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Topic: Carif
Posted By: Afros
Subject: Carif
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2019 at 1:46pm
Looks a stayer of the future this guy.



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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2019 at 1:51pm
Looks like a stayer for the future. Did a lot wrong but ran well

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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2019 at 2:00pm
Chased the winner after being shuffled back out of it on the turn.  Good run.  He definately has alot to learn but talented with it.


Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2019 at 2:49pm
Would make a nice stallion too.


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2019 at 3:33pm
Wish Peter S would get more staying stock to train instead of these piss weak sprinting types , his history and talent is wasted imo.


Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2019 at 10:31am
Peter spoke in our marquee yesterday and admitted to throwing him in the deep end and was nowhere near mature enough yet. . Give him 12 months and he will be our cup horse . Something maybe for the early pre post punters

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2019 at 10:54am
He will be finished in 12 months.

He has had ample racing.

He is as good as will be.

I suspect he is a chaser, needs something in front of him.

Only in Australia is a horse "still learning" at start 16.



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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2019 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

He will be finished in 12 months.

He has had ample racing.

He is as good as will be.

I suspect he is a chaser, needs something in front of him.

Only in Australia is a horse "still learning" at start 16.


So ...he tells porkies?....doesn't know ?.... a few starts ago ran in a class 1 at Newcastle, now runs an encouraging 2nd in a G3 and is as green as grass, your talking out of your rear imo.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2019 at 2:55pm
I suspect he is one that would improve for gelding.

That class 1 he should have by panels, instead he waited for them.

I suspect he will always be chasing unless his run is timed to perfection.



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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2019 at 3:11pm
Fwiw I'm inclined to agree with the trainer, maturity is the main ingredient with this horse, and it's duly Noted for future ref.


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2020 at 2:05pm
Currently joint fav for the Sydney Cup!

Be hopefully he can work his way through the grades of the Sydney staying races culminating in the Chairman's and the Sydney Cup. The new 2 mile Brisbane Cup may also be a good target.


Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2020 at 6:23pm
To be honest Afros, he is, for me an ideal type for the Andrew Ramsden which is a ticket into the big one.

I think that proved very successful last year and the prep seems to suit horses, as it is a little bit like a European prep where the horse has that prep, then does not hove a full three month spell, and a short two run prep into the Cup itself.

The Surprise Baby prep is the ideal prep, if your trainer can get the stayer fit enough through training!

But each to their own!


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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2020 at 9:59pm
That's even better! Could even go from the Ramsden to the Brisbane Cup if he's still going ok.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2020 at 11:27pm
If he wins the Sydney Cup, He is currently on BM97 he is guaranteed a start in the big one in November. 

I am not sure he is a winner.

He is a chaser. He could chase Winx and put 20 lengths on the 3rd horse. Take Winx out of the race he'd be lucky to beat the 3rd horse.....


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 12:51pm
Looking forward to seeing how he goes first up over the mile on Saturday.

In his 3 campaigns he has taken 2 or 3 starts to get to the mile or further.




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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 6:58am
I thought his run on Saturday was a nice run, worked home well late, guessing he'll go to the Tancred next or perhaps the Chairmans and finally the Sydney Cup.


Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 9:18am
There was an article on Racing.com last month where Peter Snowden stated that Carif was unlikely to go to the Sydney Cup.

The Tancred Stks & The Chairman’s Hcp are mooted as his target races & then “we can pull up stumps” according to Peter.

Personally I don’t understand this plan of trying to win the Chairman’s & then avoid the Sydney Cup. Sure he’d be allocated less weight in the Spring Cups, but who targets a $300k G2 lead up & then avoids the $2m G1 finale?   


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 10:43am
That ia strange, eventually you've got to stop 'going through the grades' and have a crack at a big one.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 11:57am
Totally agree with you Voyager and Afros. Why not have a go at a G1?

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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 12:53pm
Why not target a clearly winnable G2, put your horse out having not gutted it, then depending on its' performance, set it for higher grade events in the Spring?
A trainers' aim should be to place horses in races it can be most competitive in, thereby giving owners the best chance of recouping expenses.
2 hard runs on likely heavy tracks could well see the horse never reach his perceived potential.



