Karaka sale discussion page .
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Posted By: Take2
Subject: Karaka sale discussion page .
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2021 at 9:04pm
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Probably another thread here somewhere, but couldn't resist posting this, very nice Colt @ Karaka Lot 168 ticks all my boxes cant post the link to the video but have a look ------------- change is simply a destination on a journey reached by taking the first step (i said that) lol www.3rdmillenniumbloodstock.com.au |
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 5:25pm
| What in particular draws you to the colt Take2? |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 6:30pm
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https://www.nzb.co.nz/sales/21kaa/168" rel="nofollow - https://www.nzb.co.nz/sales/21kaa/168 Account of PENCARROW STUD, Cambridge. Lot168Foaled 4th September 2019 Brown ColtBoxH22Branded: : nr sh; 10 over 9 off sh
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 6:39pm
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Lalun would have to be my favourite mare............. x4  https://postimg.cc/47H418cf" rel="nofollow">  ------------- It takes a wise man a lifetime to grow a tree and a fool five minutes to kill one. |
Posted By: Take2
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 7:30pm
the intricacies of his pedigree SC, on many fronts, including the reverse engineering of the sadler's wells machiavellian and miswaki, and darshaan affinities (minus of course galileo, which was somewhat a failure with dalakhani) without it being a spectacular damline it has produced plenty of worse pedigrees and types around than this bloke i reckon al the kicker may have been your friend with the skinny legs whose first name begins with andrew also liked him, and alerted me to have a look plus i did like his parade video the only fly i see is a first foal ------------- change is simply a destination on a journey reached by taking the first step (i said that) lol www.3rdmillenniumbloodstock.com.au |
Second Chance wrote:Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 8:27am
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Gee had a look at the Super Seth Yearlings catalogued at this sale , and I must admit there are some very nice athletic types in amongst them . They seem to be consistent in type anyway .
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 12:20pm
| Had a look at a few last night Goldey , only on type though , lot 117 Dundeel filly and lot 555 a Almanzor colt . |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 1:16pm
I saw this photo of Super Seth y/day & my gaze was immediately drawn to his laminitic front feet if it's not a photographic glitch  Those with phones will be able to expand which might tell a clearer story - or not https://postimages.org/" rel="nofollow">  https://postimages.org/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 1:27pm
| Is it true to say this yearling has has front plates removed preceding a trim , not sure about the suspect area near the coronet though what are the experts opinions . |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 2:08pm
| All the Waikato Super Seth's I've looked at are standing in grass. Which is damned annoying. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 2:22pm
| See there's two Zed colts from mares very closely related to Verry Elleegant. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 3:25pm
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goldey, 'my' photo above shows a clear concavity/dish of the walls & isn't a yearling pic but the feet of Super Seth. ------------- It takes a wise man a lifetime to grow a tree and a fool five minutes to kill one. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 3:40pm
Thought so myself  just had a look at the brand , quite " dishy " , little extra toe may have made it more noticeable as well.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 3:44pm
| Hence my annoyance at the Waikato shots with feet hidden in grass. |
Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 5:37pm
Totally agree now after blowing up the photo more ,I see that , do you think this is a fault that is genetically passed on to his progeny at a high rate .
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2023 at 6:53pm
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It's never a genetic propensity & very rarely mechanically caused tho' they are the excuses always made, even by professionals. Overfeeding of carbs high grain diets are the killer with animals in temperate environment at the highest risk. Look at the pastures these top mares & stallions are on just for starters  And the foot bones don't rotate, rather laminae is stretched, the wall moves further away from it, heel grows fast & voila, it appears as tho' the pedal bone has rotated. ------------- It takes a wise man a lifetime to grow a tree and a fool five minutes to kill one. |
Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2023 at 11:06am
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What are peoples thoughts on Lot 678 walk, conformation etc? ------------- Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance. DiEM25 for the world. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2023 at 11:29am
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She looks fine to me Kav. Bit of size, well put together. The main concern is that we don't get to see her movement from either front or rear so can't comment on her gait, angulation etc. Over to others.
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Posted By: Breeder
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2023 at 12:13pm
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kav she was sold as a weanling, as part of the Valachi Downs dispersal sale for $9,500. Nice match up, pedigree wise.
