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Topic: Liberals/Nats in Opposition
Posted By: Gay3
Subject: Liberals/Nats in Opposition
Date Posted: 21 May 2022 at 11:49pm
Who's their next leader? Surely Morrison steps down or is voted out by the party? Confused


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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 21 May 2022 at 11:52pm
As I just posted in wun wuns election night comments thread, it'll likely be Dutton, unless Frydenberg picks himself up off the carpet and gives him a challenge for the position.


Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:12am
Might not be that many options left after ICAC locks them all up 

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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:19am
Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

As I just posted in wun wuns election night comments thread, it'll likely be Dutton, unless Frydenberg picks himself up off the carpet and gives him a challenge for the position.

 Frydenberg is gone.

 Postal votes won't get him up.

 


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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 2:31am
I’m thinking of throwing my hat in the ring

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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 3:00am
 You're about their standard...

 Thumbs Up

 


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Posted By: marble
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 9:00am
if spud does indeed become their leader it will ensure they take no lesson from this rout and remain fossil fuel dinosaurs that will have less relevance as time goes on. If one single word changed this election it was "bulldoze." Building and inclusiveness just isn't their thing


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 9:40am
With the moderate side of the party gutted it does give Dutton a clear run from the far right as far as numbers go. The party, if it actually wants to reform itself and become a decent option it will pick someone from the center right at least as a seat warmer.

Their biggest problem though is the new balance between Libs and Nats(presumably still under Barnaby) with the far right now having a stronger say in coalition. 


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:12am
It's got to be Dutton.Thumbs Up




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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:20am
I wonder if the Libs will take a look at the rules Morrison had put in place to stop his mate getting rid of him? It worked out horribly for them.

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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:30am
Dutton is odds on to be the next Liberal Leader, at least he will stand for something, who unlike Morrison, who stood for little and attempted to gain the middle ground, which is where the ALP stand. To ever regain the treasury benches the Liberals they will have to offer an alternative, not more of the same. 


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:36am
I hope more Tories think that way Bobby, it will keep you in opposition for a long time.

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Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:40am
Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Dutton is odds on to be the next Liberal Leader, at least he will stand for something, who unlike Morrison, who stood for little and attempted to gain the middle ground, which is where the ALP stand. To ever regain the treasury benches the Liberals they will have to offer an alternative, not more of the same. 
It’s going to be so sweet when every time spud jumps up to make a motion, Tony Burke springs to his feet,amd moves that the member for Dickson not be heard.
Good old spuddy boy will pop a valve at the injustice of it allWink


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:40am
So yet a further lurch to the Far Right is Bob's answer to the Liberal's failed fortunes.  Dead


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:49am
Where is BB going to have his next night of fine dining?


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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:59am
Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Dutton is odds on to be the next Liberal Leader, at least he will stand for something, who unlike Morrison, who stood for little and attempted to gain the middle ground, which is where the ALP stand. To ever regain the treasury benches the Liberals they will have to offer an alternative, not more of the same. 

 Boy...that just summed up why I am ashamed to have once been associated with the Libs, though when I was a Lib, they had some middle ground. 

 They should be just to the right of middle...not in the realm of fascism.

 There is more to life than a bank-balance. And owning a portfolio of property.

  Henry VIII died  centuries ago...

 We should all be allowed mushrooms.

 Dead


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:00pm
Less Trump, more Menzies.Wink


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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

So yet a further lurch to the Far Right is Bob's answer to the Liberal's failed fortunes.  Dead

 Astounding, isn't it...

 They don't understand the mood of the electorate, at all...

 Embarrassed


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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:03pm
All that happened last night was that the Libs lurched to the right and abandoned the center. A group of notionally Liberal women decided that they would have it thank you very much.

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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:07pm
Anyone would think based on that comment that the ALP did well. They lost more votes than the LNP I think. 

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Refer ALP Election Promises


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:08pm
Yet Elbow is a hero LOL

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Refer ALP Election Promises


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:20pm
Labor/Greens coalition 45%
Tory Coalition 35%


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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.