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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 1:58pm
It depends what type of stayer you have Gay.

If you have a clean winded athletic type, with the style and frame of say an Efficient, then you could just about start the horse first up in the 3200m even if know how you can get them fit enough from work.

If you have a old time stayer who needs about three runs to get anywhere near peak fitness then it is better to give them at least a four run prep in the autumn so they can keep abit of fitnesss while they are spelling.

Carif seems to be a stayer who can race well from his first run right through so he does not need a few to get ready, and there3fore your suggested prep is not out of the question.

Also I think all of those horses from the Sky High except for Life Less Ordinary, did not handle that bottomless track and they will have felt the run Sunday morning.

I would have still aimed him at the Andrew Ramsden, but again each to their own.   

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Posted By: Mr Grieves
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 3:19pm
Crazy. He's not up to winning a CC or MC. 


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 5:14am
Blue blood stallion prospect ... they would love him to win something better than a Newcastle Class 1 & Maiden's set weights!Cry

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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 7:36am
There can only be one reason he would baxk up in the Chairmans this week instead of the Sydney Cup next week, they think racing will be suspended shortly.


Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 5:36pm
According to Racing.com

“The connections of Carif may sacrifice the Sydney Cup with the long-term aspirations of competing in the Melbourne Cup. The plan has always been to try and get into the Melbourne Cup and I think we've almost made the criteria now with not too many imports coming over this year. Getting him into the race (Melbourne Cup) is what it's always been about and we don't want to go three runs in three weeks with him going to two miles.”

Whilst he’s run some nice placings, his only 2 wins have been a Maiden & a Class 1, both at Newcastle. Not sure how Peter Snowden thinks he be in the top 24 in the ballot order on that basis.




Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 5:50pm
Randwick Metrop. could be a chance , I think he should be given a throw at the stumps.


Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 6:00pm
Agree Carioca. The Metropolitan Hcp (& probably Newcastle Cup too) should be in his spring plans.


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 6:30pm
Surely the Bart Cummings is the obvious target if the Melbourne Cup is the aim?


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 6:30pm
Surely the Bart Cummings is the obvious target if the Melbourne Cup is the ultimate aim?


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 6:48pm
Afros - I think you're spot on. Win the Bart Cummings and then onto the Cup with the win in the Bart Cummings meaning an automatic entry into the Melbourne Cup.



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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 7:33pm
I am starting to agree with djebel with this guy.

I had him and Youngstar as standouts Saturday and Clark rode him perfectly, he hit the front and dead set stopped and waited for them to grab him.

That form is about three lengths at least off winning a Sydney cup, so he will need to improve significantly to even get a run in the big one, although if the internationals do not come it makes his job easier.


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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 7:43pm
The problem with the Bart Cummings Stks is that so many other promising Melbourne stayers are targetting this race also. But I’m really not a fan of these ‘golden ticket’ races.

Prefer horses to earn their place in the Melb Cup through their efforts over the whole year, not just 1 race. A good ‘old school’ Newcastle Cup & Metrop campaign seems to align with Carif’s talent level. Plus a G1 Metrop Hcp looks better for a stallion than a G3 Bart Cummings.

Having said that, hopefully no internationals turn up for the Spring, so it might be easier to get into the field in 2020.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

According to Racing.com

“The connections of Carif may sacrifice the Sydney Cup with the long-term aspirations of competing in the Melbourne Cup. The plan has always been to try and get into the Melbourne Cup and I think we've almost made the criteria now with not too many imports coming over this year. Getting him into the race (Melbourne Cup) is what it's always been about and we don't want to go three runs in three weeks with him going to two miles.”

Whilst he’s run some nice placings, his only 2 wins have been a Maiden & a Class 1, both at Newcastle. Not sure how Peter Snowden thinks he be in the top 24 in the ballot order on that basis.





101 might be enuff to get in this year.



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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 11:44pm
The other way of looking at it is that we should be patient with Carif. He is still a young horse and still learning. Some stayers take longer to mature. In fact some horses at all distances take longer to reach thier peak - some reach thier peak as older horses. Almandin and Rogan Josh won Melbourne Cup's as 7 year-old's. Not saying Carif is in that class (not yet anyway) but he is running ok without being excellent, but he hasn't been putting in shockers either in races at 2400m+.

