Facts About The George Floyd Arrest
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Topic: Facts About The George Floyd Arrest
Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Subject: Facts About The George Floyd Arrest
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 4:38pm
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• The first two Minneapolis police officers to arrive on
the scene were Thomas Lane and J. Alexander Kueng. It is almost suspiciously
difficult to find pictures of them online, but judging from the two screencaps, Lane looks to be a light-skinned black man and Kueng appears to be Asian.
There’s no disputing that Tuo Thao, who showed up along with the unfortunately
surnamed white officer Derek Chauvin after George Floyd was already handcuffed,
is Asian. A brief search of his surname suggests it has a Thai or Cambodian
origin. And Derek Chauvin—the white cop with the creepy glower who “took a
knee” on George Floyd’s neck and kept it there long after Floyd was
unconscious—was married to a Hmong refugee and beauty-pageant contestant; that
is, until he was arrested for third-degree murder last week, whereupon she
promptly filed divorce papers. But there was only one white cop out of the
four—one and a half if you want to speculate about
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 4:46pm
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Entirely irrelevant. The only relevant fact is that after the suspect was handcuffed behind his back and prone, and the arresting officer had total control of the situation, the officer kept his full weight on the suspects neck for 8 minutes. Wouldn't have mattered if he was arresting the Green River killer high on pills and speed. It would still be manslaughter at least. ------------- Manners are of more importance than laws Edmund Burke |
Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 4:47pm
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None of this has any meaning beyond making the “four racist white cops” narrative look stupid. Not that the narrative will be affected—it’s stupid to think it would. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 4:49pm
| And the independent autopsy found that death was a homicide caused by strangulation by the arresting officer. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 4:50pm
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Who said they were all white? The first witness who knew the dead man also knew and had worked with the Asian officer and identified him as Asian on several networks. That was the day it happened.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 4:51pm
You think because someone has a thing for Asian women or is Asian they can't racist to blacks? ------------- Manners are of more importance than laws Edmund Burke |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 4:54pm
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Some people should stay off Facebook. Zuckerburg says it isn't responsibility to keep lies and conspiracy theories off his platform. He clearly doesn't.
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 4:58pm
| And the big-bellied sheriff said "why'd you do it ? " |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 4:59pm
| The Human Rights Commission is doing a root and branch investigation of 10 years cases in that department. They should sort it out. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 5:02pm
| It is only when things change in people's hearts, that "change is coming to America", as Obama spruiked. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 5:08pm
| That's not a chip on my shoulder, it's your foot on my throat - Malcolm X |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 5:55pm
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Plain That a murder charge can't be sustained. The intent to kill wasn't there. Manslaughter can be, causing death by a negligent act , and/or many other definitions. Police do have a duty of care and I'd be thinking a manslaughter charge would stand up, against one officer at least. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 5:57pm
| Third degree murder doesn't require intent to kill. |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 6:50pm
------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Passing Through wrote:Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 6:54pm
Why are all of the poor, oppressed, violent, rioting, looting black people living in Democrat Governed States and Cities, often run by WEALTHY Black Career Public Servants? ... oh that's right ... Socialism!  ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 6:57pm
Let's just hope that they all get their day in court ... just like George did ... about a dozen times according to his impressive Rap Sheet!  ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 7:01pm
I am sure they will find it a barrel of laughs. The State wont own the police department atrocities. State of Minnesota files civil rights charge against Minneapolis Police DepartmentThe inquiry, stemming from the death of George Floyd, will be designed to root out "systemic racism that is generations deep," Gov. Tim Walz told reporters. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/state-minnesota-files-civil-rights-charge-against-minneapolis-police-department-n1222476" rel="nofollow - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/state-minnesota-files-civil-rights-charge-against-minneapolis-police-department-n1222476
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 7:39pm
| “systemic racism that is generations deep," Gov. Tim Walz told reporters. |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 7:56pm
| The scary thing is this is even something that must be trained - they call it the carotid artery hold. With something that important to the brain one whould wonder just how much damage this has done to people. Not just these four police have to be aware of this hold. So retraining seems to be needed and different people put in charge of training. |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 7:59pm
So the elected Democrats claim that they don't run the Police Department ... is that the same with Health Services ... ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 8:01pm