Simon Cameron



Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Anyone would think based on that comment that the ALP did well. They lost more votes than the LNP I think. 

 their percentage was far better than the Libs.

 You really don't have a clue as to what you are attempting to take the piss...

Tongue


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:30pm
We lose the great ones here too early. If he was American, John Howard would be be primed to be President or Speaker or leader of the senate or another 10- 15 years as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.




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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.

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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:32pm
 Note how oneone is targeting moi, this morning.

 Too many women in vision, now...

 


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:38pm
The immensely talented LOL Sophie Mirabella has been given a $387,960 per annum gig for life. I bet Grace would like one of those.


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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.

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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:44pm
Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Anyone would think based on that comment that the ALP did well. They lost more votes than the LNP I think. 

 their percentage was far better than the Libs.

 You really don't have a clue as to what you are attempting to take the piss...

Tongue
Really.  Nationally   LNP = 36%    ;   ALP = 32%

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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:45pm
 THEIR LOSS PERCENTAGE...

 Geek

 


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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:46pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

The immensely talented LOL Sophie Mirabella has been given a $387,960 per annum gig for life. I bet Grace would like one of those.
No doubt . Well on track I'd suggest. 

Elbow is loyal - if nothing else !


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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Anyone would think based on that comment that the ALP did well. They lost more votes than the LNP I think. 

 their percentage was far better than the Libs.

 You really don't have a clue as to what you are attempting to take the piss...

Tongue
Really.  Nationally   LNP = 36%    ;   ALP = 32%

 You're the one talking about LOST VOTES...

 Not voting percentages...

 Keep up.

  Wacko 


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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 THEIR LOSS PERCENTAGE...

 Geek

 
Well what were they ? Percentage national vote loss cpd to 2019

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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:51pm
 I you watched the ABC coverage, you'd know the Libs had a worse percentage of LOST VOTES...

 but you were too busy watching the Pinky Panthers thrash the chooks...and enjoying JWH being binned.

 


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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Anyone would think based on that comment that the ALP did well. They lost more votes than the LNP I think. 

 their percentage was far better than the Libs.

 You really don't have a clue as to what you are attempting to take the piss...

Tongue
Really.  Nationally   LNP = 36%    ;   ALP = 32%

 You're the one talking about LOST VOTES...

 Not voting percentages...

 Keep up.

  Wacko 
So what's the difference ? Maybe you can explain

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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:54pm
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 THEIR LOSS PERCENTAGE...

 Geek

 
Well what were they ? Percentage national vote loss cpd to 2019

 I'll leave that to PT. 

 I've got to pack an overnight bag to go to The Darling for the night. 

 And I've also got over twenty messages from fans on my fb page...

 far more important than arguing with the uninformed.

 Wink 


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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:56pm
Fact - more Australians voted for the LNP as their first choice than the ALP. 36 people per 100 vs 32 people per 100. BOTH parties lost a gelatiload of primary votes

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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 THEIR LOSS PERCENTAGE...

 Geek

 
Well what were they ? Percentage national vote loss cpd to 2019

 I'll leave that to PT. 

 I've got to pack an overnight bag to go to The Darling for the night. 

 And I've also got over twenty messages from fans on my fb page...

 far more important than arguing with the uninformed.

 Wink 
I'll take that as a cop out. No surprise there. 

Have a great time


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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 2:04pm
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Anyone would think based on that comment that the ALP did well. They lost more votes than the LNP I think. 

Who is the government this morning?


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Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Anyone would think based on that comment that the ALP did well. They lost more votes than the LNP I think. 

 their percentage was far better than the Libs.

 You really don't have a clue as to what you are attempting to take the piss...

Tongue
Really.  Nationally   LNP = 36%    ;   ALP = 32%

 You're the one talking about LOST VOTES...

 Not voting percentages...

 Keep up.

  Wacko 
So what's the difference ? Maybe you can explain
DONT DO IT!!!!

Many have attempted to explain maths to 1,1 to no availLOLLOL


Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 2:12pm
Can Albo now demand to see the Barnaby drought study that was texted to Scomo?