Having said all of that, he does lack that killer punch in the last 200m. Hopefully he gets better and improves.

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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 10:00am
Carif kicks off his Spring campaign today at Hawkesbury in the Rowley Mile - 4.20pm


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2020 at 10:36am
Well tomorrow is D Day in terms of whether they've thrown all the eggs in the right basket.


Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2020 at 11:04am
Promised the world and delivered an atlas.


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 6:03pm
Nominated for the Sandown Cup.

Probably more his level, maybe this race and the Christmas Cup back in Sydney are two good targets in the short term with the Hobart and Launceston Cups considered if he can win one or both?


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 6:58pm
Has won two from 27 and been up longer than Rupert Murdoch's viagra assisted hard on.  

But do hope he can win a half-decent race.
 


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2020 at 7:30pm
Has only been out of Group racing twice since his last win, one was the listed mile race, short of what should be his best distance and the other was his second in the St Lever last year which was a field comparable to a Group 3 staying race.

This will be a good guide for them as to whether he is capable of at least being competitive in some G3/listed staying races or if the bar needs to be reset even lower.


Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 8:25am
Hes been terribly unlucky this prep including last start


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2020 at 9:08am
Name change to Coodawoodashoulda


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 11:21am
Hard to believe it's taken this long to get him out to this distance, Saturday is his day to prove he belongs in stakes class.  Otherwise I guess he goes back to benchmark racing?


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 1:32pm
Question is - is he good enough for stakes (Group/Listed) class?

We will fund out on Saturday 


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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 3:00pm
You literally just repeated what I said Jamal, do you like the sound of your own voice?


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 4:15pm
Or perhaps his own words in print? LOL
The only 'funding' coming from this horse will be to bookmakers/agensies/corporates kittys!



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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 4:23pm
Very true Gay!

He's second fav for Sat, shorter than Miami Bound, no way you could sensibly back him at that price surely?


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 3:52pm
Makes you wonder why they didn't go to the Sydney Cup now, that was a good win.  Hopefully they go to the Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane Cups next year now, all at 2 miles.


Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 3:54pm
I just hope Afros they do not spell him!

If they give him a English style 12 month prep he can do what Persan did this year!


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 3:56pm
Ridden a treat.  


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 3:57pm
Carif & Realm of Flowers gives champion horse So You Think the quinella in the 2 mile Sandown Cup with the American bred San Humberto in 3 place. And The Great Man Bart Cummings (who would have turned 93 today) is looking down from above & is mightily pleased with the result because he trained So You Think & the winner Carif is out of the Thorn Park mare Norzita who was also trained by Bart. 

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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 3:59pm
I agree Voyager, I don't know if he's up to the Melbourne Cup but he can pick off some lower level staying races, the 2400m listed race in Sydney in a few weeks and the Bagot handicap, followed by the 2 Tassie cups could all be good aims.


Posted By: brave_ponies
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 3:59pm
I finally jumped off! But great to see him get a win.
Hope djebel didn't see the interview with Pete Snowden LOL


Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 4:02pm
Protest.

But it looks frivolous to me!



Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 4:14pm
I suspect that was Carif's last race with his crown jewels. He will be gelded soon I think.

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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 4:21pm
By So You Think out of a dual G1 winning mare, why geld him? Despite his race record he should have no trouble finding a stud job somewhere on his breeding surely?


Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 4:25pm
At the expense of sounding like djebel, it is beyond belief that connections would geld this stallion.

Hes a magnificent looking horse, with great blood lines & has just achieved his biggest race win.  Plenty of stayers dont hit their straps until they are 5 & 6 year olds.  The perfect example is Reckless, who as a 6yo stallion won the Adelaide, Sydney & Brisbane Cups in the one season and then went in to be a good bread & butter sire at stud.

Not sure Voyagers plan of keeping him going with a Persan style prep would work.  Ciaron Maher is a far superior trainer to the Snowdens 


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 4:36pm
I think Voyagers idea is more about him being a stayer than anything else, why tip him out and race runs getting him fit when you could just keep him ticking over and pick off races that suit?


Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 4:38pm
On a very sad note, Carif's dam Norzita died this morning due to a paddock accident.
Cry



Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 4:50pm
https://twitter.com/ArrowfieldStud/status/1327481075518504960?s=19%20" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/ArrowfieldStud/status/1327481075518504960?s=19

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 4:57pm
Very sad. Fitting that Carif won the Sandown Cup today for Norzita

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 5:20pm
Hopefully they can find a wet nurse for Norzita's orphan foal sired by The Autumn Sun.


Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by Foxseal Foxseal wrote:

At the expense of sounding like djebel, it is beyond belief that connections would geld this stallion.

Hes a magnificent looking horse, with great blood lines & has just achieved his biggest race win.  Plenty of stayers dont hit their straps until they are 5 & 6 year olds.  The perfect example is Reckless, who as a 6yo stallion won the Adelaide, Sydney & Brisbane Cups in the one season and then went in to be a good bread & butter sire at stud.

Not sure Voyagers plan of keeping him going with a Persan style prep would work.  Ciaron Maher is a far superior trainer to the Snowdens 

Agree totally with your post Foxy.

If this horse was in the Maher/Eustace stable he would not get a three month spell, they would space the races and only run in races at 2400m+.

I also think the horse is better the Melbourne way of going.

I still say that a tick over run in the Bagot, then another 2400m and into the Adelaide Cup, and Andrew Ramsden gives him his chance to get to the better staying races next spring.

But I bet you any money in your pocket he is in the spelling paddock this week!    


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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 6:17pm
Don't these comments tend to bite you on the @rse at least once? LOL Connections should thank me regardless Wink
Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Or perhaps his own words in print? LOL
The only 'funding' coming from this horse will be to bookmakers/agensies/corporates kittys!



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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 6:33pm
Has a marvelous female family which possesses both sprinting and staying influences.  Can ideally see him standing in NZ provided he doesn't receive too many stout mares.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 6:41pm
Do people think he is capable of more on the track? Or has he reached his ceiling? He is a stakes winner at Listed level. Can he become a Group 1 winner? 

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 6:41pm
Or even a Group 2 winner?

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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 6:44pm
He could snag an Adelaide, Brisbane or Sydney Cup, so yes he could win a G1 or G2.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 6:54pm
Some may have noticed that Jamie Kah rode him far closer than have other riders.  Probably something to remember re his future career.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 7:00pm
I think Jamie Kah should be Carif's permanent rider.

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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 7:48pm

post-race veterinary examination identified the presence of blood at one nostril. Under the provisions of AR79(8) Carif will be required to undergo a satisfactory gallop of at least 1000 metres in the presence of a Steward before racing again.




Posted By: early4lunch
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2020 at 4:38pm
Gear Change,--nuts off!


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2020 at 5:38pm
Believe it or not this is one horse I have said should be castrated.

Wonder why they waited till after his best win to do so ?

PS, They'll kiss him up. 


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2020 at 5:41pm
Has he fair dinkum been gelded?




Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2020 at 5:43pm
Apparently been booked in.

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Posted By: Good Old Ted
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 8:29am
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Apparently been booked in.

You should go with him - might settle you down a bit.  


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2020 at 9:22am
Is now 2 stone lighter.

Surely they must target the Adelaide, Sydney and perhaps even the Brisbane Cup (now it has been rightfully set back to 3200m) now?

Melbourne Cup is probably a bridge to far for him, so hopefully they don't waste the opportunities in the autumn by specifically aiming at the one race. 


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2020 at 10:58am
He was one horse I always felt might need gelding yet I still need counselling. Angry

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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2021 at 7:04am
He trialled on March 15th, so what is happening with him?

Not in the TAB market for the Sydney Cup, maybe they are going to Brisbane?


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2021 at 1:05pm
Surely they'll go to the Brisbane Cup with him now it is back at 3200m.

JRA Plate over 2000m on April 24th looks a logical next start for him, the new Gold Coast Cup over 2400m on Hollindale day next, then Premiers Cup over 2400m at Doomben and the Brisbane Cup, if he can win that they might finally have him start on the first Tuesday.


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2021 at 3:43pm
Nominated for the JRA Plate this weekend at Randwick. 


