Incentivise
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Topic: Incentivise
Posted By: Grey Affair
Subject: Incentivise
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 3:22pm
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Very impressive again today. Admittedly it was a BM78 but he has won by panels. At his previous start he defeated Happy Go Plucky by 9 lengths & that horse just won the Ipswich Cup. Kheir & Sokolski have bought into him & he will be going to Moody.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/superracing/ipswich-boom-stayer-incentivise-emerges-as-a-melbourne-cup-prospect-after-winning-provincial-stayers-final-in-a-canter/news-story/e9bb663cc8d9744f69b0bb8570088217" rel="nofollow - http://www.news.com.au/sport/superracing/ipswich-boom-stayer-incentivise-emerges-as-a-melbourne-cup-prospect-after-winning-provincial-stayers-final-in-a-canter/news-story/e9bb663cc8d9744f69b0bb8570088217
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 3:31pm
Ah Grey Affair , I said before you were a good judge lol , you have beat me to it , you old rascal you  very impressive again today , by Shamus Award , going to make a name for himself , now believe it or not , I'm going to read your post.
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 3:34pm
Looking at Caloundra Cup if he pulls up okay
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Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 3:40pm
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Half brother to Bergerac who won the Ipswich Cup in 2019 as well as a Mackay Cup & Bernborough Hdcp.
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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 7:20pm
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Certainly an interesting horse to emerge from nowhere. Lots of old school Qld blood in the dam side with the likes of Semipalatinsk, Head Over Heels & Aloe.
But why would the new owners want to change trainers? No slight against Moods but Steve Trega has moulded the horse so far & trains heaps of winners himself. So why not leave the horse with him?
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 7:25pm
Probably just as simple as the horse is good enough to come to Melb for a Spring prep but does Steve send 1 down and stay in QLD or do you just change to a trainer down here.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 7:56pm
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June 17 Racenet
PRE RACE WIN
Spring Incentive: Owners buy major stake in hype horseA likely dearth of European raiders during the Melbourne spring has inspired leviathan owner https://www.racenet.com.au/news/big-owner-pledges-to-continue-support-for-racing-but-what-about-smaller-owners-20200401" rel="nofollow - Brae Sokolski
to take a punt on emerging Queensland galloper Incentivise, who is set
to head to trainer Peter Moody to target staying features later in the
year. Sokolski, along with prominent owner Ozzie Kheir purchased
50 per cent of the four-year-old during the week, with current trainer,
owner and breeder Steve Tregea to stay in the ownership going forward. Tregea
is set to have the final say on whether Incentivise presses on after
Saturday’s Provincial Stayers Final (2500m) at Ipswich, where he will
start a prohibitive odds-on favourite or heads straight to Victoria. Moody, who has one of the favourites in Saturday’s Ipswich Cup, will now also have one eye on Incentivise earlier in the day. Now
sporting Sokolski’s famous colours worn by Yes Yes Yes to win The
Everest in 2019, Incentivise grabbed the attention of many after his
dominant nine-length win at Eagle Farm a fortnight ago. “I have
fallen in love with the horse this preparation and after his last start I
basically pursued him and Steve was kind enough to work with me and we
struck a deal about 48 hours ago to buy half the horse – myself and
Ozzie Kheir,” Sokolski said.
“He will be trained by Steve for the remainder of the preparation and
then be transferred to Peter Moody to target some of the better staying
races in Melbourne during the spring. “I think he is one of the
most exciting and progressive stayers in the country and in the context
of an environment this year where there will probably be a paucity of
international raiders and horses acquired from Europe, it is probably
the right time for a local stayer to put his hand up as being a major
chance in a staying race here.” Sokolski said Incentivise first
caught his eye when winning over 2150m in Toowoomba but became
irresistible following his romp at Eagle Farm. He admitted there
was a chance the gelding may have reached his peak, but he is happy to
find out with his assignment at Ipswich set to be a nervous watch for
the multiple Group 1-winning owner who also has part ownership in the
likes of Verry Eleegant, Sir Dragonet and Yes Yes Yes. What a win! Incentivise storms home to win the first at Eagle Farm https://twitter.com/BrisRacingClub?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - @BrisRacingClub for trainer Steve Tregea. https://t.co/wPNeOCNeNF" rel="nofollow - pic.twitter.com/wPNeOCNeNF — SKY Racing (@SkyRacingAU) https://twitter.com/SkyRacingAU/status/1400989580359192576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - June 5, 2021 “The
horse has got a long way to go, firstly he has to get his rating up and
secondly he has to prove he is up to that class but all you can do is
back your judgment and I think he is the right horse at the right time,”
he said. “No one knows what his level is, he may have peaked but
intuitively I think the horse has improvement and physically he is a
big, rangy horse that I think still has furnishing to do.” While
the horse is set to leave Tregea’s stable, Sokolski said it was not a
case of believing Moody could do a better job with him. “He was
happy to do that, it wasn’t about me determining that Peter was going to
train the horse better than Steve it was more a case of targeting those
staying races that Pete is very familiar with and it is in his own
backyard so it made sense,” he said. Incentivise could head to
the Listed Caloundra Cup (2400m) in a fortnight’s time if he comes out
of Saturday’s race in good order. POST RACE:
Peter Moody has never won a Melbourne or Caulfield Cup but now finds
himself with a live chance thanks to boom Toowoomba stayer Incentivise
who again demolished his rivals at Ipswich on Saturday. https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/superracing/brae-sokolski-targets-spring-features-with-incentivise-with-europeans-unlikely/news-story/989bd42da36eca22ab320d4eaa06e9d8" rel="nofollow - After being bought by leviathan owners Brae Sokolski and Ozzie Kheir during the week ,
many suspected the four-year-old may be untapped and their opinion was
