2020 MM Yearling Sale Discussion Page
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Topic: 2020 MM Yearling Sale Discussion Page
Posted By: goldey
Subject: 2020 MM Yearling Sale Discussion Page
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 12:07pm
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Might make it cleaner for the Gay and Co, to have a discussion page.
Thanks, it's a pity I didn't look hard enough when I posted in another MM thread! I'm worse than the members I'm 'supposed' to be adminnig  |
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 12:14pm
Good idea Goldey. 
Had Lot 80 down as a possible for the Yearling Comp. $1m - no thanks. See Buff's half brother in was passed at $170k.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 1:03pm
| Gee SC I haven't been able to pick the ones I've wanted for years. The prices just went through the roof. |
Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 6:52pm
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I have a list of 9 that i like in this sale. 2 went through today. 7 to come. The Tivaci colt looked great and went for a bit more than i expected. Hawkes just keeps bidding. They like, they buy. The Cable Bay filly was a touch cheaper than i expected, being passed in for 70k in the ring with 100k reserve. They accepted 80k from Freedy.
115 Cable Bay filly A.Freedman 80K 247 Tivaci colt J.Hawkes 240K 495 Brazen Beau colt 546 Shalaa filly 606 Cable Bay colt 613 Flying Artie colt 698 Shalaa colt 839 Pierro filly 855 So You Think filly |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 9:13pm
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Made a note on my phone to follow this lot... 80 - I Am Invincible x Amanpour 128 - Written Tycoon x Bel Mer 142 - All Too Hard x Bollinger Rose 261 - Frosted x Eagles Destiny 301 - Frosted x Fast Fleet 322 - I Am Invincible x Friday Hussy 471 - Starcraft x Leone Chiara 531 - Written Tycoon x Minaj 748 - Frosted x Serenely Discreet No real rhyme or reason to the list. I think Bel Mer has produced some excellent racehorses so far & this bloke looked every bit $500k to me in the photo. Reckon Sun Bloodstock have bought well for $175k... Didn't think the Amanpour colt would go for $1m, but I suppose you have to add a zero for the sire... I like everything about Frosted, except the AP Indy top line (which i'll admit is a bit mental)... I always found it weird that Leone Chiara produced an absolute gun from her first season, then spent the next 10 chasing the 'commercial' opportunity. Finally, she returns to Starcraft & i'm interested to see whether there's still lead in the pencil... Liked the racing style of Minaj, even if she was no superstar. Hopefully this black filly is a jet... |
Posted By: saintly96
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 9:50pm
| I am with you re the Bel Mer, Red Hare. |
Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 5:04pm
| $10k at a premium sales doesn’t say much |
Posted By: saintly96
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 5:07pm
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314 Newgate Farm C Snitzel (AUS) Fontiton (AUS) Ciaron Maher Racing/Dermot Farrington Bloodstock $575,000 I like this one. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 5:07pm
| Hi Bill. Do you have any favs? |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2020 at 6:22pm
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saintly96 wrote:Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2020 at 1:00am
acquaintance Isn’t buy much in Australia more in Japan and breeding there as well,so haven’t even layed eyes on a catalogue,just taking quick look through results. He may not be able to resist though. 🤗
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Posted By: Kimberley Mine
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2020 at 3:20am
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The price on the Written Tycoon filly out of Karuta Queen surprised me. Yes, he's a good stallion and the dam is off to a good start, but...still. The million dollar colts don't surprise me because they're speculative plays for stud fees later on. If that $1.9M Deep Impact colt goes to stud and sires 40 foals per year at $20,000 fee, he's paid that off and then some before his first foals his the track. At $1.5M, the filly needs to show she can produce in her first 5 or so foals or the market will turn on her, so she needs her foals to sell for a minimum of $300,000 depreciation + stud fee + agistment just to break even. If she goes to someone like I Am Invincible at $150k fee, then at a minimum her foals need to sell for $500,000 just to break even.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2020 at 1:19pm
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$1.8m for the Platelet colt... outstanding record, but you have to wonder how many times she rode the lightning. Brave Smash, Stratum Star, Tosen Stardom, Mahuta, Palentino, Trust In A Gust... discussion for another thread, but there has to be question marks on all of them.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 3:35pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 3:44pm
| For those confused by the lack of accompanying text, the above apparently summarizes the highest priced yearlings thus far, in descending order. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 12:59pm
How the kiss did you work that out ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 3:40pm
| I have a ouija board. |
Posted By: Taxidriver
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2020 at 1:19pm
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Here is my two bob's worth. Of the lots I saw these are the ones I thought stood out on type. I ignored those that were well above my pay grade. Book 1 Colts 178 Capitalist * Chipanda (Sepoy) $200k 303 Shalaa * Fimatino (NASD) $160k. My No.1. 451 Air Force Blue * La Bella Luisa (Clang) $150k 770 Capitalist * Silent Cash (Secret Savings) $120k. Fillies 180 American Pharoah * Choice of Colours (RC) $260k 458 Shalaa * Lady Moura (RC) $325k 716 Capitalist * Sagaronne (Real Saga) $110k 786 Savabeel * Society Lady (OReilly) $330k My No. 1. Book 2 913 Divine Prophet * Jetting to London (Jet Spur) $160k 959 Your Song * Queenofthegalaxies (NM) $24k Did struggle to find any from Baramul that pleased the eye. I was not alone it seems. |
Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2020 at 4:05pm
| 8 out of 10 for first season sires. When maybe 10% of sires are commercially successful that means you are on a hiding to nothing. But, best of luck. |
Posted By: Taxidriver
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2020 at 4:19pm
| I wasn't confident about Capitalist until I saw a few good uns. Thought the hype was excessive. However, many look like early runners, smallish and easy movers.. |
Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2020 at 7:18pm
| They were fairly varied in type, which may not be a good sign The Winning Ruperts were more consistent overall & more like the expected W.T. mould |
Posted By: Taxidriver
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2020 at 8:16pm
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On the consistent theme, Glencoe what did you think of the Shalaa's overall?
