The Decline & Ultimate Closure of Harness Racing
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Topic: The Decline & Ultimate Closure of Harness Racing
Posted By: HarnessGuru
Subject: The Decline & Ultimate Closure of Harness Racing
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2025 at 11:17pm
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Just comparing HRV 2008 Annual Report to 2024 Annual Report.
Adjusting for inflation TAB revenue down over 10%. Prizemoney payouts down 20%.
Trainers and Drivers down 33%.
Foal numbers halved.
Keeping in mind 2008 was already declining rapdily hence they made decision to move from Moonee Valley to Melton.
Very sad.
Over the past 15 years I have went from watching trots every weekend and sometimes during the week, to maybe catching one or two races a week (sometimes only by replay) & just skimming fields/results. My interest in TBreds has rapidly increased during that time.
There is no enjoyment when drug cheats win everything. There is no enjoyment when nobody else is interested in it.
Just too much to choose from these days in the community in terms of entertainment.
I witnessed on track Leap To Fame & Swayzee in the Hunter Cup earlier this year. If that race was 40 years ago Poppy V Gammalite it was probably race of the century. It did give me some excitement for a couple of minutes but that was pretty much it. Whereas I can watch old replays and get more excited.
Just from looking at those reports & knowing what is happening in the industry Harness Racing in Victoria may be dead & buried in 10 years.
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Posted By: ozumu
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2026 at 10:56pm
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That’s a pretty sobering comparison, and it’s hard to argue with the numbers. When you lay the 2008 and 2024 reports side by side, the decline really hits home—less money, fewer participants, fewer foals. And like you said, 2008 was already a low point, so the fact things have fallen even further since then is worrying. Your personal experience mirrors what a lot of long-time fans feel. The shift from planning weekends around the trots to barely checking results says a lot about how the connection has eroded. When the same stables dominate, trust disappears, and once the wider public loses interest, the atmosphere just drains away. It’s telling that even witnessing champions like Leap To Fame and Swayzee live doesn’t spark the same feeling as watching old replays. That sense of occasion, of history being made, just isn’t there anymore. With so many entertainment options competing for attention, harness racing can’t afford to lose its integrity or its audience. If nothing changes, your fear about where Victorian harness racing could be in a decade doesn’t sound unrealistic at all.
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Posted By: ozumu
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2026 at 7:14pm
What makes it even tougher is that the warning signs have been there for years, yet nothing meaningful seems to change. Instead of tackling integrity, engagement, and long-term sustainability, it often feels like the industry is just managing decline and hoping the next shiny thing buys a bit more time. Once breeders stop breeding, trainers walk away, and fans lose the habit of watching, it’s incredibly hard to reverse. Racing survives on stories, rivalries, and belief in a fair contest — without those, even the best horses can’t carry the sport. If there isn’t a serious reset soon, the decline you’re describing won’t be a shock, it’ll just feel like the inevitable end of a slow fade.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2026 at 7:38pm
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I am probably the odd man out here. I still regularly bet on the trots.....was betting on Hawera this arvo.....luv the NZ grass stuff. In fact, when race to race betting i will give preference to a trot race over a gallop on most occasions.....even with the need to switch back & forward across SKY 1 & 2
The reason is not so much a love for the game.....more i seem to be better at it. Also more obvious half way through a race if your in with a chance.
I still find class to be more significant....up in class / down in class on previous runs....& also seem to be able to see possible trends in racing patterns that favours clumps of horses from varying draws. For instance, will often bet around a fav & those likely to take it on in Quinellas on the basis if they hammer that group will usually all get run over.....doesn't always work obviously.
Now in saying all that i agree the game has lost its general appeal
Just the way it has gone unfortunately. No long-term future.
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Posted By: HarnessGuru
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2026 at 9:17pm
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Yep much easier to do form. Betting on harness is a money making endevour for me. Betting on gallops is purely recreational.
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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2026 at 10:07am
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Betting on harness is a money making endevour for me
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Posted By: HarnessGuru
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2026 at 10:13am
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2026 at 10:19am
Sorry but the less bred and raced the less ending up going straight to the knackers. Everything I’ve had to do with SB’s has shown them to be lovely natured, very sensible, sound horses. They don’t deserve their lot in life and the sooner it stops the better. Same as jumps racing. No horse lover could condone that scenario. But each to his own.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2026 at 10:32am
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Tend to agree Sister
How about the Greyhound game ?
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Posted By: HarnessGuru
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2026 at 11:52am
Sister Dot wrote:
Sorry but the less bred and raced the less ending up going straight to the knackers. Everything I’ve had to do with SB’s has shown them to be lovely natured, very sensible, sound horses. They don’t deserve their lot in life and the sooner it stops the better. Same as jumps racing. No horse lover could condone that scenario. But each to his own. |
Sorry I'm having trouble to understanding exactly what is being said.
Do you want Harness Racing to stop altogether?
Yes less slow ones getting bred means less getting killed. So thats good.
The issue is foal numbers are decreasing because people can't make money off the fast ones. This then leads to less meetings, less races, less full fields which hurries the decline of the sport up.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2026 at 12:34pm
OMG Onesit, Don’t get me started on that. Though I do think it’s on its way out……I’ve owned a couple of retired greyhounds. Lovely natured dogs and no trouble once you’ve got the urge to kill small animals under control. They do need managing.