franked with the 9½-length win in the Provincial Stayers Final (2500m)
in what could be his last start for trainer Steve Tregea. Moody –
who is set to receive the horse to target spring features – is known
for his work with Black Caviar but Incentivise’s romp evoked memories of
the great mare, toying with his rivals at a prohibitive odds-on quote. Incentivise too good in the stayers race at https://twitter.com/IpswichTurfClub?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - @IpswichTurfClub Anthony Allen kicked clear at the turn and was never in doubt ?? https://t.co/1HXyEPQGuM" rel="nofollow - pic.twitter.com/1HXyEPQGuM — SKY Racing (@SkyRacingAU) https://twitter.com/SkyRacingAU/status/1406082638390067204?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - June 19, 2021 Such was his dominance, bookmakers slashed his Caulfield Cup quote from $51 to $26 and Melbourne Cup price to $51 from $101. Watching on from Victoria, Moody said he is excited for the future holds after stringing together his fifth consecutive win. “He still looks like a big baby but he is having a lot of fun putting them a way,” he said. “The boys (Sokolski and Kheir) identified him on rating as being a very nice horse and obviously he is that. “It was a very impressive win as you would like to see them win given the clients have agreed to buy into the horse.” Having produced a number of top-class horses, Tregea said he was
unsure where to place Incentivise but agreed he is on the right path. The Toowoomba trainer will retain 50 per cent of the horse going forward. “He
hasn’t beat good horses yet so we have to wait and see but the way he
is doing it he seems to like it and he must have a big set of lungs on
him to do what he did,” he said. “He is growing up run by run, he
is eating plenty but we have done enough with him to make sure he
wasn’t heavier than last time because we were conscious of the fact we
were going 1800m to 2500m which was always the plan but we had to be
mindful. “I am just pleased the race worked out, we decided to go
forward to take luck out of it, I said you can lead but I’m not keen on
it.” Tregea confirmed he could make the decision to press on to
the Listed Caloundra Cup (2400m) in a fortnight’s time if he is showing
no signs of slowing down.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2021 at 7:58pm
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He's got lots of winning 1/2 syblings so didn't come from nothing. The dam has 3 stakes winners to her name. The same thing in all of them. Redoute's Choice line sire over the Last Tycoon sire line for the dam.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 10:42am
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Also sitting in the pedigree is Yodells who as the dam of Yippyio almost had a Melbourne Cup winner herself. Aloe who could get a miler + like Mode (Brisbane Cup and Queensland Oaks). While Felstead had two Epsom Oaks winners who have had a big role in the Australasian thoroughbred in Rockfel and Steady Aim.
Danzig and Bletchingly decend from their female family. And Bletchingly's best son Kingston had Rockefella son of Rockfel in his dams pedigree also.
Shamus Award has got them over a trip (but not 3200m yet) with Oaks and Derby winners while the 2nd dam had a 1500m by Iglesia (which was a trip for that breed so the female line can get a middle distance type).
While Pearls and Mink (daughter of Aloe) was dam of an Oaks winner.
I think probably 2400m will see him out but there doesn't look to be a stampede of horses coming this season so why not give it a go.
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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2021 at 9:24pm
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I see he’s nominated for the Tattersalls Cup at Eagle Farm on Saturday - a G3 race SW+P over 2400m.
Might as well run and get him past the qualifying clause for the Spring Cups.
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2021 at 8:28am
 furious wrote:
Also sitting in the pedigree is Yodells who as the dam of Yippyio almost had a Melbourne Cup winner herself. Aloe who could get a miler + like Mode (Brisbane Cup and Queensland Oaks). While Felstead had two Epsom Oaks winners who have had a big role in the Australasian thoroughbred in Rockfel and Steady Aim.
Danzig and Bletchingly decend from their female family. And Bletchingly's best son Kingston had Rockefella son of Rockfel in his dams pedigree also.
Shamus Award has got them over a trip (but not 3200m yet) with Oaks and Derby winners while the 2nd dam had a 1500m by Iglesia (which was a trip for that breed so the female line can get a middle distance type).
While Pearls and Mink (daughter of Aloe) was dam of an Oaks winner.
I think probably 2400m will see him out but there doesn't look to be a stampede of horses coming this season so why not give it a go. |
Thanks for the in-depth insight Furious  |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2021 at 2:33pm
Lord Hybrow wrote:
Certainly an interesting horse to emerge from nowhere. Lots of old school Qld blood in the dam side with the likes of Semipalatinsk, Head Over Heels & Aloe.
But why would the new owners want to change trainers? No slight against Moods but Steve Trega has moulded the horse so far & trains heaps of winners himself. So why not leave the horse with him? |
I know this is not a factor that most people look at Lord. but I can count on one hand the number of cups winners and place getters this century that did not have their full cups prep in Melbourne or at least Victoria.
I actually think Steve Tregea is a very good trainer, but when you have a potential cups horse unless you are talking Hayes or Murray Baker or someone who has already prepared a cups winner outside Victoria, you are starting at a disadvantage.
I do not know what prep Steve would have given the horse but my guess is he would have come through NSW in either the Newcastle Cup or Metrop and then onto Melbourne, and that is not a good prep if you want to win either cups.
I think Steve is okay with it because he now has a 50% share in the horse and the money from the sale to the new owners, he has sent the horse to a good trainer (yet to prove himself in either cup, but he is showing potential), and there are plenty of options if he does not measure up or make the cups fields.
Good decision IMO 
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Posted By: Take2
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2021 at 2:35pm
furious wrote:
Also sitting in the pedigree is Yodells who as the dam of Yippyio almost had a Melbourne Cup winner herself. Aloe who could get a miler + like Mode (Brisbane Cup and Queensland Oaks). While Felstead had two Epsom Oaks winners who have had a big role in the Australasian thoroughbred in Rockfel and Steady Aim.