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Posted By: Taxidriver
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2020 at 8:29pm
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Wonder if some vendors are bemused by having a yearling rejected by the rigorous MM inspection team, and then watching Baramul have 56 selected on merit, of which 36 sold. A cracking 64% clearance rate. The overall clearance rate was 88%, including the Baramul draft...Is there a credibility problem here?
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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2020 at 8:37am
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The reports on Shalaa are very positive. They were well received in the sales ring Interestingly he has quite an inbred pedigree by Aust. standards . Can our more learned colleagues enlighten us whether this will be an asset or a hindrance? One who made "overs " because of their strong impressive types was Sooboog. It will be interesting to see what happens at lesser sales. When I was a vendor Gerry's high pass in rate never worried me. That is his problem. Through him MM have provided an excellent opportunity for vendors in 4 states. MM have always supported their sales to the max. I believe it was Gerry's intervention that kept Adelaide going when it was really struggling
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2020 at 9:22am
Well our learned colleagues may be busy, so I'll poke my nose in. Don't believe his inbreeding will be a problem, rather the reverse. Though I'll admit to being right into line breeding. Two Gp 1 winning sons of Invincible Spirit from different female families have siblings Kris and Diesis in the 3rd remove. Wouldn't think even another line of Sharpen Up wouldn't overload the boat. Love Danzig 3 x 3, don't know if any more is required however the ubiquitous Danehill could figure in successful matings Sir Gaylord appears in the pedigree of heaps of superior gallopers in Oz and being so far back wouldn't mind another instance. Over to others. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2020 at 12:16pm
| And without hijacking Glencoe's post, some might also care to suggest what outcross influences they'd like to see in his matrons. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2020 at 12:35pm
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Talking about Danzig, there appears to be 13 MM yearlings with three strains of Danzig. Equally interesting Lot 521 has Diesis (Sharpen Up) top and bottom. And Lot 523 reinforces Invincible Spirit's sire Green Desert via Cape Cross, sire of the colt's grand-dam.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2020 at 2:15pm
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Make that: "Talking about Danzig, there appears to be 13 MM yearlings by Shalaa with three strains of Danzig.
Equally interesting Lot 521 by Shalaa has Diesis (Sharpen Up) top and bottom. And Lot 523 by Shalaa reinforces Invincible Spirit's sire Green Desert via Cape Cross, sire of the colt's grand-dam. |
Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2020 at 8:35pm
| Shalaa might appreciate a line or two of Tamarett/mixed Marriage |
Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2020 at 8:38pm
| And probably Bletchingly |
Posted By: Kimberley Mine
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2020 at 2:52am
The mare Cap and Bells, dam of his 3rd dam Hardship's sire Drone, is also the dam of Lady Capulet, dam of El Prado. Cap and Bells was a very high-quality mare and would make a good linebreeding target for daughters of Medaglia D'oro, Kitten's Joy, or El Prado himself. Looking at Hardship's production, I note that her second-best foal Covered Wagon is by Gone West. Her daughter Humble has a multiple listed winning+Gr-3 placed colt by a son of Gone West and a daughter who produced a metropolitan-winning filly by Quality Road (Elusive Quality - Gone West). Hardship's daughter Bin Sweet (by Binalong, by Known Fact, who is out of the mare Tamerett) has been a good producer when crossed to Gone West sons...a winner of almost US$80k sired by Elusive Quality, a filly sired by Johar who won almost US$85k, and a filly by Dynaformer whose first foal by Gone West won about US $60k at metro level. Based on the above, he might suit mares by Zafonic, Iffraaj and Elusive Quality might be suitable. MDO, Kitten's Joy, El Prado, Zafonic, Iffraaj, and Elusive Quality are all free of Danzig, too.
