Constantinople
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Topic: Constantinople
Posted By: early4lunch
Subject: Constantinople
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 11:55am
| I just heard that Lindsay. Park have Garry Fennesy in UK looking after a Cups horse. If that's not a tip then I don't know what I'll post its name when I remember it. |
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 12:11pm
Someone better tell Garry the horse is in Werribee
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early4lunch wrote:Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 12:39pm
I thought I saw GF walking a horse at Werribee very recently. |
Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 1:19pm
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He was over there like a month ago. Been back in aus for a couple of weeks. The horse is already here |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 1:34pm
Could someone please tell me what horse this thread relates to & I'll edit the topic  ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 1:38pm
| 3rd post gay. Constantinople |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 12:13pm
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Luke Nolen has been removed as the rider of Melbourne Cup favourite Constantinople with Everest-winning jockey Glen Boss securing the mount. Nolen, who enjoyed an unblemished 22-win record aboard champion sprinting mare Black Caviar between 2009 and 2013, endured a luckless passage aboard Constantinople in Saturday’s $5m Stella Artois Caulfield Cup (2400m). Constantinople was the first Northern Hemisphere three-year-old to contest the Caulfield Cup and finished an eye-catching fourth after jumping slowly and then finding interference approaching the home turn and early in the straight. "He was terrific," Nolen said post-race. "It was a muddling-run race and with a big-striding horse, that was probably against us from an inside draw. "We can look at the silver lining, he doesn’t get a penalty for the Melbourne Cup and Flemington will suit." It's understood the decision to part company with Nolen and use Boss has been inspired by the ownership group. Coolmore retained a quarter-share in Constantinople when he transferred from Aidan O’Brien to Lindsay Park Racing. Boss guided the Coolmore part-owned three-year-old colt Yes Yes Yes to victory in Saturday’s $14m Everest (1200m) at Randwick. He has also ridden many horses for Constantinople’s part-owner Scott Perrin, the pair sharing a healthy friendship. Constantinople will carry 52.5kg in the Melbourne Cup and Boss, a natural lightweight rider, will have no trouble making the weight. Tom Dabernig, who trains Constantinople in partnership with David and Ben Hayes, described his Caulfield Cup effort as ‘brilliant’. "I think he'll be a lot more suited with the bigger track at Flemington,” Dabernig said. "We bought him as a Melbourne Cup horse. Pulling up he wouldn't have blown a candle out. "He's still a big baby, he's only three and he'll get better with racing." |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 2:36pm
Watching the business channel this morning ( nothing better to do  ) a Mr. T.G. Wormer mentioned as being in the new ownership of this horse has just had a " golden handshake" from CH.7 of $ 250 Mill. fair dinkum it follows them around doesn't it.?
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 2:56pm
Bit of overreach there bring dec. point back a little $ 2-5 mill. 
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 5:22pm
Wasn't he the bloke squaring off against James Packer while still in his undies?... or is he the one that 'resigned' before the #metoo movement could nail him?
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 5:24pm
| He’s the one that was having close relationships with his female staff. Allegedly |
Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 6:21pm
| No need for the allegedly. Worner admitted to it and apologised. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 6:37pm
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True, that was one instance. More that were swept under the rug |
Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2019 at 9:21pm
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Bossy suspended today. Can’t ride in the Cup. Oh how wonderful Karma is  ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: Straight arrow
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2019 at 10:57pm
| Good. Horse might get it’s chance? Put Nolen back on |
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 10:32am
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Surprised they didn’t make an exemption, or hold it over until afterwards? They seem to be able to do that? Heard an example just recently but can’t recall the jockeys name. ------------- “Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined” |
Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 12:11pm
------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 12:14pm
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Because he is a dickeahd ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 1:45pm
Agree he is a total A-grader. Great big race rider though. |
Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 2:37pm
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Reported this morning that Moreira will ride in the cup if Boss out. |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 4:57pm
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If I was Boss I would start the suspension now - would that mean he's ok for the cup? - cos Kolding is not going to win Golden Eagle. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 6:49pm
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Moreira in Australia 🤮 Constantinople was as good a Cup trial as you’ll see in the CC, and should eat up the 3200 Flemington. Stable is going like a busted though. Already on, but getting less confident by the minute. |
Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 7:53pm
And you are a mutt ------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 8:25pm
The vomiting emoji is because of the cringeworthy “magic man” garbage we’ll have to listen to on TV as they fawn over him right?
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 8:44pm
| What’s his strike rate here like? Apparently he’s some total genius but I can’t remember him winning too much. Brazen Beau? Anything else? |
Posted By: Morgan$
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 9:55pm
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IIRC he rode Catchy to victory in Syd He almost broke my heart with Heartbreak City when I had my well earned on Almandin in 2016 Melb Cup. If I had a runner in the cup Moreira would be top of my list for the ride. |
Posted By: Lexawin
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2019 at 8:04am
| One of the best riders in the world...you guys need some help...If I had a runner he would be my first choice too...Class is permanent. |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2019 at 10:24pm
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Is he staying here in Aust? Or is David taking him to HK when he starts training up there again. A lot of the European commentators were doubting his capacity to run 3200m at this point in his career and were proven correct today with his mediocre 13th. Only start 10 today, so hopefully plenty of natural improvement to come. Will be very interesting to see how Lindsay Park manage him in 2020. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 6:43am
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Staying here. David bought them (cape of good hope) for the boys to train |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 8:45am
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Once the Aussie influence rubs off on these horses they quickly go backwards. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 8:52am
Why do they keep giving them to Kris Lees? That's one of the mysteries of the era.------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 12:49pm
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I think T that one of the senior members of the Australian Bloodstock group is a close friend of Lees. I like Kris as a trainer, but I agree, he is not a group 1 trainer, as his strike rate with the number of group 1 starters he has is not good. However saying that Mustajeer just had no chance with the lack of speed in that race yesetrday. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 1:39pm
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No one had the nous to put some pace into the race, Hunting Horn sits 3 wide with no cover and happy to be there , wtf, didn't mind being the bunny at home for the other six stablemates smoking the clay behind him, I'll bet he was told Not to lead yesty. there was only one jockey in that race yesterday that rode with initiative , Willo.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 4:22pm
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I think T that one of the senior members of the Australian Bloodstock group is a close friend of Lees. Yes.