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Posted By: HarnessGuru
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2026 at 9:30pm
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Re less foals:
Ballarat Cup is this week. We have an 8 horse field. FFA on same night is a 6 horse field. Only 1 horse in the FFA wouldn't look out of place in the Cup but that horse is about 12yo and had about 3 years off the scene & is actually scratched from the FFA (hopefully no re-injured).
Ballarat Cup 2006: 11 horse field. FFA on same night 11 horse field including 2 or 3 Gp1 winners.
Derby heats in 2006 had 3x full fields. Derby run different time of year now but last year had some pretty woeful field sizes.
2016 Cup 12 horse field, 11 horse field in the FFA.
So its not just slow ones we have less of. We already have less fast ones and we're about to go even lower with very recent foal numbers.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2026 at 9:47pm
When was the last time a trotter was back page tabloid news? Hondo Grattan?
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2026 at 9:54pm
“Back Page News”…..haven't you stopped buying papers yet 😂
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Posted By: HarnessGuru
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2026 at 10:08pm
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A guy I was working with about 3 or 4 years ago told me he saw a story on National News. There was an 80 odd year old trainer-driver with one horse in work who won a Listed type race at Melton. Surprised me to hear it made the national news. Must have been a quiet week.
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Posted By: Muss
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2026 at 11:47am
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I also do a lot of my betting on trots. I've always followed them. I have my tracks that I prefer. GP & Penrith would be a couple I'm good at. Also Albany of all places. Loathe Menangle.
Many of my family in NZ were trots people. One of my uncles won an Interdominion (1971)
She got the race after the winner was disqualified a week after the race.
Doody Townley. What a driver that bloke was.
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Posted By: Muss
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2026 at 11:49am
Oh forgot, Stella Frost.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2026 at 12:10pm
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My Uncle was called death seat charlie (by another Uncle!). He did seem to find himself there alot.
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Posted By: Muss
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2026 at 12:35pm
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Hate the death.
I know something has to be there. Just wish it wasn't one of mine.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2026 at 9:42am
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Yes...horrible spot...used to prefer the "oneonesit"....however depending on track that can also be a shocker if runs are made early.
The death seat position can in fact be the best position for a horse who is literally miles better than the rest. In fact, if i see that type of horse heavily backed....time to get on. They can control the race from there.
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2026 at 9:47am
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One of Robbie Waterhouse rules is the worst spot in running is outside leader half a length in front, best is outside leader half off the leader.
Would imagine same applies with harness racing.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2026 at 9:51am
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Back to my punting style on the trots....usually always bet around the favourites. I work on the premise just about pacer can be beaten if the other drivers want it to be. So i look for races where i think that could happen....usually runners that are short off the front row....drawn well....who have good form but up in class. I then look at the likely horses from the draw that could be on the disrupt job....& punt in exotic clumps around those that i think will be smoking the pipe together (again from the draw). Usually back one or 2 straight out from that clump (say 4 or 5 ) & stand those 2 out in a quinella from the other 2 or 3.
Don't take a lot of notice re price....more form / class drop as my standouts.
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Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2026 at 10:17am
oneonesit wrote:
Yes...horrible spot...used to prefer the "oneonesit"....however depending on track that can also be a shocker if runs are made early.
The death seat position can in fact be the best position for a horse who is literally miles better than the rest. In fact, if i see that type of horse heavily backed....time to get on. They can control the race from there. |
It’s weird, in the 80’s the death seat was widely accepted as the worst possible spot. 20 years later, a lot of respected drivers actually called it the chair, and believed they control the race from there. I haven’t bet on the sport since I sold my last horse about 15 years ago.
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Posted By: HarnessGuru
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2026 at 10:38am
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The 1-1 is awful only because of stupid drivers. If you haven't had to work much you should be first to pull out (or pull out in front of the backmarkers once you see them coming) instead of waiting to be trapped in.
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Posted By: Muss
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2026 at 3:56pm
Sprint lanes killed the 1/1.
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Posted By: HarnessGuru
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2026 at 4:38pm
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2026 at 5:02pm
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The Lords Raceway is a truly magnificent harness venue here in Bendigo, great for for horses and patrons alike.
The surrounding area to the immediate north was once filled with harness racing stables. They've more recently dwindled significantly, however there's still a feeling of the past when motorists on the McIvor Highway need stop at the lights to allow a horse and sulky pass.
Some aging families only have one or two horses on acreage but continue to persist, despite the fact their properties are worth a fortune for residential development. And all credit to them, even if their sons and daughters are probably somewhat p1ssed.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2026 at 10:47am
Muss wrote:
Sprint lanes killed the 1/1.
| Yes....that introduction completely transformed the game re racing patterns. In the old days if the driver dived straight down 3 or 4 back on the rails the ticket went straight to the bin.......& you started to immediately look at the next interstate race. 
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2026 at 10:58am
Another problem with the Harness game is you can spend considerable time on the analysis, then covertly work out the best odds, walk up the bloody stairs to watch the race with the other fringe dwellers dodging vomit & green hacks, forever optimistic a huge collect is only minutes way.....only to see the bloody thing go into a gallop either behind the mobile or in a standing start.....to see it half a lap behind when they let them go  
And to rub salt into the wound....it flashes home to run an encouraging fifth.....with the race commentator telling everyone to get on next start 
See that's the problem with the game....the corruption is so much more obvious than the other codes 
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2026 at 11:13am
& the only chance of ever getting a protest upheld at the red hots is too literally run the other into the grandstand.....& even then its not a given 
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2026 at 11:16am
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& while i'm at it.....how can pulling a 20 stone slob around 3 laps be no harder than a driver of say 10 stone
I've never understood that reasoning 
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