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Department records, however, show that such http://opendata.minneapolismn.gov/datasets/6d8110617c4b4971a270ff0834971b89_0/data?selectedAttribute=PoliceUseOfForceID" rel="nofollow - restraint techniques have continued to be used in Minneapolis, although they are sometimes called by different names. In 2012, there were 79 occurrences and in 2013, there were 69. That dropped to 40 in 2018 and was back up to 56 last year. The technique was used against African-Americans far more than other groups, the records show. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/us/knee-neck-george-floyd-death.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/us/knee-neck-george-floyd-death.html
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 8:06pm
| I believe in America the mayor or county is in charge of the police department. |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 8:08pm
furious, we know where this will go ... it will be like the Don Dale saga and ... where they banned spit hoods, remember ... and then they had to reinstate them because they are necessary to protect anyone who interacts with these violent criminal bastards. Just retrain the police so that they don't have the tools to restrain a 6 foot 6 inch 150 kg drugged up career criminal of any colour ... see how many cops get killed, or just leave the force. Joe Biden has the answer - he says that black offenders should be shot in the leg and not in the chest ... there fixed! ... dementia is a terrible disease.  ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 8:08pm
| that is local departments. States have State Police. |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 8:16pm
Yes and their handling of these riots and protest has been disgraceful
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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 8:20pm
Great to see Cuomo and De Blasio blaming each other for the failure of Socialism! ... always nice when the "progressives" start eating their own!
------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 8:21pm
| It's not China or North Korea Shrunk They cant just roll the tanks over people...yet. |
Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 8:36pm
Yeah I've read that too. Supposedly it is good for immobilising people because it gives the sensation of not being able to breathe, but you still can. Used in martial arts etc. It's pressure on the artery to cut off blood and daze someone - but not any pressure on the windpipe. My guess is that it's taught/ used but is not meant to be done for 8 minutes straight, especially if someone has gone limp 3 mins ago! It seems most likely he died of a cardiac event caused by a combunation of a history of heart problems, intoxicants and the trauma of the incident. The first autopsy seemed biased (to me) toward protecting the cops and the second seems biased the other way. I haven't watched more than a few seconds of the video because I don't like watching someone die, but I certainly don't believe the argument of "just watch the video and you'll see him being strangled to death." Not the point of the protests any way, but facts should matter, and it's probably not the last we'll hear of exactly how he died. |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 9:24pm
No. Not at all. Its because they cant shift their arse and go vote. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 9:27pm
| I think that is what Obama is at pains to emphasise. You can't effect change by not voting, even if you don't necessarily, by actually voting. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 9:35pm
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It not always laziness that prevents people voter Voter suppression is a major problem. When in Republican states they reduce the number of booths from hundreds to tens or have the only booths in small towns 20 miles out of town, it is poor people dis-proportionally effected. Also having voting on a Tuesday means a lot of poorer working class people cant afford to take time off work to vote. Major reform is needed
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 9:41pm
Your correct, technically, Differs so much in different States where its described by some as Voluntary manslaughter. The more I see of this case, the more I doubt conviction on anything major. Police are there to apprehend offenders and the day they discourage them from getting physically involved , will mean a much more dangerous society. This offender has a bad track record and that's always considered. We have Women Police here, who aren't well accepted, and as useful as a tit on a bull. I've had Police tell me they just fill in a day and avoid getting involved in any physical combat = Let em go or the "Girl" gets hurt. Two Commissioners that would be best forgotten. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 9:46pm
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I am talking specifically Minnesota maxie. They charged him specifically with that initially because it is a no-brainer in this case. AG Keith Ellison is now exploring upgrading to a higher grade now that he has taken over the case from the county prosecutor. Will announce any new charges plus the fate of the other accomplices early next week. Will hopefully diffuse a lot of tension.
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 9:56pm
Banned in most areas these days. very effective & dangerous ,unless pressure released. The victim is helpless in quick time. The thumb knuckles into the carotids , in a strangle type front on position, hands around neck, left foot forward in boxing stance, Unconscious in 10/20 seconds approx . and susceptible to a head butt , by pulling head forward to contact attackers forehead about nose area . Also open to back of head being smashed into wall , pole, structure. NOW don't mess with me .I'm a walking tank. 
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 10:03pm
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I have not read one little thing about this thread here. I know who started it. I know this is going to be an ugly thread. And I know who the teams will be. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 10:08pm
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Traffic lights. Coffee cups. Grass. Is that more your style, D? 