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 2:20pm
I think a good deal of Morrison, Barnaby, Angus's water dealings and agreements will be part of the Integrity Commissions enormous case load.

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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 2:30pm
The Tories determination not to have an integrity agency cost them a lot of Tory votes. Real conservatives are not into corruption and rorts.

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 2:35pm
Rowan Dean with Katherine Deves on Sky: "It's a victory as far as we're concerned. All the bed wetters got smashed… “

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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 5:50pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Rowan Dean with Katherine Deves on Sky: "It's a victory as far as we're concerned. All the bed wetters got smashed… “

 which one said that?

 Confused


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Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 5:56pm
Dean said that. Deves apparently she would run for election again.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 6:09pm
Can we get a form guide on Dan Tehan and Karen Andrews please ?

We know Peter Dutton is pure ugliness. 


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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 6:13pm
In opposition and in the wilderness you would suspect. 


Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 8:26pm
I've been driving past dozens of Josh and Monique posters for 2 months and never even knew what Monique stood for or who she was affiliated with. I've only just heard in the 6 o'clock news that she stood for "climate change and gender equality." Apparently because they were the 2 stand-out issues among the folks she visited around Kew/ Hawthorn etc. Deary me. The Lucky Country indeed.

I and others will scoff and shake our heads, but how on earth are the major parties going to stay relevant and/ or run a country when so many people's votes are influenced by such nebulous issues? I guess it'll be a matter of doing as little as possible for a few years while sounding nice, and waiting for people to care about other stuff again?

That's my expert political analysis. Plus I predict a rise in truly "far right" and "far left" groups, a bit like what's happened in France. When you try for a happy medium, the malcontents just go further to the extremes. There'll be far right whackos saying our country has turned into a marshmallow puffball, and far left whackos saying that promises and incremental changes aren't enough, we need real grass roots "revolution" etc.


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 8:50pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Can we get a form guide on Dan Tehan and Karen Andrews please ?

We know Peter Dutton is pure ugliness.


I was wondering about Dan myself as he & Angus Taylor have been mentioned as possibles.

https://dantehan.com.au/about-dan/" rel="nofollow - https://dantehan.com.au/about-dan/

Dan Tehan is a country boy at heart and is passionate about representing the people of Wannon.

Dan grew up on a family farm in rural Victoria, with his three brothers and two sisters. His father ran Merino sheep and Hereford cattle while his mother started her own small business in a nearby town to earn off-farm income.

From an early age, Dan’s parents and grandparents taught him that people in rural communities deserve a fair go and that you need to be prepared to stand up and fight for what you believe in.

Dan’s mother represented rural Victoria in our State Parliament, his father was actively involved in the Victorian Farmers Federation, and his grandfather helped form the National Farmers’ Federation.

Dan’s education, personal experience and career have given him a real understanding of the needs of people living in our region. Importantly, it has also taught him how to get the action to address these needs.

His education at a country primary school and high school taught him the importance of attracting and retaining the best teachers in our local schools. His Honours Degree at Melbourne University and Master’s Degree in Foreign Affairs and Trade at Monash University highlighted the importance of country students having access to an independent youth allowance that enables them to afford tertiary education. In between school and university, Dan spent a year working as a farmhand, witnessing first-hand the detrimental impact of the Hawke/Keating Government’s high-interest-rate policy of country Australia.

Dan’s career has always been involved in achieving outcomes for rural and regional communities. As a diplomat, Senior Adviser to the Deputy Prime Minister and Chief of Staff to the Minister for Small Business and Tourism he worked on real issues that have a direct impact on our communities: like reducing the level of regulation on small business, assisting farmers to sell their goods overseas and improving the standard of mobile phone and internet services in country areas.

Dan was sworn in as Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment on 22 December 2020.

Mr Tehan served as Minister for Education from 28 August 2018. Prior to this, he was the Minister for Social Services, and preceding this, the Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, Minister for Defence Personnel, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Cyber Security and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of Anzac.