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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2020 at 9:18am
| You are on the money there KM. Some E.Q. mares have been highly fancied for Cable Bay |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 2:22pm
Am totally over the moon to be a part owner of the following lot purchased by Robbie Griffiths for just $50k at MM Adelaide today. He's certainly been caught up in a fence at some point, however X-rays suggest he's more than worth any risk.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 3:04pm
| wow good luck with him SC. Great family. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 8:32am
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Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 9:32am
| Nice animal. Athletic and cheap for the page. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 12:58pm
Thanks Furious and Isaac. 
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Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 1:38pm
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Looks Lovely SC, good luck down the track..' I Am Lucky' comes to mind..
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Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 4:00am
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How is this sale going ahead? There are over 300 horse staff on the complex plus another 60 Magic Millions staff. Doesn’t leave much room for buyers. But nobody would dare stop them from ignoring all protocols ------------- “Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house.” |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 3:32pm
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And at the risk of boring you to
death, here's our last for 2020. Just
purchased a 10% share in the following filly which was one of the four
yearlings I'd short-listed in the Adelaide catalogue. One of the others
was the I Am Invincible colt (see above). Please
wish us luck. Account of RATHMORE LODGE, Rockleigh, SA. Lot 307(100% GST)CHESTNUT FILLY Barn 8 Row B Foaled 12th September 2018 Branded :
FROSTED (USA) (Roan or Grey 2012-Stud U.S.A. 2017, Aust. 2017). 6 wins-1 at 2-from 1600m to 1900m, US$3,522,800, 1,651,500Dhs, Saratoga Whitney S., Gr.1, Aqueduct Wood Memorial S., Gr.1, Belmont Metropolitan H., Gr.1, Meydan Al Maktoum Challenge Round 2 S., Gr.2, 2d Belmont S., Gr.1, 3d Saratoga Travers S., Gr.1. Half-brother to SW Indulgent (Aqueduct Go for Wand H., Gr.3). His oldest SH-bred progeny are yearlings.
1st dam 2nd dam Purrpussful. 5 wins-1 at 2-at 1200m, 1400m, $109,465, to 2018-19, 2d MVRC Cube Finance H. 3rd dam Heartening. 3 wins 1000m to 1550m, STC Darley Guineas Day H., 2d AJC Yagoona H. Cardiac. 2 wins at 1400m, 1600m. Dam of- |
Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 4:26pm
| SC, you're on a roll! All nice pages - best of luck. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 4:45pm
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Thanks Mumtaz. ps inspected the filly today, and anyone with $2,500 to spare (or half that for a 5% share) could do a whole lot worse than get involved. Here's what purchaser/trainer George Osborne had to say on his website: Frosted stood for $38500 when serving the
filly’s dam. The filly herself was sold as a weanling for $40K and I just had to be in
the right place at the right time in a real lull in the middle of the Adelaide
sales last week being able to negotiate a post auction purchase at $18K.
She is dripping with black type and reads like a real Oaks prospect, particularly when you see two Oaks winners in the direct family in Arapaho Miss and Miami Bound. The sire is a world class miler with a world class pedigree. There is so much value here its hard to believe that the opportunity to get involved for only $2500 per 10% share. This includes purchase, G.S.T., transport to Romsey VIC, 2 months spelling. She’s also a SUPER VOBIS filly VOBIS SIRES eligible and will be a VOBIS GOLD nominated filly as well so the extra bonuses will continue throughout her career. |
Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 9:56am
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Looks Good SC, you are building up a nice team to follow. On the MM note, What does everyone think will happen to the MAY - JUNE Sales at the Gold Coast? Do you think it will be online with videos etc or postponed? Have an entry sent, don't know to prep or not to prep????