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 10:15pm
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It won't be nasty. We are all experienced in life and know the do's and dont's . If Not we tow the line when reminded. Pt and I are the only known heavies and Rusty has a blow torch. Apart from that --- Peaceful and Co Existence reigns . I think you forgot that "Best ignored 1 & 2" are on tour. |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 12:13am
PT, that excuse etc about why no voting is just total rubbish... You forget, I lived in Tennessee for almost 8 years. In a city, where most black people couldnt shift their arse to vote, with no excuse about not being able to. Come to it, many white people couldnt shift their arse to vote, either. You dream up all the reasons and excuses you like, but it all boils down to total BS. You cant preach to someone who lived "the dream " and saw what went on. Try all you like . ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 1:00am
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Gees djebel .. We didn't scare anyone off.... No one has been nasty .. Couldn't get a fight at the stadium with these Lefties. Marble must have been sent to bed early .. Afros has jumped ship. AHHHH well an early night. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 1:34am
Yet what PT said is 100% true. Whether people like the excuse or not what PT said is true. Massive reform needs to happen. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 5:57am
... but they vote 97% Democrat aa ... why indeed??? NOTHING got better for blacks under 8 years of Obama. You are 100% right in saying they can't shift their asses - they are all "stuck" in Democrat Poverty - the reasons are explained in the article below! ... and then the fake news media blames Trump for all their problems!  This is real eye opener and explains it well! Written by a well respected black economist and academic Thomas Sowell ... https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/07/29/thomas-sowell-black-votes-matter-to-politicians/?fbclid=IwAR1qliou9kiO2-DyFZRPDTBnEvSrfE0Pr8MOAh7n8N_Da0dyRz3JF5O2XfM" rel="nofollow - https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/07/29/thomas-sowell-black-votes-matter-to-politicians/?fbclid=IwAR1qliou9kiO2-DyFZRPDTBnEvSrfE0Pr8MOAh7n8N_Da0dyRz3JF5O2XfM ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 6:02am
Democrats lie djebel, and PT just repeats their lies ... see the previous post and the article by Thomas Sowell. ... and try to understand the statistics - they don't lie! The greatest threat to the life of a black person on the streets of America is another black person!  George Floyd riots: The myth of systemic police racism in US https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/the-wall-street-journal/george-floyd-riots-the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-in-us/news-story/b8374609bb77e64fda62132aec116133?fbclid=IwAR1xTEEhgQZEzJnUwfzyb5mr6RtZQyJlcRQqK1shsDmm9IG5oAVuvBx42uE" rel="nofollow - https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/the-wall-street-journal/george-floyd-riots-the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-in-us/news-story/b8374609bb77e64fda62132aec116133?fbclid=IwAR1xTEEhgQZEzJnUwfzyb5mr6RtZQyJlcRQqK1shsDmm9IG5oAVuvBx42uE ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 9:50am
More than 1,000 US polling sites closed since supreme court ruling, report findsThis article is more than 8 months old
Voter suppression in the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting" rel="nofollow -
https://www.google.com.au/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01cdoutFbObPweKi8OZP4gLs2XLYA%3A1591220821820&ei=VRrYXvDOMdqX4-EP3qi62AI&q=us+closing+of+electoral+booths+us&oq=us+closing+of+electoral+booths+us&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECAAQRzoHCCMQsAIQJ1CVN1jEPGDBQWgAcAF4AIABpAGIAekDkgEDMC4zmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiwzd--z-bpAhXayzgGHV6UDisQ4dUDCAw&uact=5#" rel="nofollow - Mar 2, 2020 - Last year, Texas led the US south in an unenviable statistic: closing down the most polling stations, making it more difficult for people to vote https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-locations/southern-us-states-have-closed-1200-polling-places-in-recent-years-rights-group-idUSKCN1VV09J" rel="nofollow -
