Best horses never to win a group 1 race
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Topic: Best horses never to win a group 1 race
Posted By: djebel
Subject: Best horses never to win a group 1 race
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 1:37pm
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Who are the best horses never to win at the highest level in Australasia ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 1:43pm
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Catkins instantly comes to mind ------------- Time is a flat circle |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 1:49pm
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My automatic short list is - At Sea Joanne Show County Stargazer Brave Warrior ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Rhino
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 2:30pm
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Staggering to think your top 3 did not win a G1. They were very good sprinters. I reckon if they were around today, they would all have at least one. I remember the old joke about Show County, a rocket out of the gates and jockey B Wood glued to the saddle.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 3:24pm
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Brian Wood, Max Wiggin and Doyles Seafood, nice partnership.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 3:44pm
| Crisp? |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 4:13pm
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He was before group/graded races.
He did though win what are now grade 1 jumps races in the UK. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2021 at 5:29pm
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If before Group racing SHADOW KING. Placed in 4 Melbourne Cups won MV Cup, Hotham, Herbert Power. ------------- |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 5:36pm
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Kessem Big Dreams. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 5:52pm
| Good call re Big Dreams. 24 stakes performances, winning eight at Gp2 or Gp3 level, with six Gp1 placings. |
Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 7:23pm
| Love Conquers All was a constant bridesmaid at group 1level . |
Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 12:58pm
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Anyone remember a colt called Brave Warrior, trained in Brisbane by Eric Kirwin in the mid-1990’s? Ran in 8 G1 races in his career & placed in 5 of them ranging in distance from 1500m-2400m. The only reason he popped to mind is that there’s a Brave Warrior running around at Ballina today in Race 3.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 1:10pm
Foxy, That new Brave Warrior was the very horse that inspired this thread.  ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 1:19pm
| The old Brave Warrior got bumped off in those G1 races by some damn good gallopers like Durbridge, Danewin & Turridu. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 1:27pm
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6 stakes wins and nine stakes placings just 22 starts. Died prematurely after just two seasons at stud, but left 7 stakes-winners from only 107 live foals including four times Gp1 winner and excellent sire Show A Heart.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 1:28pm
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His Magic Millions win was stunningly spectacular. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2021 at 12:00pm
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Groucho. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2021 at 2:00pm
What an honest campaigner he was in the late 80’s 51 starts - 12 wins - 20 placings - $806,110 in prizemoney I think Vo Rogue bumped him off in a George Main Stakes, can still recall Ian Craigs race call ‘his Sydney hoodoo finally been broken”. It was Vo’s only win in Sydney. Groucho was pretty popular at stud too for a few decades after he retired.
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djebel wrote:Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2021 at 3:59pm
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It was whilst going through the form of Vo Rogue that I was reminded of Groucho.
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Posted By: brave_ponies
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2021 at 6:19pm
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Catkins' 3yo Gracilistyla made a nice debut for 3rd at Kenso today (despite a dubious ride). He's a grey like mum
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Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2021 at 1:00pm
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Here’s a good one, not only did he not win a G1 but he never won a black type race. Amazing when you look at his top 4 placings in Australia. ROYAL CREATION (NZ) 1989 Toorak Handicap- 4th 1990 Underwood Stakes - 2nd 1990 Turnbull Stskes - 2nd 1991 Chipping Norton - 2nd 1991 Rawson Stakes- 2nd 1991 Doncaster Handicap 2nd 1991 Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2nd 1991 Warwick Stakes 3rd 1991 Chelmsford Stakes 2nd 1991 Epsom Handicap 4th 1991 Caulfield Cup 3rd
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2021 at 1:13pm
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WOW! I remember backing him in the 1990 Turnbull because he got about 2 or 3 kilos off Better Loosen Up. Probably the only time in BLUs career I bet against him. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2021 at 1:52pm
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Quite an astonishing place getting record & I’ve probably missed a few black type placings back in NZ too. My memory of him was triggered by just watching a replay of the 1991 Rawson Stakes on YouTube. 1. Super Impose 2. Royal Creation 3. Dr Grace Would be interesting to see a list of the other horses that knocked him off in G1 races.
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Posted By: Nobody
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2021 at 8:03pm
Pretty sure he lost three G1's by less than a head. To Sound Horizon, Warning and Vo Rogue.
I was at Randwick the day when Sound Horizon leapt out of the ground and nabbed him in the last few strides of the Epsom. Interesting fact about Groucho - he was Damien Oliver's first group winner. Olly picked up the ride as an apprentice, coming up from Freedmans melbourne stable due to the senior jockeys strike. |
Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2023 at 11:34am
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PENTASTIC (NZ) Won nearly $2m in a 48 start career but never cracked it for a G1 victory - but he could sure rack up top 4 finishes in G1’s: 2001 VRC Derby - 3rd 2002 Canterbury Guineas - 2nd 2002 Rosehill Guineas - 3rd 2002 AJC Derby - 3rd 2003 AJC Queen Elizabeth Stks - 2nd 2003 Underwood Stks - 4th 2003 Mackinnon Stks - 2nd 2003 Melb Cup - 4th 2004 Australian Cup - 4th 2004 AJC Queen Elizabeth Stks - 3rd 2004 Doomben Cup - 2nd 2004 Brisbane Cup - 2nd |