Mr Tehan was elected to Federal Parliament in 2010 and has held positions including as the Chair of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security; Co-Chair of the Parliamentary Friends of Youth Mental Health, and; Chair of the Coalition Friends of Tourism.

https://www.angustaylor.com.au/about-angus" rel="nofollow - https://www.angustaylor.com.au/about-angus

Angus was elected to the Federal parliament in September 2013 as the Member for Hume. Following the 2019 federal election, he was appointed Minister for Energy and Emissions Reduction. 

Prior to entering parliament, Angus was a Director at Port Jackson Partners, where he was a strategy and business advisor on the resources, agriculture, energy and infrastructure sectors. Before this, he was a partner at global consulting firm McKinsey & Co. 

Angus has a Bachelor of Economics (First Class Honours and University Medal) and a Bachelor of Laws (Honours) from the University of Sydney. 

He has a Master of Philosophy in Economics from the University of Oxford, where he studied as a Rhodes Scholar and wrote a competition policy thesis. 

Building on his economics background, Angus was initially appointed to parliamentary committees on employment, trade and investment, and public accounts. He was also chair of the Joint Standing Committee on Treaties. 

In February 2016, he was appointed Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister with special responsibility for Cities and Digital Transformation. 

He was appointed Minister for Law Enforcement and Cyber Security in December 2017. 

In August 2018, Angus was promoted to Federal Cabinet as Minister for Energy. 

On 8 October 2021 Angus was sworn in as Minister for Industry, Energy and Emissions Reduction.

Angus grew up in southern NSW on a sheep and cattle property at Nimmitabel. 

He lives near Goulburn with his wife Louise and their four children Hamish, Olivia, Adelaide and Richard, aged 15-22. 

To stay fit, Angus trains for and regularly competes in triathlons and running events. He represented Australia for his age group at the triathlon World Championships in 2009. He also participates annually in Pollie Pedal, a cycling event to support national charity Soldier On. 



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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 8:52pm
A massive victory for Sky and its tiny rump of Skytards. Well done. Keep on keeping on.Clap

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Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:07pm
Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

I've been driving past dozens of Josh and Monique posters for 2 months and never even knew what Monique stood for or who she was affiliated with. I've only just heard in the 6 o'clock news that she stood for "climate change and gender equality." Apparently because they were the 2 stand-out issues among the folks she visited around Kew/ Hawthorn etc. Deary me. The Lucky Country indeed.

I and others will scoff and shake our heads, but how on earth are the major parties going to stay relevant and/ or run a country when so many people's votes are influenced by such nebulous issues? I guess it'll be a matter of doing as little as possible for a few years while sounding nice, and waiting for people to care about other stuff again?

That's my expert political analysis. Plus I predict a rise in truly "far right" and "far left" groups, a bit like what's happened in France. When you try for a happy medium, the malcontents just go further to the extremes. There'll be far right whackos saying our country has turned into a marshmallow puffball, and far left whackos saying that promises and incremental changes aren't enough, we need real grass roots "revolution" etc.
So you’ve driven past posters of her for 2 months, and never heard of her or her platform?
Someone that intellectually incurious, should not scoff or shake your head about any political issue.Wink

You’re not part of the 20% in the seat that thought they could vote Josh out of the electorate but keep him as treasurer?


Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:29pm
No I guess like most people I didn't see any big difference between the major parties, hate the greens and never pay much attention to randos on posters. In other words, I couldn't have cared less about this election. But I have to give credit to that Climate 200 mob, in the same way I give credit to Hillsong for sucking in so many people.


Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:54pm
 She's a smart girl...