https://www.google.com.au/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01cdoutFbObPweKi8OZP4gLs2XLYA%3A1591220821820&ei=VRrYXvDOMdqX4-EP3qi62AI&q=us+closing+of+electoral+booths+us&oq=us+closing+of+electoral+booths+us&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECAAQRzoHCCMQsAIQJ1CVN1jEPGDBQWgAcAF4AIABpAGIAekDkgEDMC4zmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiwzd--z-bpAhXayzgGHV6UDisQ4dUDCAw&uact=5#" rel="nofollow - Sep 9, 2019 - States across the American South have closed nearly 1200 polling places ... to figures compiled by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission https://theconversation.com/closing-polling-places-is-the-21st-centurys-version-of-a-poll-tax-133301" rel="nofollow -
https://www.google.com.au/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01cdoutFbObPweKi8OZP4gLs2XLYA%3A1591220821820&ei=VRrYXvDOMdqX4-EP3qi62AI&q=us+closing+of+electoral+booths+us&oq=us+closing+of+electoral+booths+us&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECAAQRzoHCCMQsAIQJ1CVN1jEPGDBQWgAcAF4AIABpAGIAekDkgEDMC4zmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiwzd--z-bpAhXayzgGHV6UDisQ4dUDCAw&uact=5#" rel="nofollow - Mar 16, 2020 - The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, a bipartisan independent study group started in 1957, found that states claimed polling-place closures . https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/26/thousands-polling-places-were-closed-over-past-decade-heres-where/" rel="nofollow - Oct 26, 2018 - Reasons for the closures vary, and in some cases are the result of expanded ... to the Election Assistance Commission by local authorities fell by nearly 3,000, from ... White Americans, your lack of imagination is killing us. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 9:53am
Search ResultsWeb results https://www.ft.com/content/66efba1a-96fe-4295-bf99-0150f13a6613" rel="nofollow - May 20, 2020 - On Wednesday morning, Mr Trump, a staunch critic of postal voting, said ... “I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this ... https://reason.com/2020/05/21/why-does-trump-want-to-stop-people-from-voting-by-mail/" rel="nofollow -
https://www.google.com.au/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01XjXIkoHLU6ja_GlL00IUJWvQL9g%3A1591221155337&source=hp&ei=oxvYXpzQEomGyAOxmrfQAQ&q=trump+wants+to+stop+postal+voting&oq=trump+wants+to+stop+postal+voting&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECCMQJzoICAAQgwEQkQI6BQgAELEDOgUIABCDAToECAAQQzoHCAAQgwEQQzoICAAQsQMQkQI6BQgAEJECOgIIAFDDC1jva2CobmgAcAB4AIABwwOIAfQ8kgEKMC4xOC44LjMuNJgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjcreLd0ObpAhUJA3IKHTHNDRoQ4dUDCAk&uact=5#" rel="nofollow - May 21, 2020 - Trump is also upset about absentee voting in Nevada. "State of Nevada 'thinks' that they can send out illegal vote by mail ballots, creating a great ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/08/trump-mail-in-voting-2020-election" rel="nofollow -
https://www.google.com.au/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01XjXIkoHLU6ja_GlL00IUJWvQL9g%3A1591221155337&source=hp&ei=oxvYXpzQEomGyAOxmrfQAQ&q=trump+wants+to+stop+postal+voting&oq=trump+wants+to+stop+postal+voting&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECCMQJzoICAAQgwEQkQI6BQgAELEDOgUIABCDAToECAAQQzoHCAAQgwEQQzoICAAQsQMQkQI6BQgAEJECOgIIAFDDC1jva2CobmgAcAB4AIABwwOIAfQ8kgEKMC4xOC44LjMuNJgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjcreLd0ObpAhUJA3IKHTHNDRoQ4dUDCAk&uact=5#" rel="nofollow - Apr 8, 2020 - Donald Trump again urged Republicans on Wednesday to oppose efforts to expand voting by mail, falsely suggesting it would lead to ... |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 9:56am
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Meanwhile in an egregious case of attempted voter fraud. Breaking via WaPo: President Trump tried to register to vote in Florida using an out-of-state address. Trump Tried To Register To Vote In Florida Using D.C. Address, Report Says https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/06/03/trump-tried-to-register-to-vote-in-florida-using-dc-address-report-says/#190f496773c4" rel="nofollow - https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/06/03/trump-tried-to-register-to-vote-in-florida-using-dc-address-report-says/#190f496773c4
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 10:18am
It is not about the people too lazy to vote or choose not to. Lots of white people dont vote in a non compulsory system, maybe even more. It is about the people who want to vote who are being institutionally prevented from lodging their vote.
