Dec-1998 2200M HCP

4th - 12 ASCOT - PERTH
14-Nov-1998 1800M WFA (GROUP 3 STRICKLAND STAKES)

6th - 12 ASCOT - PERTH
31-Oct-1998 1600M HCP (LISTED YORK HANDICAP)

9th - 13 ASCOT - PERTH
24-Oct-1998 1600M HCP

11th - 12 BELMONT - PERTH
03-Oct-1998 1300M HCP

1st - 15 BUNBURY - PERTH
19-Mar-1998 2200M HCP (GROUP 3 BUNBURY CUP)

1st - 15 PINJARRA
04-Mar-1998 2200M HCP (LISTED PINJARRA CUP)

4th - 13 BUNBURY
08-Feb-1998 1670M HCP

1st - 12 ASCOT - PERTH
24-Jan-1998 1400M HCP

4th - 12 ASCOT - PERTH
13-Dec-1997 2200M HCP (LISTED A.T.A HANDICAP)

10th - 12 ASCOT - PERTH
22-Nov-1997 2200M HCP (LISTED TATTS CUP)

1st - 14 ASCOT - PERTH
08-Nov-1997 1800M HCP

1st - 13 ASCOT - PERTH
25-Oct-1997 1800M HCP

2nd - 14 BELLMOT - PERTH
11-Oct-1997 1400M HCP

2nd - 11 BELMONT - PERTH
20-Sep-1997 1650M HCP

2nd - 16 BELMONT - PERTH
06-Sep-1997 1600M HCP

1st - 10 NORTHAM
28-Aug-1997 1400M HCP

5th - 13 BELMONT - PERTH
13-Aug-1997 1400M HCP

4th - 10 ASCOT - PERTH
29-Mar-1997 2200M HCP

1st - 7 BUNBURY
20-Mar-1997 1675M HCP

1st -12 BUNBURY
26-Feb-1997 1675M HCP

1st -10 BUNBURY
12-Feb-97 1400M HCP

1st -12 BUNBURY
26-Jan-97 1400M HCP

4th - 12 BUNBURY
16-Jan-97 1400M HCP

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HCP = Handicap
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Originally posted by Pardon_My_Dust Pardon_My_Dust wrote:

Does anyone remember the Ken Callender vs Richard Freedman commentary re Rogan Josh? Callender pretty much declared it for the Cup after it's huge Caulfield Cup run off the track and Freedman immediately scoffed 'it's a plodder at best spare me please'. So of course Kenny had the last laugh and this actually started a new segment on the show whereby Kenny would have his say and Freedman would provide a rebuttle. All in jest of course but they were funny times.

Then of course there were the jokes that followed along the lines of......'went to restaraunt last night and Rogan Josh was on the menu. Obviously winning the Cup wasn't good enough'. LOL

RIP legend.

Pardon My Dust - you mentioned it, well here it is. Maybe good luck that I found it.....go to the 36 minute mark of this clip and you will see Ken Callendars comments and then Richard Freedman's comments.

Also at the 46 minute mark Richard Freedman gets more stick as well.

Link is below.

https://youtu.be/WdKuyPLIecc
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Good to see Rogan Josh (R.I.P) finally get a Stakes race names after him...long time coming in WA racing.

https://www.perthracing.org.au/calendar/2023-06-24/rogan-josh-stakes-day

But what was the race called initially? Anyone know? It gets difficult to keep track of when race names get changed.

https://www.theraceswa.com.au/events/rogan-josh-stakes-day/
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I'm going to suggest that this is a new race for horses who ran in the G3 Strickland Stakes to progress to.
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Could be the Strickland although they had that set up for the 24th June over 2000m.  A race distance and name change isn't beyond the realm of possiblities.
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In mid-June, the WATC used run to a Listed 2200m race at Belmont called the Helena Vale Cup.  However the race was deleted after 2005.  This race was then a lead up to the G3 Belmont Winter Cup over 2400m in July which was also deleted after 2005.

The club resurrected a 2200m race after the Strickland Stakes a couple of years ago called the Swan River Vase.  Won in past years by quality WA stayers like Material Man (2020) & Come Play With Me (2019).

So it appears that the Rogan Josh Stks is the new version of the Helena Vale Cup / Swan River Vase.
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Check this link, it doesn't appear to be a stakes (Group/Listed) race. Just a +84 rating race. Usually if it's a stakes race it will state if it's a Geoup or Listed event.
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