 Ryan serves as the director of the Neurology department at the Royal Children’s Hospital,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne" rel="nofollow - Melbourne . Ryan has over 150 peer-reviewed publications and has been a principal investigator on a number of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trial" rel="nofollow - clinical trials . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monique_Ryan#cite_note-rch-4" rel="nofollow - [4]  She is joint editor of Neuromuscular disorders of infancy, childhood, and adolescence, now in its second edition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monique_Ryan#cite_note-5" rel="nofollow - [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monique_Ryan#cite_note-6" rel="nofollow - [6]

Ryan's publications have over 10,000 citations, and she has an  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-index" rel="nofollow - H index  of 50, which is a measure of the impact of her research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monique_Ryan#cite_note-6" rel="nofollow - [6]



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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:55pm
Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

No I guess like most people I didn't see any big difference between the major parties, hate the greens and never pay much attention to randos on posters. In other words, I couldn't have cared less about this election. But I have to give credit to that Climate 200 mob, in the same way I give credit to Hillsong for sucking in so many people.

 You and oneone have demonstrated why you are held in such high regard on issues on this forum...








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Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:57pm
Yeah I saw that a few hours ago. Good on her, seriously. She was impressively catty in an interview I saw last night too. No love lost between her and Josh!


Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 22 May 2022 at 11:59pm
You know how I could answer that second post, JJ.


Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 12:15am
See that’s the problem with you people that “don’t really care”
You just watch the bits you clandestinely agree with, and out your hands to your ears like a toddler, with the things that don’t fit your narrative.

You obviously missed Joshy’s “concession speech”
He said, it’s mathematically possible but difficult, then spoke for 6 or 7 minutes thanking a few and talking himself up.
No concession other than “it’s difficult “
No congratulations 
No naming the victor
No wishes of good luck.

He is a very small man


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 12:26am
To be humble in victory and gracious in defeat shows strength of character , so they say . Wink


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 9:37am
Some interesting takes from the right leaning vanquished and their media enablers. 

Apparently Libs lost because they didn't go hard enough to the right. 

Lib party room as small as it is now should be pretty lively.


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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:46am
Will this guy be a voice in the wilderness?

NSW Liberal Treasurer Matt Kean has labelled the federal election loss an "unmitigated disaster" and says the party needs to "get its act together" to win back the support of those it has abandoned.

Key points:

  • Matt Kean said the Liberals could be celebrating a win in Warringah if they had chosen the right candidate
  • He said constituents in heartland seats had given their vote to those promising more action on climate change
  • NSW Labor leader Chris Minns said there was no guarantee his party could win the state election next year

The comments come after the Liberal Party lost three Sydney seats to so-called teal independents, with moderate Liberal MPs unseated in Wentworth, North Sydney and Mackellar.

Mr Kean, a moderate Liberal powerbroker, said the results show the Liberal Party clearly misread the electorates.

"They've abandoned the centre ground and they have paid the price," he told the ABC.

"The community has said loud and clear that extremism in politics, not having the solutions to the big challenges our nation is facing, like climate change, are not acceptable. So voters in our heartland seats have looked elsewhere for the solution.

"I mean it's an unmitigated disaster. What we saw is our traditional Liberal Party voters abandoning the Liberal Party for the people that want to take stronger action on climate change."

Mr Kean, who had previously been a vocal opponent of the former government's action on climate change, said the party needed to form "sincere policies" for women and stand up for integrity in politics.

He suggested the federal party has shifted too far to the right.



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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:54am
He has been very vocal on this in recent weeks. He is also the Lib who called on Labor for vote for moderate Liberals rather than teal independents in the seats that flipped on the weekend, to try to save the Liberal Party.




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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 11:02am


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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 11:48am

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Putting in Dutton to move the Liberal party even further to the right completely misses the point. If Dutton is seen as the answer what the hell is the question? This move will not bring us back.


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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 11:49am
 Looking at that list, the Libs are very short on talent...

 


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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 11:52am
Most of their ''stars'' particularly moderates were booted on Saturday. Only right wing cookers left.

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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 11:53am
Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

You know how I could answer that second post, JJ.

 well...gee...you tell us that you are educating your students about the election...but then say you didn't even take notice of half of what was going on...and then didn't vote...

 
here's a few more...


LOLLOLLOL


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 12:24pm

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/05/23/climate-change-gillard-election-alan-kohler/" rel="nofollow - https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/05/23/climate-change-gillard-election-alan-kohler/



Any political party anywhere still pushing for the burning of fossil fuels in 2025 will be ridiculed and unelectable.