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Posted By: Baguette
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 10:27am
| There’s a huge problem in the USA with the way they run their elections . Who originally thought it was a good idea to run elections on a working day for example? As PT says it makes it extremely difficult for working people to exercise their democratic rights . But there also does seem to be a problem with poor black people, or poor people in general, being disconnected from the political process and not registering or voting at all. It’s like they think who runs the country is nothing to do with them or something! We have the same problem here with our indigenous people with the number who actually vote in an election being very low. Even for their own representative bodies where the number of voters is lucky to get over a quarter of those eligible. If all the poor and disadvantaged got involved in the political process and cast their votes in an election we might actually get somewhere towards reform! |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 10:38am
Doc, could you please post that article as I don’t subscribe to the Australian 👍
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 10:38am
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Look I don't think any of us can understand what make someone else tick. Me included. I was asked for some change yesterday and said no as I didn't want to get my purse out in the street. But what does that say about me. He probably needed some help also - white by the way. Then I still remember when my son was being bullied that one teacher told me that someone always had to be on the bottom and it was him. Now as her children were always class presidents or school captains she wasn't worried and I think she truly believed it. But that is what this is. Both fear - which obviously I suffer from also - and keeping them in their place! What place. We should all have the same chance in life but we don't. And no it's not only colour related. If you go back to the famine in Ireland you find an awful lot of convicts sent to Australia stole food to feed their family. Things change - but honestly looking at all the homeless and poverty in the world it makes you wonder why people sometimes can't help themselves. I've been bullied as a school child and it really leaves you with low self esteem and no self confidence. So it is easy to back down or fail to go get the job you want or stand up for yourself. It seems that this is somehow that on a larger scale. Listening to trump he's seeing the vandalism - which is a minority and not entirely black, white or any other group of people - but failing to see that things have to change. Out of a job no health insurance. No health insurance no ambulance or hospital. We are so lucky that our government have that in place for many who have nothing. It seems that the land of the free has a long way to go. Crime is sometimes just to make yourself rich at the expense of others - ie drug dealers and manufacturers. Sometimes it is desperation and sometimes just people being the worst they can be. And if my children were staving what would I do to save them if I had no money or any help to fall back on. And I do regret showing no courage to help someone who asked for help. I regret many things in this muddled up life we all live. I just have to hope I mostly do the right thing. Just because we don't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 10:42am
Wow😱 Given you penchant for trawling all the news websites and posting stuff here , this is what grabs your attention 😆😆😆 I would have thought in the name of honest discussion you would have been outraged by the murder of a David Dorn just l8ke you were with Floyd. Apparently only some black lives matter and we know the reason why💡
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 10:50am
| And considering your penchant for trolling me.... |
Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 11:18am
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ahh the trolling spectre. methinks it happens when the heat is on. grow some pt.
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 11:21am
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Fair dinkum Isaac
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Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 11:33am
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as many of these politicians , black and white, democrat and republican, are insanely rich, and are seen to be, doesnt help the have nots. " let them eat cake" and then it was on.
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 11:35am
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When some stranger asks you to produce your purse for change Furious , the RED flag has to go up , especially in our world today. No one should intrude in such a manner. Tthere are shops and Banks to give him all the change he needs. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 11:40am
I've heard plenty of people talk like that, they are incredulous that such stuff impacts them. |
Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 11:45am
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because their world seems so far removed from their own or tax benefits dont affect me because im on the dole or housing benefits dont affect me because i dont own a house.....