Danzig and Bletchingly decend from their female family. And Bletchingly's best son Kingston had Rockefella son of Rockfel in his dams pedigree also.
Shamus Award has got them over a trip (but not 3200m yet) with Oaks and Derby winners while the 2nd dam had a 1500m by Iglesia (which was a trip for that breed so the female line can get a middle distance type).
While Pearls and Mink (daughter of Aloe) was dam of an Oaks winner.
I think probably 2400m will see him out but there doesn't look to be a stampede of horses coming this season so why not give it a go. |
descends from the great taproot charm, ancestress of many many very good horses
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 2:46pm
Freakish
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 2:51pm
wowzers
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 2:52pm
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His last 3 starts are on good surfaces.
I guess today must be close to 9 lengths again.
I have never seen a horse do this.
You see jumpers and mud larks win by these margins but not a horse racing on good surfaces.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 2:58pm
| INCENTIVISE (AUS) | Bay gelding 2016 | |
Shamus Award
Bay 2010 | Snitzel
Bay 2002 | Redoute's Choice
Bay 1996 | Danehill
Bay 1986 | Danzig
Razyana | 1977
1981 | 7-a
2-d | Shantha's Choice
Bay 1992 | Canny Lad
Dancing Show | 1987
1983 | 14>
8-f | Snippets' Lass
Bay 1993 | Snippets
Bay 1984 | Lunchtime
Easy Date | 1970
1977 | 7-f
20-a | Snow Finch
Bay 1984 | Storm Bird
A Realgirl | 1978
1976 | 4-j
2-c | Sunset Express
Brown 1999 | Success Express
Bay 1985 | Hold Your Peace
Bay 1969 | Speak John
Blue Moon | 1958
1948 | 1-l
12-b | Au Printemps
Bay 1979 | Dancing Champ
Lorgnette | 1972
1964 | 4-r
17-b | Finito Fling
Chestnut 1992 | Luskin Star
Chestnut 1974 | Kaoru Star
Promising | 1965
1968 | 31>
2-e | From the Wood
Chestnut 1985 | Tap on Wood
Aligote | 1976
1980 | 14-f
16> | Miss Argyle
Bay 2004 | Iglesia
Brown 1995 | Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983 | Try My Best
Bay 1975 | Northern Dancer
Sex Appeal | 1961
1970 | 2-d
8-f | Mill Princess
Bay 1977 | Mill Reef
Irish Lass | 1968
1962 | 22-d
8-c | Yodells
Chestnut 1988 | Marscay
Chestnut 1979 | Biscay
Heart of Market | 1965
1967 | 2-o
4-m | Yodelling Lady
Chestnut 1979 | Paris Review
Alpine Pass | 1972
1970 | 1-l
1-c | Precious Pearl
Bay 1992 | Semipalatinsk
Bay 1978 | Nodouble
Chestnut 1965 | Noholme
Abla-Jay | 1956
1955 | 1-u
A1 | School Board
Bay 1968 | Reverse
Merry Marlboro | 1962
1954 | A4
23-b | Showsay
Brown 1979 | Head Over Heels
Bay 1971 | Baldric
Fall in Love | 1961
1962 | 13-c
4-c | Mink and Pearls
Brown 1974 | Aloe
Coronella | 1960
1959 | 14-b
2-e |
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Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 2:59pm
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WOW, amazing effort and backed up, I'm told he is a horse that gets off the bit and relaxes, then when picked up and given a tap, he gets going and keeps going.
Interesting he has no line breeding through the five generations, I've not looked any further. In many of the stayers pedigrees it seems common, would you call it Hybrid vigor?
Seeing what Furious has written he has the family influences.
I hope he gets to the cup, another star to watch and get excited about, An Aust bred, just what this country needs.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 3:03pm
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12 lengths.
He deadset rode him like Malcolm Johnston on Kingston Town.
He took off around the 2nd horse and the horse was like push button stopped and started on command.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 3:08pm
| Race 6 - 2:42PM TATTERSALL'S CUP (2400 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting |
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Of $200,000.1st $116,000, 2nd $37,000, 3rd $18,000, 4th $9,750, 5th $5,500, 6th $2,750, 7th $2,750, 8th $2,750, 9th $2,750, 10th $2,750
A 1% deduction for Equine Welfare will be applied to all prizemoney prior to distribution.GROUP 3
Set Weights plus Penalties, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.
Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 4 Time: 2:29.76 Last 600m: 0:35.70 Timing Method: Electronic INTERIM RESULTS |
| Colour | Finish | No. | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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 | 1 | 4 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjMyNjcwOTk5MzQ%3d&stage=Results&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNDQ1ODg1ODg%3d" rel="nofollow - INCENTIVISE | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=OTE3NDU0NzI%3d&trainername=Steve+Tregea" rel="nofollow - Steve Tregea | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MzY2MDAwNzQxNg%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Anthony Allen | | 6 | 55kg | | |  | 2 | 1 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjQxNDAwMDcyOTQ%3d&stage=Results&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNDE4OTY0MTg%3d" rel="nofollow - MIRAGE DANCER (GB) | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=MzY4MDY0Mjc4NA%3d%3d&trainername=Trent+Busuttin+%26+Natalie+Young" rel="nofollow - Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=OTY2ODM0MTg%3d" rel="nofollow - Jim Byrne | 12L | 5 | 59kg | | |  | 3 | 5 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjQyMjEwOTkxMzY%3d&stage=Results&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNDU5NTA3ODA%3d" rel="nofollow - TRADUCE (NZ) | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=ODE4NTU3NzQ%3d&trainername=Maryann+Brosnan" rel="nofollow - Maryann Brosnan | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NDEwMzI4MTI2MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Robbie Fradd | 12.2L | 7 | 55kg | | |  | 4 | 3 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjMyMDAzMTExMDg%3d&stage=Results&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNTIwNzE0NDA%3d" rel="nofollow - ROMAKASH (NZ) | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=ODE4Nzg3ODQ%3d&trainername=Matt+Kropp" rel="nofollow - Matt Kropp | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MTA0MTk4NDg0" rel="nofollow - Larry Cassidy | 12.6L | 3 | 55kg | | |  | 5 | 2 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjQxOTI2NTg3NzY%3d&stage=Results&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzMzE4Njg2NjA%3d" rel="nofollow - SOUTHERN FRANCE (IRE) | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=MTA0OTY3MDE4&trainername=Ciaron+Maher+%26+David+Eustace" rel="nofollow - Ciaron Maher & David Eustace | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MTA1NzgxNTcy" rel="nofollow - Craig Williams | 13.85L | 4 | 57.5kg | | |  | 6 | 7 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjMyMDQ2NzM4MDQ%3d&stage=Results&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNTUzNzEwNzQ%3d" rel="nofollow - SAVVY OAK (NZ) | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=ODg4ODMwMjg%3d&trainername=Robert+Heathcote" rel="nofollow - Robert Heathcote | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=Mjk0NjM2ODgzMzI%3d" rel="nofollow - Ben Thompson | 16.6L | 2 | 55kg | | |  | 7 | 6 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjMyMTQyMTgzNTI%3d&stage=Results&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzMzAwMDAyNDg%3d" rel="nofollow - GAELIC | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=MzA2MjQ1NjEyNA%3d%3d&trainername=Kim+Loy" rel="nofollow - Kim Loy | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MTA0MTYxNjY4" rel="nofollow - Michael Cahill | 25.6L | 9 | 55kg | | |  | 8 | 10 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjQyMTcyOTc4ODQ%3d&stage=Results&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNTk1NzI3MDA%3d" rel="nofollow - MARECAT (NZ) | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=OTQ5NjUzNjcxNDY%3d&trainername=Daiki+Chujo" rel="nofollow - Daiki Chujo | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=Mzk2NzUxMzA1Ng%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Noriyuki Masuda | 32.1L | 8 | 53kg | | |  | 9 | 8 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjMwNjYyOTYyNjY%3d&stage=Results&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNTY1OTA2MDQ%3d" rel="nofollow - BADGE OF GAMENESS | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=MjIwMjkzMTM4MA%3d%3d&trainername=Doug+%26+Graeme+Lane" rel="nofollow - Doug & Graeme Lane | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=Mjk4NDg1NzIwMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Michael Schrapel | 36.6L | 1 | 55kg | | |  | | 9 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjMxNTM1NDA5ODI%3d&stage=Results&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzMzA1MjQ4NzY%3d" rel="nofollow - WILD SHEILA | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=Nzg4MzIyNjA%3d&trainername=Kris+Lees" rel="nofollow - Kris Lees | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=OTQ4NzA4NTEyNzA%3d" rel="nofollow - 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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 3:09pm
Race 6 - 2:42PM TATTERSALL'S CUP (2400 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting https://www.racingaustralia.horse/FreeFields/RaceHistory.aspx?GroupID=176" rel="nofollow"> |
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Of $200,000.1st $116,000, 2nd $37,000, 3rd $18,000, 4th $9,750, 5th $5,500, 6th $2,750, 7th $2,750, 8th $2,750, 9th $2,750, 10th $2,750
A 1% deduction for Equine Welfare will be applied to all prizemoney prior to distribution.GROUP 3
Set Weights plus Penalties, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.
Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf
Field Limit: 17 + 5 EM NOMINATIONS EXTENDED TO: 22/06/2021 09:00:00 AM |
| No | Last 10 | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Barrier | Weight | Probable Weight | Penalty | Hcp Rating |
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| 1 | 108x9308x8 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjQxNDAwMDcyOTQ%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNDE4OTY0MTg%3d&stage=Acceptances&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm" rel="nofollow - MIRAGE DANCER (GB) | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=MzY4MDY0Mjc4NA%3d%3d&trainername=Trent+Busuttin+%26+Natalie+Young" rel="nofollow - Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=OTY2ODM0MTg%3d" rel="nofollow - Jim Byrne - (late alt) | 5 | 59kg | | | 106 | | 2 | 01x79x7788 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjQxOTI2NTg3NzY%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzMzE4Njg2NjA%3d&stage=Acceptances&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm" rel="nofollow - SOUTHERN FRANCE (IRE) | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=MTA0OTY3MDE4&trainername=Ciaron+Maher+%26+David+Eustace" rel="nofollow - Ciaron Maher & David Eustace | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MTA1NzgxNTcy" rel="nofollow - Craig Williams | 4 | 57.5kg | | | 105 | | 3 | 2751145390 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjMyMDAzMTExMDg%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNTIwNzE0NDA%3d&stage=Acceptances&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm" rel="nofollow - ROMAKASH (NZ) | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=ODE4Nzg3ODQ%3d&trainername=Matt+Kropp" rel="nofollow - Matt Kropp | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MTA0MTk4NDg0" rel="nofollow - Larry Cassidy | 3 | 55kg | | | 88 | | 4 | 9x6811111 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjMyNjcwOTk5MzQ%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNDQ1ODg1ODg%3d&stage=Acceptances&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm" rel="nofollow - INCENTIVISE | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=OTE3NDU0NzI%3d&trainername=Steve+Tregea" rel="nofollow - Steve Tregea | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MzY2MDAwNzQxNg%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Anthony