And by the way, the latest refrain of the anti-warmists in News Corp and the National Party is that nothing Australia does can affect the temperature of the planet because our emissions are tiny compared with China, the US and Europe.

The seed of the Liberals’ downfall

Quite true, but it’s the litterbug defence: It’s just one coffee cup, officer, no real harm done. Any politician who seriously tries that one will be looking for a job as a Murdoch opinion writer.

The Coalition gave up the ghost on climate change in September 2018 when two weeks after he took over as leader, Scott Morrison dumped the National Energy Guarantee developed by Josh Frydenberg – the last vestige of an effective policy.

In doing that, and refusing to legislate the Paris emissions-reduction target, Morrison set the Liberal Party on a course for electoral disaster.

He should have lost in 2019 but Bill Shorten frightened the nation’s retirees with the loss of franking credits. That election was like 1993, which John Hewson should have won but managed to lose with Fightback! and his plan for a GST.



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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 1:14pm
 Shorten also had that 'rape' accusation hanging over his head. I talked to a lot of voters who said they'd never vote for him, because of it. This was an interesting take on it...

  https://www.crikey.com.au/justice/" rel="nofollow - Justice

Why the Shorten and Porter cases are different — and why that’s not the point



Our system of justice does not stand still. It evolves with us, and we need to remember that.

At the last federal election, I voted for the Labor candidate in my electorate. I am not a member of any party. I voted Labor, because it at least promised some policies to give our planet a fighting chance.

I did not know at that time of the rape allegations against Bill Shorten, which I now know he has strenuously denied. I am not sure why I didn’t know. Partly, Shorten’s case was reported differently in the media than in the case of the allegations against Christian Porter. Porter also strenuously denies the allegations against him.

I was also busy, with a young family, work and life generally. Would I have voted for Labor, if I had know about the allegations against Shorten, the police investigation, and the outcome of that investigation? I’m not totally sure, but probably yes.

 It would not, however, have been a vote for Shorten. That is contradictory, but again, my one concern at the last election (and continuing) is stopping the denialism about the climate catastrophe that is staring us all in the face.

 Does Shorten’s case provide a valid precedent with respect to the current allegations against Porter? No. This is not because of the differences between the two cases that some media and commentators have identified, such as Shorten having been questioned by police and Porter having not.

It is not a valid precedent because our society, the values we hold, and our system of justice do not stand still. If they did, a husband would still have a defence in law to a charge of raping his wife.

The fundamental difference, the shift that has occurred, is that we no longer accept that the inability to prosecute and prove beyond reasonable doubt a charge of sexual assault means that such allegations should either not be raised or, if raised, not be seriously investigated in a civil context, particularly when fitness for public office is concerned.

As a lawyer, there are a number of things I do not understand about the statements made by Porter at the press conference he gave last week. Surely he must have known that this is not (and never was nor could have been, given the woman took her life before giving a formal statement to NSW Police) about his presumption of innocence to a criminal charge. 



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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 3:20pm

Bridget Archer considering tilt for spot on federal Liberal leadership team after Josh Frydenberg's election loss

Outspoken Tasmanian MP Bridget Archer says she is considering putting her hand up to become the next leader or deputy leader of the Liberal Party.

Key points:

  • Ms Archer says she "certainly will consider" throwing her hat in the ring for a leadership role
  • Peter Dutton, Karen Andrews and Dan Tehan are also names being thrown about for leadership
  • Veteran Tasmanian senator Eric Abetz, who is fighting to retain his seat, believes it is too early for Ms Archer to take on a leadership role

Ms Archer — who is considered likely to retain her difficult-to-win seat of Bass — will be one of few moderate voices left in the party room after formerly blue seats like Kooyong and Goldstein were won by so-called teal independents.

Asked on ABC Radio Hobart whether she would throw her hat in the ring for a leadership role, Ms Archer said she "certainly will give it some consideration".

"I think I'll just have to wait until the party room meets to see what the final make-up is of the party room, talk to some colleagues and things like that," Ms Archer said.