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 12:12pm
| A lot think their drug dealer is their friend, though. You can't really help stupid. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 12:33pm
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Minnesota has several degrees of murder that may be charged against a defendant. The state also has other types of laws that involve the unlawful killing of another that do not rise to the murder level. First-Degree MurderLike in many other states, Minnesota considers first-degree murder to be the most serious and heinous form of murder. Due to this classification, not all murder charges are filed as first-degree murder. First-degree murder charges in Minnesota have aggravating factors. Sometimes first-degree murder is based on the identity of the victim. For example killing a spouse after continued domestic abuse, killing a child, killing a cop, killing a judge or killing a witness to thwart his or her testimony in another case are often charged as first-degree murder. In other cases, first-degree charges arise due to the defendant’s conduct. For example, the premeditated murder in which the defendant considers, plans or prepares for the killing beforehand or killing someone during a sexual assault, burglary, aggravated robbery, kidnapping, arson or act of terrorism may be charged as a first-degree murder case.Since Minnesota does not have the death penalty, the harshest punishment for those convicted of first-degree murder is life in prison. An element of the first-degree murder statute is the intent to kill. Second-Degree MurderSecond-degree murder can be an intentional killing, but it is not as serious as first-degree murder. Second degree murder can be charged when a defendant intentionally kills another human being but the murder is not premediated. Second-degree murder may result when a person kills out of an intense emotional response or impulse. Additionally, killing someone during a drive-by shooting, killing someone during the commission of a crime that is not sexual assault or killing someone unintentionally while intended to inflict great physical harm to a victim for whom an order of protection was obtained can result in second-degree murder charges. Second-degree murder has a maximum penalty of 40 years in prison.Third-Degree MurderThis murder is not based on having the intent to kill. Third-degree murder is often charged as a depraved heart or mind crime. This charge can arise when a person fires a gun in a crowd without intending to kill anyone, for example. Murder is charged when a person is killed and the defendant has an indifference to the sanctity of human life. This charge may also result if a person sells bad drugs. The maximum penalty for murder is up to 25 years in prison. If the death resulted because of a Schedule I or II drug sale, a fine of up to $40,000 may result.Voluntary manslaughterVoluntary manslaughter charges may be imposed rather than murder charges when a defendant commits a murder due to being provoked by an intense emotional response. This is often referred to as a “crime of passion.” Other situations may result in this charge when the defendant unintentionally causes another person’s death because of distributing a Schedule III, IV or V controlled substance. Voluntary manslaughter carries with it a maximum punishment of 15 years imprisonment and fines up to $30,000. Involuntary ManslaughterInvoluntary manslaughter is essentially a killing based on negligence. For example, mistaking a person as an animal while hunting and shooting him or her. Child neglect that results in death may be charged as involuntary manslaughter. Vehicular homicide in which the negligent operation of a vehicle results in the death of another can also be charged in this way. Maximum penalties for these types of crimes can include up to 10 years in prison and $20,000 in fines. https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/murder-charges-in-minnesota-43141" rel="nofollow - https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/murder-charges-in-minnesota-43141
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 12:36pm
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Aiding and abetting brings the same result as the crime the principle was charged with, so they are all facing second degree murder, so all 4 facing up to 40 years. Former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin was charged with second-degree murder on Wednesday in the death of George Floyd, and three other former officers who were present during the killing were charged with aiding and abetting murder.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 12:52pm
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It amazes me that none of the police goons did anything to save their own arse. It did not take Columbo to see that this was going to end up extremely badly for them. You would think that 'I can't breathe' was burned into cop race memory in America. ------------- Manners are of more importance than laws Edmund Burke |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 12:54pm
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There will be more riots when the killer is found not guilty. There is no way they will be able to prove he intentionally killed that fella. Second-Degree MurderSecond-degree murder can be an intentional killing, but it is not as serious as first-degree murder. Second degree murder can be charged when a defendant intentionally kills another human being but the murder is not premediated. Second-degree murder may result when a person kills out of an intense emotional response or impulse. Additionally, killing someone during a drive-by shooting, killing someone during the commission of a crime that is not sexual assault or killing someone unintentionally while intended to inflict great physical harm to a victim for whom an order of protection was obtained can result in second-degree murder charges. Second-degree murder has a maximum penalty of 40 years in prison.------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 1:02pm
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Unlikely to be resolved under a couple of years according to legal experts. Lot of issues around co-trying and the fact one of the ''accomplices'' is in a position to cooperate for a lesser sentence. The evidence that Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's throat 3 and a half minutes after being declared without pulse is enough. The false statement that all four signed off on is a major problem to them not belong co-conspirators.