Allen | 6 | 55kg | | | 82 | | 5 | 15x4841186 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjQyMjEwOTkxMzY%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNDU5NTA3ODA%3d&stage=Acceptances&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm" rel="nofollow - TRADUCE (NZ) | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=ODE4NTU3NzQ%3d&trainername=Maryann+Brosnan" rel="nofollow - Maryann Brosnan | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NDEwMzI4MTI2MA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Robbie Fradd | 7 | 55kg | | | 76 | | 6 | 14x96x5496 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjMyMTQyMTgzNTI%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzMzAwMDAyNDg%3d&stage=Acceptances&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm" rel="nofollow - GAELIC | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=MzA2MjQ1NjEyNA%3d%3d&trainername=Kim+Loy" rel="nofollow - Kim Loy | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MTA0MTYxNjY4" rel="nofollow - Michael Cahill | 10 | 55kg | | | 62 | | 7 | 9969x67362 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjMyMDQ2NzM4MDQ%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNTUzNzEwNzQ%3d&stage=Acceptances&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm" rel="nofollow - SAVVY OAK (NZ) | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=ODg4ODMwMjg%3d&trainername=Robert+Heathcote" rel="nofollow - Robert Heathcote | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=Mjk0NjM2ODgzMzI%3d" rel="nofollow - Ben Thompson | 2 | 55kg | | | 74 | | 8 | 5484430327 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjMwNjYyOTYyNjY%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNTY1OTA2MDQ%3d&stage=Acceptances&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm" rel="nofollow - BADGE OF GAMENESS | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=MjIwMjkzMTM4MA%3d%3d&trainername=Doug+%26+Graeme+Lane" rel="nofollow - Doug & Graeme Lane | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=Mjk4NDg1NzIwMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Michael Schrapel | 1 | 55kg | | | 46 | | 9 | 256x051519 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjMxNTM1NDA5ODI%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzMzA1MjQ4NzY%3d&stage=Acceptances&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm" rel="nofollow - WILD SHEILA | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=Nzg4MzIyNjA%3d&trainername=Kris+Lees" rel="nofollow - Kris Lees | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=OTQ4NzA4NTEyNzA%3d" rel="nofollow - - Ms Rachel King | 8 | 53kg | | | 69 | | 10 | 5821242319 | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjQyMTcyOTc4ODQ%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NTgzNTk1NzI3MDA%3d&stage=Acceptances&Key=2021Jun26,QLD,Eagle%20Farm" rel="nofollow - MARECAT (NZ) | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/TrainerLastRuns.aspx?trainercode=OTQ5NjUzNjcxNDY%3d&trainername=Daiki+Chujo" rel="nofollow - Daiki Chujo | https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=Mzk2NzUxMzA1Ng%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Noriyuki Masuda | 9 | 53kg | | | 50 |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 3:16pm
Incentivise has been raised 5 kgs and 3 kgs from his past 2 wins.
He has gone smash bang wallop into group 3 company and won by 12 lengths.
They would or should want a ratings rise that will at least get him into the Naturalism or the Bart Cummings.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 5:43pm
Looking at the form of what he beat, he really did need to win by 12 lens & will be extremely interesting to see what his rating goes to. I know Mirage Dancer won the Metrop. but by a whisker & it was about the only glimpse of form he's shown either before of since 
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 6:51pm
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True Gay but the margins via mirage dancer, savvy oak and Southern France put him around zaaki and sir dragonet in their runs between 2200 and 2600.
That puts him in good stead for spring.
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Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 7:30pm
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They're not running time at E Farm anymore, he broke 2-30 but to be a cups horse he has to go 2-27 at least, has he got another 18 lengths up his sleeve? That's the question.
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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 7:40pm
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Certainly exciting when a young stayer emerges from nowhere like this.
Look forward to seeing how he measures up in the Spring.
Although I still feel a bit sad that Steve Tregea & Anthony Allen won’t be the trainer/rider combo. Could be like the old Vic Rail & Cyril Small days with Vo Rogue.
That said, I’m sure Steve has done more than OK out of the 50% sale.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 7:59pm
Last 600 split may tell us more Bonjour . 
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 8:10pm
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$9 fav Caulfield Cup $15 for the Melbourne Cup
Plenty of water to go under the bridge, be mad to take those odds.
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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 8:26pm
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3 months ago he was beaten 16L in a maiden at Toowoomba, today he wins a G3 by 12L and is subsequently favourite for both major cups, quite the change. As Shawy38 above said, plenty of water to go under the bridge yet.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2021 at 8:30pm
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I had a look at that race he was beaten in.
Verry unlucky.
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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2021 at 9:52am
djebel wrote:
I had a look at that race he was beaten in.
Verry unlucky. |
Which race?
Surely your not suggesting a 16L defeat in a maiden came down to only bad luck?
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2021 at 10:36am
Afros wrote:
djebel wrote:
I had a look at that race he was beaten in.
Verry unlucky. |
Which race?
Surely your not suggesting a 16L defeat in a maiden came down to only bad luck? |
Watch the race.
I am suggesting he wins.
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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2021 at 1:59pm
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Will be fascinating to see how his spring plays out.
I assume going to Peter Moody that his campaign will kick off in Melbourne - any thoughts on what race he’d resume in?
Maybe a Heatherlie Hcp at 1700m or an Underwood Stks at 1800m?
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2021 at 3:06pm
Just a continuation on splits for E.F. yesterday for people who maybe interested , Tofane last 600 in 35-34 , Away Game 35-08 , Incentivise 35-70 , considering the former are purely sprinters and had leaders to do the carting up, this horse done all the work which makes it exceptional. 
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2021 at 4:05pm
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not bad that his dam is inbred to Noholme either Carioca!
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2021 at 5:13pm
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Yes furious I noticed that , but you had covered much more precise , I do enjoy seeing that great stallion somewhere down the line on the distaff side , btw was Planet Kingdom the horse that was in the water tank when the tragedy occurred .?