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 2:03pm
| That fillies dam is breed to be a good broodmare SC so lets hope this is a good one also. Nice pedigree with the Nijinsky and Mr Prospector fxm's and the two crosses of Weekend Surprise and Coup de Folie. Should see her making a good broodmare herself. |
Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 6:05pm
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[QUOTE=GAJ] Looks Good SC, you are building up a nice team to follow. Â On the MM note, What does everyone think will happen to the MAY - JUNE Sales at the Gold Coast? Â Do you think it will be online with videos etc or postponed? Â Have an entry sent, don't know to prep or not to prep???? [/QUOTEBe prepared for the market to fall right away at the sales , and for people to be hard pressed to pay training and agistment bills as this thing really starts to bite in the next 2 months .Then we will be taxed to the hilt to get back on keel. |
Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 10:05pm
| Goldey I have a sure winner you can put money on. The GST will go up!!! How Far ??? |
Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 8:39am
| Thanks Goldey, My gut feeling to pull out. |
Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 1:34pm
| It looks like the sales are on hold for now, maybe the mares will go on line, but preferential for yearlings to be live. So will wait for the press release to see what pans out. Will be later in the year and of course only if this Covid 19 has come under control. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2020 at 5:04pm
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Am just so high at the moment re the I Am Invincible colt above. And why? Because yearlings by the sire, most with inferior pages to our colt, are currently averaging $470k at the Easter sale!  Just so fortunate the fellow we bought into was cosmetically unattractive after being caught up in a fence, because his sale price of $50k was a steal, plain and simple. ps sounds too good to be true, so he probably won't be able to run out of sight on a dark night.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 12:30pm
And last but hopefully not least. We've taken a small share in this fellow:
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 12:36pm
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Lots of nice WA connections there SC. I love Blackfriars . Jamal will be drooling. Good Luck ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 4:35pm
Thanks AA. Here he is:
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 4:50pm
| Much fun should be had with those horses SC. Good luck. |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 4:55pm
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I will certainly follow the Blackfriars fellow with interest SC. Just lets know when named and where to race please. I do like him, and who ever did that photo touch up did good work too. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 5:23pm
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Thanks ladies. We now have an interest in the three yearlings posted above, though just 5%, 10%, and 5% respectfully. So we'll hopefully get a lot of fun following three gallopers at the same cost as someone with a 20% share in just one horse.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 4:35pm
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Had a very nice result at Naracoorte on Wednesday, and couldn't help myself by taking a 5% share in Lot 202 out of the Vobis Gold Yearling sale - a big strong correct filly by Vancouver from a Testa Rossa winning half-sister to multiple sprinting stakes-winner General Truce and from the same female family as top performers Jetball and Marwina. On paper should ge fast early however on physique wouldn't show her best until at least three imo. Here she is, virtually in paddock condition, though I'm afraid the photo might be corrupt and make her look too long and not tall enough. A decent shot is available if you care to google the Inglis Vobis Gold Sale 2020.  |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 4:36pm
| No, the photo is fine. |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 5:59pm
| Ah another 1-n family. Good luck with her. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2020 at 6:17pm
Clean legged type SC, that's how they used to come in from winter spell, unshod and in their natural state, nice little " dish " in facial structure , you could do a Lot worse imo.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 2:28pm
Our I Am Invincible colt, now named Vinlago, had a jump out today. Stable Report follows:
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Posted By: Ted
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 5:05pm
| Brilliant, all the best with him SC! |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2020 at 7:05pm
| Yeh finally something for the comps which can gallop. I've only had bad ones the last few years. All the luck in the world SC. I'll barrack from the sidelines. |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 5:28pm
Nice one SC  Unfortunately, our Flying Artie filly went from a pre-Xmas fait accompli to arytenoid chondritis and might have a career, if you're lucky.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 5:36pm
That's unfortunate news RH.  But hopefully not a life sentence.Would be interested for you to remind me of its breeding, as am commencing a database of "suspect " sires in relation to similarly affected horses. By pm if more appropriate, but no obligation on you either way.
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Posted By: VSP.
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 5:42pm
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Wow, impressive SC. Hope he gives you a Spring bonus. ------------- www.snowshoecats.webs.com |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 10:52am
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Good one, SC. Whats happening with the Blackfriars horse ? ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 11:33am
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 11:40am
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Has he got a name yet SC ? So I can black book him .
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 11:57am
She was (is) named Flying Barty. A few of us thought she’d damaged the cartilage whilst screaming & vomiting in hysterics over the pox name she’d been given
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 12:40pm
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Now that I check arytenoid chondritis isn't believed to be hereditary like some other breathing issues. It's a pity nonetheless, particularly as her 3/4 relation Ruban Blue is a pretty handy galloper and it's a nice female family.
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Posted By: Ted
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 6:59pm
Best of luck Saturday SC
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Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 7:11pm
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Yes SC, what Ted said. I had him picked as one to follow from the sale.
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Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2021 at 5:27pm
Congrats to the TaxiDriver on selecting the Millions winner with his No1 colt in the sale. At a very reasonable price too of 160K. Fair effort that. The taxidrivers always get the good mail.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2021 at 5:52pm
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Well remembered Vivarchi & thanks for bringing it up Bloody sensational selecting by Taxidriver, with such a massive number to choose from, not to mention by a 1st season sire  Shaquero Dominant in Magic Millions 2yo ClassicMark Smith - Saturday January 16 After giving his first season sire Shalaa (IRE) the best possible to his career when winning the Breeders' Plate at Randwick, Shaquero provided champion trainer Chris Waller with his first win in the $2million Magic Millions 2yo Classic (RL) at the Gold Coast on Saturday. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2021 at 8:09pm
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Great work taxi, where ever you are. Probably necking himself for not buying it
in real life |