I believe that the charge was upgraded because Chauvin knew Floyd professionally a third degree charge couldn't be made and that the aiding and abetting couldn't be laid against the 3rd degree charge of Chauvin's |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 1:08pm
| He was a recidivist criminal, whose luck ran out. If you keep on going back to the well, eventually you come up empty. I notice bleeding-heart numpties going into bat for a young aboriginal hoodlum who threatened a police officer with a "crack on the chin". Should have been immediately tasered. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 1:12pm
I have no sympathy for that kid but the officer really was dumb in this environment. The kid was there to be handcuffed and taken away, there was no need to ground him. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 1:54pm
Trying to pay with a counterfeit note is not a crime. I've done it myself. Took a $50 to get some change and they confiscated the note. Didn't get a refund.  ------------- Manners are of more importance than laws Edmund Burke |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 2:00pm
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He wasn't even accused of passing it deliberately. According to the shop owner the staff followed procedure to report it to police so they can track down the source. Nobody accused him of anything illegal. Even if he did, it is a low level ticket and court appearance citation. Chauvin's prior knowledge of Floyd will come out.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 2:00pm
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Now I scrunch every note I get. Not that I deal in cash much these days. It's filthy. ------------- Manners are of more importance than laws Edmund Burke |
Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 2:08pm
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Being aware you have a counterfeit note and attempting to pass it on is a crime but if you are in possession of suspected counterfeit banknotes, counterfeit coins or counterfeit prescribed securities you should contact your local police or the Australian Federal Police in your state/territory. You should also complete a https://www.afp.gov.au/what-we-do/crime-types/counterfeit-currency#submission-form" rel="nofollow - Suspect counterfeit banknote form detailing the circumstances of how you came into possession of the counterfeit to assist police. The later is not a crime but the former is a crime. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 2:11pm
| Cant ask George if he was aware he had one now. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 2:15pm
| George's story is only one of millions, he is what I'd call an accidental celebrity. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 2:21pm
| He is representative of a movement of millions of disaffected people white, black, red, yellow who are oppressed by the corrupt legal and economic system. His death was just a tipping point for tens millions of unemployed people in food queues, who feel the brunt of everything hardest. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 2:32pm
| What about the "brindle" ? Tokenistic BS and empty gestures simply do not work, only sustained and systematic work and commitment, whether on your own behalf, or on behalf of others. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 2:58pm
| I'll warrant the majority of people who participate in street demos, are in it for self-satisfaction, if they really want to effect change, gotta get organized, not emotional and indignant. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 3:15pm
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George is where all Habitual Criminals should be. At least a couple on a jury would agree with me . |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 3:25pm
| Using that bloke as a poster boy for justice and decency, is disingenuous, or stupid, or misguided, or some blend of all of those. |
Posted By: Baguette
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 4:04pm
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 4:09pm
| That is why you see such a diversity of people marching Baguette , now all over the world, over 30 countries. This will be significant. The brother is echoing the pleas of a rapper from Georgia(I think)last week I will try to find it. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 4:10pm
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 4:21pm
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We want to see he says .... We all want to see law & Order. We all want to see the victims of Floyd's life of crime. You can't have your cake and eat it too. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 4:39pm
| I see that Hollywood film man Quentin Tarantino joined a march, but a reporter asked him what he was doing there, considering all he made were violent, hate-filled movies. Which he said had nothing to do with matters, of course you would say that, you Hollywood weasel. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 4:59pm
| George Washington couldn't tell a lie, George Floyd couldn't tell the difference between a fake note, and a real one. If only the shopkeeper wasn't so undiscerning. I wonder whether that shopkeeper fronted George about that note, (he must have done), and how George reacted. If it was along the lines of "tough titties" them I am not shedding any tears for George, who was not a case of needing to get food for his starving kids, but just feeding his nicotine addiction. |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 5:02pm
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What were the crimes George did time for ? Hs brother seems a decent man. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 5:05pm
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Home invasion, armed, was one.5 years. Should have shot him then. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 5:07pm
| Violent home invasion was one. When you think about it, we can give George the benefit of the doubt that he did not know the note was fake, but when the shop-keeper noticed it, presumably he challenged George, now, did George hand back the smokes and get the $20 back ? We'd assume not, or why are the police called ? |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 6:42pm