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Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2021 at 5:42pm
Carioca wrote:
Just a continuation on splits for E.F. yesterday for people who maybe interested , Tofane last 600 in 35-34 , Away Game 35-08 , Incentivise 35-70 , considering the former are purely sprinters and had leaders to do the carting up, this horse done all the work which makes it exceptional. |
To put it into perspective though, I once had a good stayer, his Mum won the AKL Cup, he was a 'cousin' to Tawrrific, staying blood through and through, he broke a metro track record running his last 600 in 33 and change, Water Boatman held the record and he won a Group 1, my bloke was good, real good but not a Gr1 horse, what I'm alluding to is, this fella has to find another 18 to 20 lengths to challenge the Brit/German/Japanese stayers if they come, he might, but he's got a long long way to go yet.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2021 at 5:55pm
Nothing of that sort of quality will be coming down here Bonjour. Nothing of that sort of quality has ever come down here.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2021 at 7:32pm
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Who ever rated E.F. a good 4 yesterday may have been a smidge over the top , although Incenctivise came home about 4 off the the fence a baldy chestnut labouring in last place on the fence ( where it looked soft ) finished half a furlong last , both Tofane and Away Game came down closer to the outside fence , admittedly they raced about 6-8 with rail out .
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Posted By: WarriSymbol
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2021 at 8:40pm
furious wrote:
He's got lots of winning 1/2 syblings so didn't come from nothing. The dam has 3 stakes winners to her name. The same thing in all of them. Redoute's Choice line sire over the Last Tycoon sire line for the dam. |
For the Best In Show blood?
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Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 6:04am
Carioca wrote:
Who ever rated E.F. a good 4 yesterday may have been a smidge over the top , although Incenctivise came home about 4 off the the fence a baldy chestnut labouring in last place on the fence ( where it looked soft ) finished half a furlong last , both Tofane and Away Game came down closer to the outside fence , admittedly they raced about 6-8 with rail out . |
Why is something not done about this Carioca, it happens every meeting, the times they are running at the Farm tells you somethings not right, are they protected at BRC? We need a clean out, AGAIN, it's playing the public off as fools.
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 8:27am
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That strip Away a Game came down looked like a completely different piece of turf
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 9:02am
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 10:54am
I agree with Afross and Shawy - long way to go until the two Cups. His win was impressive but let's not get too excited yet. Spring time is a different ball game. It will be interesting to see how he goes in the spring.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 10:56am
Afros wrote:
djebel wrote:
I had a look at that race he was beaten in.
Verry unlucky. |
Which race?
Surely your not suggesting a 16L defeat in a maiden came down to only bad luck? |
Yep I think Djebel is suggesting that bad luck did play a part in his 16L defeat.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 11:49am
I wonder if anybody has bothered to watch that race ?
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 11:58am
He wasn't going to win that race anyway
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 12:29pm
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He's looks a big lump of a horse. I'm pretty sure Yippyio was also. But different colours. Don't know if the syblings were big horses.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 12:52pm
TJMitchell wrote:
He wasn't going to win that race anyway |
Blue Corner has come from last to run second 500 from home and still 2 lengths behind Incentivise.
Incentivise settled well in 5th spot on the rail when all the trouble started at about the 600m mark and just as he is being angled to make his run horses comeback into his lap. He was going at least as well as Blue Corner who stayed out of trouble and ran the winner to a length.
Incentivise was basically eased out of the race.
It seems Incentivise has grown a leg since they got rid of the blinkers.
https://www.racingqueensland.com.au/racing-and-results/video-replays/player/thoroughbred/twba/20210327/race/9" rel="nofollow - https://www.racingqueensland.com.au/racing-and-results/video-replays/player/thoroughbred/twba/20210327/race/9
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 12:57pm
There's no doubt the interference meant he couldn't win but i still don't think he was going to anyway.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 12:59pm
That 16 lengths unlucky defeat it seems is the only time he wore blinkers.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 1:01pm
TJMitchell wrote:
There's no doubt the interference meant he couldn't win but i still don't think he was going to anyway. |
Sadly we will never be proven one or the other.
But if Blue Corner was able to go around him whilst he is getting hammered and go on and run a close length second I see no reason to believe Incentivise would not have rounded them up with an unimpeded run.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 1:03pm
djebel wrote:
I wonder if anybody has bothered to watch that race ?
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I have watched the race. In my opinion I dont think its costs him the race but thats only my point of view.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 1:24pm
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Jamals mate came up with this humdinger -
Horses to have won races with Mirage Dancer 12 lengths away:
Cracksman
Incentivise
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 1:27pm
EXACTLY 12 lengths. He was beaten 11.65, 11.9 and 11.2 the 3 starts prior to the Incentivise race
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 1:31pm
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And you'd imagine all those horses will be playing a role deep into the Melbourne Spring.
This guy is entitled to have earned enough ratings points to scrape into the two Cups at the bottom of the weights.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 1:38pm
djebel wrote:
That 16 lengths unlucky defeat it seems is the only time he wore blinkers. |
Correct , and evens fav. $ 17 -00 next start , never raced in blinkers before or after , timid when boxed in with blinkers .
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 1:46pm
Might have been a blessing that unlucky defeat in blinkers. If he gets up he probably keeps them on and just becomes another horse.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 1:46pm
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I've watched the 16 length defeat at Toowoomba and agree with Djebel.
According to racing QLD website he wore blinkers at his 1st 3 starts which were all defeats but has not worn them since.
He was actually badly held up/hampered in the straight at his debut over 1350. Doubt he would have won but probably placed. It is obvious though that he raced ungenerously with blinkers and is a different horse without them.
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 1:50pm
djebel wrote:
And you'd imagine all those horses will be playing a role deep into the Melbourne Spring.
This guy is entitled to have earned enough ratings points to scrape into the two Cups at the bottom of the weights. |
Yeah, it certainly gives a decent guide to go by
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 3:44pm
kavg wrote:
I've watched the 16 length defeat at Toowoomba and agree with Djebel.