"I care about where we go to next. I care that we do learn some lessons from this and return to the best interests of Australians and put ideological considerations aside … I will do everything I can to fight to ensure it remains the Liberal Party."



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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 3:29pm
Bridget Archer was one of 5 Liberal members who threatened to cross the floor to kill Morrison's Religious Discrimination Bill that wasn't going to protect LGBTQI or trans people from being vilified. Morrison punished them all by not supporting them in this election. Archer was the only one of the 5 to hold her seat.

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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 3:43pm
Cut off his nose to spite his face?


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 3:48pm
Doubled down by captain's picking Katherine Deves to help get rid of the Sydney ones, Zimmerman, Sharma and Martin. They pleaded with him to dump Deves but he refused and they all sunk anong with Katie Allen in Victoria. 

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 5:03pm
Fun fact: 18 seats have changed hands so far. Libs have won zero of them.

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 6:48pm
Wonder what Mark McGowan really thinks of Spuddo?

http://twitter.com/IH8SHOKJOKS/status/1528591983358251009" rel="nofollow - http://twitter.com/IH8SHOKJOKS/status/1528591983358251009


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Posted By: jujuno
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 7:03pm
 hahaha..."he's an extremist and I don't think he's that smart....not much there..."






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Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 7:06pm
Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

You know how I could answer that second post, JJ.


 well...gee...you tell us that you are educating your students about the election...but then say you didn't even take notice of half of what was going on...and then didn't vote...

 
here's a few more...


LOLLOLLOL

True.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 8:03pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Bridget Archer was one of 5 Liberal members who threatened to cross the floor to kill Morrison's Religious Discrimination Bill that wasn't going to protect LGBTQI or trans people from being vilified. Morrison punished them all by not supporting them in this election. Archer was the only one of the 5 to hold her seat.

Archer clearly has no chance of leading the Libs, and a senior shadow position is similarly unlikely - and she knows this full well. What she's rather doing imo (apart from perhaps aiming for a minor opposition portfolio) is making an implicit statement about Women in the Party and the need for that Party to again become a "broad church", one accepting of well-argued dissent on issues of conscience.

Best of luck Bridget, given the likely Masculine Warmonger as leader of the Liberals.  Dead






Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 8:08pm
Yes it was more that the way moderates were dropping, if the party wants to modify it's direction, she may be the only option. 

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Posted By: marble
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 8:53pm
The spud is in - he has the numbers. Could be a long time in the wilderness with this nasty bit of work leading them up


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 9:03pm
Spud and Barnyard...how can they go wrong?

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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 9:27pm
Interesting that those on the left centre on this forum want to bag Dutton. Why might that be so ? Because they all know Dutton will take on the ALP head on and will stand up for centre right policies, not the wishy washy policies that the Liberals took to the election, and we all know how that finished up.

Of all the Liberals who lost their seats the majority were from the left of the Liberal Party. Zimmerman, Sharma, Allen, Wilson and even Frydenberg was of the left, whereas those of the right held their held their seats , Hastie, Dutton and Hamilton are examples.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 9:29pm
 All strength to him Bob, I really hope he gets the gig.

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 9:36pm
All those of the (Liberal) Left?  Shocked.  Bob you have absolutely no f*cking idea.  

And I'm holding you here to a Bob-funded lunch, rather sooner than later.


Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 9:36pm
PT, he is odds on, glad to see he has your supportWink


Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 9:41pm
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

All those of the (Liberal) Left?  Shocked.  Bob you have absolutely no f*cking idea.  

And I'm holding you here to a Bob-funded lunch, rather sooner than later.

Unlike that post, I hope you limit your swearing at that luncheon, I am rather reserved.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 9:41pm
 Alan Tudge retained his seat with it being declared today. What happens now that he doesn't have Morrison to protect him? Will a new Lib leader do the same?