| George Perry Floyd was a 46-year-old black man who was born in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayetteville,_North_Carolina" rel="nofollow - Fayetteville , North Carolina, and raised in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Ward,_Houston" rel="nofollow - Third Ward https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-:8-26" rel="nofollow - [26] of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston" rel="nofollow - Houston , Texas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-WCCO-24" rel="nofollow - [24] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-:7-27" rel="nofollow - [27] He attended https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yates_High_School" rel="nofollow - Yates High School , where he played on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball" rel="nofollow - basketball and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football" rel="nofollow - football teams. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-:7-27" rel="nofollow - [27] He attended https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Florida_State_College" rel="nofollow - South Florida Community College from 1993 to 1995 and played on the school's basketball team. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-28" rel="nofollow - [28] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-29" rel="nofollow - [29] Floyd returned to Houston and entered the local https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop" rel="nofollow - hip hop scene as an automotive customizer; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-30" rel="nofollow - [30] he joined the hip hop group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screwed_Up_Click" rel="nofollow - Screwed Up Click and rapped under the stage name Big Floyd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-31" rel="nofollow - [31] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-32" rel="nofollow - [32] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlanta_Journal-Constitution" rel="nofollow - The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that Floyd was charged with armed robbery in 2007, and in 2009 took a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_deal" rel="nofollow - plea deal to be sentenced to five years' imprisonment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-33" rel="nofollow - [33] In 2014, Floyd moved to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota" rel="nofollow - Minnesota https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-AJC-34" rel="nofollow - [34] in search of employment and a new life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-:8-26" rel="nofollow - [26] He took on two jobs: working as a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truck_driver" rel="nofollow - truck driver and as a restaurant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_guard" rel="nofollow - security guard at Conga Latin Bistro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-:8-26" rel="nofollow - [26] He worked at the restaurant for five years, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-35" rel="nofollow - [35] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-12news-36" rel="nofollow - [36] but lost the job because of Minnesota's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay-at-home_order" rel="nofollow - stay-at-home order during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Minnesota" rel="nofollow - COVID-19 pandemic . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-37" rel="nofollow - [37] He was the father of two daughters, ages six and 22, who remained in Houston, and an adult son in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan,_Texas" rel="nofollow - Bryan , Texas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-38" rel="nofollow - [38] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd#cite_note-39" rel="nofollow - [39] |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 7:57pm
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That's a pretty picture of Floyd ... The one I read had him with a string of convictions. One mistake = fair enough , if what you say is True. --------------------- “What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this,” police union president Bob Kroll told his members in a letter posted Monday on Twitter. Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported. |
Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 8:47pm
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Floyd was no angel that's for dam sure, but the police officer who held him down for 8 minutes has plenty to answer for ------------- EAD |
Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 8:50pm
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From that Wikipedia notation I see George Perry Floyd entered the local https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop" rel="nofollow - hip hop scene as an automotive customizer. I might be a bit behind times, but what does a person work in a hip hop scene as an automative customizer ? Is any different from working in a football club as an automative customizer ?
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 9:12pm
| You are well ahead of me, Bob, I am very dim on what "hip-hop" actually might be. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 9:17pm
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Just a simple question :- Your placed in a position of removing a 6ft 5" ball of muscle criminal, from the rear of a paddy wagon , Say at a Gaol, Station , detention center. He refuses violently to come out. HOW would you approach the situation, Remembering the Van has to get back on the Road, The Police have more cases to attend . ETC. This happens regularly --- GO FOR IT-- Talking nicely fails, all other bribes fail . --- get him out. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 9:18pm
| Call the Fire Brigade macca. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 9:21pm
| NO NO . they would be your worst choice. No training in such matters and I expect a drenching wouldn't help the situation. Make him slippery. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 9:26pm
| Get a gorilla from the zoo, that is looking for a pet human ? The offender can punch-on with that. For about 2 seconds. |
Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 10:47pm
Firstly, you’re trying to compare apples and oranges. Secondly, how do you refuse violently when your hands are tied behind your back?
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 10:50pm
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Such cases should give the uninformed an idea of the difficulties facing those who are placed in such awkward Positions. Safety for all concerned is the prime consideration, but experienced people do excel in getting the job done. |
Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 11:43pm
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safety for all concerned? This thread is about a man in custody, in a position where he was no threat to anybody, was murdered by a callous cop, whilst 3 of his mate looked on, unconcerned about his welfare.
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Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 12:22am
"Keep up", Rusty. It's not about the guy dying - it's about this now.
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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 12:41am
... having drawn on his vast experience of "policing", and dealing with 150 kg Islanders, and Arabs, in various stages of inebriation from tipsy to ice addicts, the next thing rusty will be telling us "we will have to agree to disagree"! ... oh, and Brown Lives of all Shades Matter!   ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 12:49am
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Doc, I might have won my last fight by 200 metres. But I’m not fazed at all about having to deal with your list of scary miscreants when they have their arms cuffed behind their backs, when I have a truncheon, a taser, a gun and plenty of backup.......
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