According to racing QLD website he wore blinkers at his 1st 3 starts which were all defeats but has not worn them since.
He was actually badly held up/hampered in the straight at his debut over 1350. Doubt he would have won but probably placed. It is obvious though that he raced ungenerously with blinkers and is a different horse without them. |
I suggest kavg that you forget the Qld website and look at All his races, he has never worn blinkers apart from the race at the " funny farm " Toowoomba , start from his run at Ipswich , you can't miss him he wears the white bridle .
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 5:52pm
You are correct Carioca!
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 6:23pm
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I often find that very large beaten margins need to be looked at and evaluated. Many many instances where they don’t paint a true picture
The Toowoomba run was a classic example
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 6:24pm
Cool kavg , didn't want to seem " knowallish " . 
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2021 at 8:25pm
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Looks like he may get a Cups start based on his weight if he gets the 53kg
https://www.punters.com.au/amp/news/incentivise-ticks-the-boxes-for-cups-start_199403/?__twitter_impression=true" rel="nofollow - https://www.punters.com.au/amp/news/incentivise-ticks-the-boxes-for-cups-start_199403/?__twitter_impression=true
Also, here is Timeform rating article. He now has a Timeform rating of 117+
https://www.racingandsports.com/amp/news/timeform/timeform-news/2021-06-28/timeform-recap-2021-brisbane-winter-carnival/552989?__twitter_impression=true" rel="nofollow - https://www.racingandsports.com/amp/news/timeform/timeform-news/2021-06-28/timeform-recap-2021-brisbane-winter-carnival/552989?__twitter_impression=true
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2021 at 8:45am
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Hasn't been able to leave QLD so Steve will commence training him next week. Will join Moody as soon as they are able to get him to Victoria.
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2021 at 9:12pm
Moody very happy with him, Bossy keen for the Cups rides.
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Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2021 at 1:00pm
Will gallop between R1 & 2 on the Synthetic at Pakenham today
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2021 at 7:44pm
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I hope they handle the jockey situation correct here.
We saw on Saturday that a ride unfamiliar with the horse when James Innes Jr replaced Boss, then Avdulla on Think It Over.
I saw the former trainer say he would be glad if his regular Queensland rider rode the horse if Boss can not ride in Victoria due to covid.
This is a very critical decision in the horses prep.
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Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2021 at 3:39pm
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Boss has been kicked out of NT and sent back to NSW Will not be riding in Melbourne this spring
C Williams primed to take the ride on Incentivise
Champion hoop Glen Boss is set to return to New South Wales after announcing he would not be riding in Victoria this spring. The
Group 1-winning jockey had started quarantining in the Northern
Territory ahead of a move to Victoria which would have seen him take the
sit on Cups contender Incentivise and Cox Plate hopeful Alligator
Blood. Those rides are now back up for grabs, with the sit on
Incentivise particularly sort after. The former Queensland galloper is
$7 Caulfield Cup favourite and $13 Melbourne Cup favourite. Boss announced that he would be returning to New South Wales in a statement on Thursday afternoon. "The
changing landscape of the world we live in at present sees my
quarantine period in the Northern Territory cut short and I will be
returning to Sydney with immediate effect," Boss said. "I have the
utmost respect for our state and territory governments that manage the
risks associated with border travel and the health and welfare of the
communities that reside within those is paramount. "I am extremely
grateful to the connections of Incentivise who have afforded me the
flexibility to make every possible endeavor to relocate to Melbourne
this Spring. "I am eagerly looking forward to my return to Sydney
where I am focused and determined for success ahead of what promises to
be a wonderful Spring Carnival."
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2021 at 3:47pm
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Kicked out? What is the story there? The way he said it sounded like he had chosen to go back to NSW. Which never really made much sense since it would mean he had wasted everyone’s time.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2021 at 3:50pm
Racenet: Boss has been at the Howard Springs facility however it is understood Northern Territory officials had a change of heart after initially accepting him into the centre.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2021 at 3:52pm
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TBH I don’t blame them. What was his application based on? Permanently moving to Victoria right? Which of course was a load of gelati since he would no doubt have moved back as soon as the carnival was over.
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2021 at 4:33pm
He was in Howard Springs with his wife. Said they were moving to Melbourne because their kids live in Melbourne still. Initial application for an exemption of moving from NSW to Vic was rejected.Approved to go to NT on Monday, arrived Tuesday but given current situation worsening in Sydney the NT government have cancelled all applications and sent those from NSW back.
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2021 at 12:21pm
Brett Prebble confirmed as ride for entire spring preparation.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2021 at 12:21pm
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Melbourne Cup-winning jockey Brett Prebble will take the reins on
boom stayer Incentivise after champion hoop Glen Boss was ruled out due
to complications with getting into Victoria. Managing owner
Steve Tregea confirmed the move, saying Prebble will ride his former
horse in the Group 1 Makybe Diva Stakes in two weeks time as he builds
towards a Caulfield and Melbourne Cup campaign. Tregea revealed
Jamie Kah’s name was raised in discussions but was quickly ruled out
after a Covid-19 breach on Wednesday night saw her suspended. “That’s it, I left it up to (trainer) Peter (Moody) and then we talked about it yesterday and settled on Brett,” Tregea said. “We thought he’d be the man, we talked about Jamie Kah as well but obviously with what’s happened she can’t. “We were never going to have any trouble finding anyone, it is a matter of finding someone everyone wanted. “I imagine he (Prebble) will want to stay on him going forward if he comes out and runs well.” Incentivise is rated favourite for both the Melbourne Cup ($11) and
Caulfield Cup ($7) with TAB and is nominated to trial against Group 1
winners Explosive Jack and Sir Dragonet over 1190m at Cranbourne on
Monday morning. Prebble’s booking comes as he continues his
resurgence in the jockeys’ ranks after finding his best form since
returning to Australia from Hong Kong in late 2018. He recently
put his sensational form down to new Sydney-based manager Liam Prior who
also manages Boss, Nash Rawiller and Michael Walker. “He’s not only good with my work, but he keeps me in a good headspace which is important. He understands,” Prebble said. Prebble
won the Melbourne Cup in 2012 aboard the Lloyd Williams-owned Green
Moon in a hit-and-run mission from Hong Kong, however he has never won a
Caulfield Cup.