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Posted By: Breeder
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2023 at 9:41am
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Firstly well done Cambridge Stud with their "Passport" system in their yearling promotion. All out in the open and for many knowledgeable horse people it would remove the need and cost of getting a vet to check xrays etc. They have two vets giving their professional opinions (one Aussie and one Kiwi) While there is general agreement, it is interesting to note the differences. https://editions.app.anzbloodstocknews.com/2023-01/26/web/assets/downloads/ANZ_230126_v1_online.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://editions.app.anzbloodstocknews.com/2023-01/26/web/assets/downloads/ANZ_230126_v1_online.pdf |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2023 at 5:23pm
Lot 117 , Dundeel filly 100K , buyer , Shaun's Ritchie , Waikato. lovely filly .
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2023 at 5:25pm
Shaune
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2023 at 5:58pm
| Ok she's a 14th foal, but thought the Tarzino filly lot 124 went very cheap. Any comment on her would be appreciated. |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2023 at 11:35am
| bother I don't usually agree with the ones that bring top dollars but did like the Too Darn Hot - Lady Sayyida. Interesting pedigree mix also. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 4:07pm
| Lot 555 , Almanzor colt , $200K , Waller Racing. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 4:24pm
| Appears a "cheap" buy given his page Carioca. Damn annoying there's no vision of him at the walk from front or rear though. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 6:57pm
| One of the racing channels gave a short resume , but you don't seen them repeated , ( or I missed ) seen this bloke at the walk , nice horse . |
Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2023 at 4:08pm
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Breeder, Interesting that lot 678 I referenced earlier was passed in and now has a reserve of 5000. After being bought as a weanling for 9k that would suggest there is something seriously wrong. ------------- Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance. DiEM25 for the world. |
Posted By: Breeder
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2023 at 4:14pm
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I saw that kavg. But the sale yesterday was pretty poor at the time she went through the ring. The only thing I can think of is the Xrays or scope were very bad. If that was the case I'm surprised they even presented her, when obviously it is easy to check up on. But at $5k I think she would be worth it for her breeding value. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2023 at 4:23pm
| Long and upright in the pasterns but that alone wouldn't be the reason for total lack of interest. And again, frustratingly, no front and rear shots or videos to examine her gait, alignment etc. And as Breeder suggests... |
Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2025 at 10:11am
| Quite early, BUT low prices, lots of Pass Ins. What’s happened to NZ female lines. Become quite weak I think. Hope like hell for then and hope prices improve. |
Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2025 at 6:37pm
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MM sales down,no surprise if NZ follows. It does seem “quite”
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2025 at 7:32pm
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Have to largely agree Breeder: hardly a great Day One catalogue. Hopefully some on here will become more engaged in discussion, however don't think I'll do so unless someone asks for an opinion about a particular lot.
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Posted By: Breeder
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2025 at 12:00pm
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Looks like Day 2 is better, which has generally been the case in recent years. Just had $2.4million Savabeel filly -- to Chris Waller / Guy Mulcaster. A full sister to Orchestral. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2025 at 12:36pm
I've only watched 2/3hrs but was taken by the presence of this guy, regardless of pedigree. However, it remains to be seen if Busuttin/Young can keep him sound enough to show his ability Lot310Foaled 5th September 2023 Account of Kilgravin Lodge, Matamata (as agent) Bay ColtBoxF 82Branded:
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2025 at 3:13pm
Love the presentation of that sale ring . 
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2025 at 3:47pm
Me too tho' it reminds me of Parliament Horse UK  I love the timber vs. steel everywhere.------------- It takes a wise man a lifetime to grow a tree and a fool five minutes to kill one. |
Posted By: Breeder
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2025 at 4:05pm
| Carioca and Gay3. It has certainly stood the test of time. The complex is about 35 years old now. To me it is a great piece of architecture. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2025 at 4:20pm
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Fwiw I looked up the purchases thus far by trainers we've had success with. A total of 15, most sold for anywhere between 80 and 150k with some in the 200's. To be honest I liked just one, with most having weak or ordinary female families and the three that sold in the 200's only did so because they were by top sires. All that on pedigree, not type.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2025 at 11:22am
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Jeez that’s my pet peeve. People really need to stop breeding with poor specimens. Adds to the danger for jockey and horse, plus so so bad for racing PR ------------- “Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined” |