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 9:48pm
Just accept and pay up as agreed Bob. Otherwise I might well express another less favorable colloquialism. Wink 


Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 9:49pm
Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Interesting that those on the left centre on this forum want to bag Dutton. Why might that be so ? Because they all know Dutton will take on the ALP head on and will stand up for centre right policies, not the wishy washy policies that the Liberals took to the election, and we all know how that finished up.

Of all the Liberals who lost their seats the majority were from the left of the Liberal Party. Zimmerman, Sharma, Allen, Wilson and even Frydenberg was of the left, whereas those of the right held their held their seats , Hastie, Dutton and Hamilton are examples.
I want to bag him cos he’s a FRNJ, the feral few he represents,have been a scourge on our society for a decade.They want to rule for the very few against the interests of the vast majority of the population.

The thing in his favour, is that appears we’ll be jailing quite a few of his colleagues before it’s his turn….



Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 9:51pm
Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Interesting that those on the left centre on this forum want to bag Dutton. Why might that be so ? Because they all know Dutton will take on the ALP head on and will stand up for centre right policies, not the wishy washy policies that the Liberals took to the election, and we all know how that finished up.

Of all the Liberals who lost their seats the majority were from the left of the Liberal Party. Zimmerman, Sharma, Allen, Wilson and even Frydenberg was of the left, whereas those of the right held their held their seats , Hastie, Dutton and Hamilton are examples.
I want to bag him cos he’s a FRNJ, the feral few he represents,have been a scourge on our society for a decade.They want to rule for the very few against the interests of the vast majority of the population.

The thing in his favour, is that appears we’ll be jailing quite a few of his colleagues before it’s his turn….


my turn ???? Do you mean Dutton ?


Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 9:59pm
Jeez Bobbie, how much of this garbage do you watch?

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1528649561241182209?s=20&t=w8P73a0dWWIkyHUCZHHWgg" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1528649561241182209?s=20&t=w8P73a0dWWIkyHUCZHHWgg


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:01pm
Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Interesting that those on the left centre on this forum want to bag Dutton. Why might that be so ? Because they all know Dutton will take on the ALP head on and will stand up for centre right policies, not the wishy washy policies that the Liberals took to the election, and we all know how that finished up.

Of all the Liberals who lost their seats the majority were from the left of the Liberal Party. Zimmerman, Sharma, Allen, Wilson and even Frydenberg was of the left, whereas those of the right held their held their seats , Hastie, Dutton and Hamilton are examples.
I want to bag him cos he’s a FRNJ, the feral few he represents,have been a scourge on our society for a decade.They want to rule for the very few against the interests of the vast majority of the population.

The thing in his favour, is that appears we’ll be jailing quite a few of his colleagues before it’s his turn….

“the feral few” - LOL - clueless ! The LNP still got the largest single Primary vote - more than the Greens , more than the combines Teals & yes - more than the ALP

Get a grip pls Rusty - now your just being silly


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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:01pm
Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Jeez Bobbie, how much of this garbage do you watch?

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1528649561241182209?s=20&t=w8P73a0dWWIkyHUCZHHWgg" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1528649561241182209?s=20&t=w8P73a0dWWIkyHUCZHHWgg
That was on SKY on Sunday , I was out all day.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:05pm
Rowan sounds like he is auditioning for the big cooker factory in the US, Fox News.

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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:06pm
If Australia sunk into the ocean tomorrow we would still have 98.9% of current Co2 levels

But c’mon - let’s all make a difference 😂


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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:11pm
If Australia sunk into the ocean tomorrow sea levels would rise and take out all our Pacific friends.

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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:14pm
True. Hopefully the Cook Islands would go first

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:14pm
and maxie would be upset because Tim Flannery would have been proven right.

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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:19pm
I think we can safely say Tim was slightly off the mark. Refer desal plants mothballed & plan to increase height of Warragamba Dam LOL

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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:22pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

and maxie would be upset because Tim Flannery would have been proven right.
Poor bloody Macca - this result could well be the last straw. JJ clones - genetically improved - running the joint !

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Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 11:36pm


Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 11:39pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

and maxie would be upset because Tim Flannery would have been proven right.

Jesus. This is like a time warp.



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