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2021 at 12:22pm
Snap!
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2021 at 10:14pm
Could not have made a better decision myself 
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 3:06pm
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 10:59am
Bonjour wrote:
They're not running time at E Farm anymore, he broke 2-30 but to be a cups horse he has to go 2-27 at least, has he got another 18 lengths up his sleeve? That's the question. |
That was going to be my question today. I've never seen the horse race. I did not look at Brisbane form at all this year. All I can see is the incredible winning margins in the form guide I'm looking at now. Do his times in any of these races look anywhere near as astonishing as the margins?
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 4:54pm
Convinced now?
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Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 4:56pm
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Still trying to run on his QLD leg, look at the way got around the corner.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 4:57pm
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Looked vulnerable at the 150m, then showed plenty.
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Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 4:59pm
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When he works it all out, he will be bombproof
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 5:02pm
Incentivise - i wonder if his rating will go up now due to that G1 Makybe Diva Stakes win which could mean more weight for the Cups
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 5:03pm
waiting for Jamal to whinge about Aussie racing being dead....
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 5:03pm
Looked gone, Tofane eyeballed him and he said nope and kicked hard. Super win.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 5:13pm
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Thought it was at least 200m too short. But no he just likes to win. Hope Moody knows the treat he gets to make him keep it up. Certainly his Grandsire Snitzel had a wonderful day on the track.
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Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 5:19pm
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Moody and Steve chat regularly so no doubt he’s getting the best of attention
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 5:29pm
Jamal wrote:
Incentivise - i wonder if his rating will go up now due to that G1 Makybe Diva Stakes win which could mean more weight for the Cups
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Well of course his rating will go up Jamal, probably by about 8 kgs. And that'll presumably influence the weight he's given in the Cups.
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Posted By: Pardon_My_Dust
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 5:39pm
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Workmanlike performance. Definitely looked like Tofane of all horses might worry him out of it but no he found as much as he had to. Mo'unga had a great run in the race as well was entitled to wear him down with the VE form.
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 6:05pm
Shawy38 wrote:
Convinced now? |
No.
That race was devoid of speed, it was beneficial to be in the first three pairs on that track and with only one run to come before the cups, and his fitness off his Brisbane prep he was just about cherry ripe for the race.
He will go close to winning the Turnbull although we might see an upgrade in depth with maybe Verry Elleegant and others down.
I still would not take anything under $10.00 in a Caulfield Cup because I can absolutely guarantee the connections and his supporters that about three or four will be going with him for the whole 2400m of a Caulfield Cup where there will be more pressure.
Congrats to the connections, who selected the correct jockey and placed him in a winnable race fresh.
I know he will get a huge weight drop on him, but the way he has raced at 2400m I would be backing Sir Dragonet in a caulfield Cup off that race, before Incentivise.
The one thing Incentivise has in his favor is his racing pattern. It will allow him to win more races than he loses!
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Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 6:09pm
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Good thoughts IMO, Voyager. No superstar yet. Exciting though.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 6:25pm
Shawy38 wrote:
waiting for Jamal to whinge about Aussie racing being dead.... |
Good to see you have a different mindset. You are right...Aussie racing is poor at a mile onwards in terms of depth. Gkad you have FINALLY woken up up to this. It took you a while due to your blinkers but we got there (or did we)...
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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 10:56am
stayer wrote:
Good thoughts IMO, Voyager. No superstar yet. Exciting though. |
Concur with stayer - good commentary voyager. The operative word is “yet”. I’d love to see the horse blaze a trail through the spring and win the Turnbull, Caulfield Cup & Melb Cup. The sport needs a bona fide superstar.
Love to see it play out that way, but I do have historical examples like Sphenophyta in the back of my mind, where a boom Qld winter horse gets an early spring feature race but then tapers off when the features come around in Oct & Nov.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 11:12am
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There is something about this horse that is very verry freakish.
He is freakish enough to overcome the Graiglee hoodoo.
I hope they attempt the Rising Fast treble.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 11:13am
Impressive. What's next start?
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 11:16am
Mentioned this morning that Moody is thinking 2nd up into the Turnbull (clash with VE) , 3rd up Caulfield Cup
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 11:30am
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Incentivise went from 1st win to WFA Group 1 in 5 months. 7 starts, unbeaten.
So You Think went from 1st win (debut) to WFA Group 1 win in 5 months. 5 starts, 3 wins.
Not many around that do that.
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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 11:34am
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I said it in the Mo'unga thread but this horse has left about 10 dozen worth of egg on my face
Is he a stayer or did he win those distance races in Qld in class? Similar to fillies who win an Oaks on class rather than staying ability maybe he's a 1600-2000 horse at the top level, will be interesting to watch over the next couple of months as he steps out in distance.
Djebel, should he try to emulate Rising Fast's spring of 1954? For those who don't know he won the Feehan, Turnbull, Caulfield Stakes, Caulfield Cup, Cox Plate, MacKinnon Stakes, VRC Queen Elizabeth and discontinued CB Fisher Plate, folling up in 1955 to win the Caulfield Cup, CB Fisher Plate, VRC Queen Elizabeth and MacKinnon again as well as the Herbert Power, what a horse.
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