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2021 at 3:48pm
Hope Carif can run well. 

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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 16 May 2021 at 10:09am
Common sense surely says he goes to the G3 Premiers Cup (2400m) at Eagle Farm on Saturday week en route to the Brisbane Cup, however they're just as likely to go to the Listed Lord Mayors Cup (2000m) at Rosehill this coming Saturday and then ponder where he should go next.


Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 16 May 2021 at 11:17am
Youd think the Snowdens would be smart enough to finally realise that his peak performances are all 2400m+.

So yes, the Premiers Cup at 2400m clearly stands out as the perfect stepping stone to the 3200m of the Brisbane Cup next month.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 16 May 2021 at 12:08pm
Isn't the G3 Premier's Cup at 2200m? Maybe it got a distance increase to 2400m?

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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 16 May 2021 at 12:28pm
Race 5 - PREMIER'S CUP (2400 METRES)

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 16 May 2021 at 12:38pm
Ok, no worries thanks for the clarification Shawy. The race must of got a distance increase starting this year. Some handy horses have won the Premier's Cup in recent times: Real Love - 2016, Precedence - 2013. The race has only been in existence since 2006.

Cheers,
Jamal.


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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 16 May 2021 at 1:20pm
The distance change was actually meant to come in for last seasons renewal before the covid forced reshuffle of the Brisbane carnival, obviously as part of the Brisbane Cup going back to the traditional distance, the Gold Coast Cup over 2400m was also created on May 8, hopefully in time that'll create a progression for stayers from the Sydney carnival via those two races to the Brisbane Cup, who knows, it may even see the Brisbane Cup return to Group 1 level in time.

Talk is they want to get the Qld Sires back to G1 level, and no doubt the big push is also on for the PJ O'Shea with the name change and purse rise but I'm sure they wouldn't mind the Brisbane Cup going back up as well.


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 10:50pm
The tit for tatting between kavg, Jamal & Afros adds nothing to thread interest, rather, it detracts from it, so continue & more will be hidden Unhappy


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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 29 May 2021 at 7:23pm
the horse threw it a way today.

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Posted By: Rhino
Date Posted: 29 May 2021 at 7:24pm
Thought it was home. Might have gone a tad early.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 May 2021 at 9:48pm
Gelding him has not helped. 

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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 30 May 2021 at 5:21pm
Good honest run yesterday & hell be in the mix for the Brisbane Cup.

But wouldnt want to back him to beat Rondinella.  Her run for 4th was a cracker Brisbane Cup trial.


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2021 at 9:49pm
D-day for him this week.  The gelding operation was done with the long term goal of the 2021 Melbourne Cup.  If he can't win the 2021 Brisbane Cup they may as well set their sights lower.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 4:53pm
Has 59kg in the Brisbane Cup. Seems like a big ask despite there only being 6 other runners in the race.

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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 3:30pm
Ran 2nd in Brisbane Cup. May have to aim lower in the spring. 

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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers


Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 8:55pm
Stuck on ok for a distant 2nd today.

Clearly big spring Cups are going to be a bit beyond the his talent level, aside from another Sandown Cup (or whatever theyll decide to call it?)

Hes racing honestly this campaign, so might as well press on to the Caloundra Cup &/or Grafton Cup this prep.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2021 at 10:32pm
Did Carif deserve do be top weight with 59kg? His only win at stakes level is the Listed Sandown Cup (3200m).

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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2021 at 3:53pm
Technically he was second top weight (on ratings) allowing for Rondenella having her 2KG allowance.

Given the record of all of the others, he deserved his allocated weight.

If he were any hope yesterday he should have put paid to that field, maybe if he had another go Tommy Berry would have tried to lead with him rather than take the sit, perhaps he was worried about the big weight and didn't want to over-exert him but all the same he still should have won if the Snowdens wraps on him were true.

If he were mine he'd be in a different yard come the spring and picking off some of the second and third tier staying races around the carnivals.


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2021 at 9:35pm
He resumes in the Cameron Handicap at Newcastle this Friday.

Not seen anything of the plans with him but it would be unlikely he would make the Bart Cummings field, maybe they'll have another go at a last chance saloon into the Melbourne Cup via the Hotham Hcp.



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