------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2020 at 2:42pm
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Not sure if he’s been to the trials yet, but remember reading something about him resuming in the St George Stks 1800m - which is only 3 weeks away. I’d assume the Aust Cup & Tancred Stks would be on the agenda after that. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 2:41pm
| Trials at Wodonga T1 on Tuesday |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 12:19pm
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I know he was blowing out the cobwebs in the St George Stks yesterday & it was hard to make up ground, but watching the replay that was a very pedestrian effort running last beaten over 7 lengths. He’s still 2nd favourite for the Tancred Stks, but he’ll have to have to make massive improvement at his next start in the Aust Cup to be chance in the target races in Sydney. |
Posted By: speedingaway
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 12:34pm
| Apparently he pulled up lame after the race |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 12:36pm
Thanks speeding. Always pays to read the stewards report. |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2020 at 7:55pm
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Getting gelded. Any comments @Djebel?
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2020 at 8:00pm
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Will not help him. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2020 at 8:01pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2020 at 8:03pm
I do not know how much they pay for these horses from Ballydoyle but has anybody ever thought to set up a National Hunt in Victoria with these leftovers ?
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2020 at 9:53pm
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They’re setting it for a tilt at oakbank and Warrnambool. ------------- " In gambling the many must lose in order for the few to win" |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2020 at 9:59pm
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I recall reading before the Cups last year that David Hayes paid $3.0m for Constantinople & Cape of Good Hope as a pair. Too early to write them off completely, but on their autumn form it seems unlikely either really has much of a future on the track. |
Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 4:59am
Was it $3million including commissions?  ------------- Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house. |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 11:42am
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Ran 16th of 16 in the Heatherlie Hcp a couple of weeks ago. Now listed on Racing Aust website as Spelling - so Spring 2020 appears to have been aborted. Things have certainly gone downhill quickly for this expensive import
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 12:08pm
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Happens to the vast majority of them.
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 1:21pm
| Probably why it was on the market? why would you sell your car if it's running beautiful. |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2021 at 10:37pm
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Really not sure where connections go with this guy now? I noticed that Norway (another ex-Aiden OBrien stayer) is currently for sale on Inglis Digital after neither CJW or Pete Moody could spark him into form. Maybe Constantinople will pop up for sale shortly, or they could put him in a trial hurdle & see if hes adept at jumping.
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Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 9:44am
| What surprises me is just how plain bad some of these top G1/2 Euro types race over here. Many can't even win a mid week race. Constantinople would have cost a small fortune. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 1:01pm
You shouldn't be surprised Red Rancher , most that are sold have reached their mark and on the slide , their form may look good but remember something has to run 2nd or 3 rd in small fields , plus the fact there maybe a hidden internal problem or a suspensory that on the wane but 3 months in the paddock may hide it until the pressure goes on ( 6 months later ) Caveat Emptor mate , the Poms ain't mugs , anyone here improves Wallers
I sincerely doubt it. How Mugatoo slipped through that net is a damn mystery .  |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 03 May 2021 at 2:53pm
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Paid up for the Warrnambool Cup 55kg, 1kg off the minimum ------------- Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing |
Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 07 May 2021 at 12:36am
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Just watched the replay of the Bool Cup. Much improved effort from this horse today. Was posted 3-4 deep the trip & boxed on ok in the straight. Maybe there is a weak Saturday handicap race over the winter for him.
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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 15 May 2021 at 7:50pm
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8th of 9 beaten 38 lengths today. After that Caulfield Cup 4th in 2019, hes been a real bust for connections. The Hayes stable have rejuvenated Valac by sending him jumping. Think that might be the only racing future for Constantinople too. |
Posted By: Rhino
Date Posted: 15 May 2021 at 9:25pm
| Think the horse is cooked LH. The tactics today looked like a desperate attempt at finding something that is no longer there - desire to be a race horse. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 May 2021 at 10:05pm
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Wouldn't surprise to find him on Inglis Digital next week. ------------- Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 May 2021 at 10:08pm
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Alternatively, could he be sent West? Similar to what the stable did with Neufbosc last year. May rejuvenate him, may not. ------------- Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 2:14pm
He is for sale unreserved.Description5 year old gelding by Galileo who is a stakes winner in the UK and finished 4th in the 2019 Caulfield Cup. He underwent a tie back surgery in March 2020. He is approximately 17 hands high ad went to the paddock sound following his latest run. As per Lindsay Park Racing policy, this horse is offered under the rules of usual public auction. Veterinary records remain the property of Lindsay Park Racing. If you wish to organise an independent veterinary assessment, please contact Dom Rhoden on 0400 680 865 ------------- Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 2:29pm
| Secret vet records must do wonders for the buyer confidence. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 3:58pm
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There is something very very wrong with that Lindsay Park policy.
The medical records of all horses should be part of their passport. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 4:08pm
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Absolutely.. What are they hiding? ------------- Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 4:23pm
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And who would buy a horse with this one,s history without seeing the records ???? ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: anabel
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2021 at 4:48pm
| All of their horses for sale have this same vet clause. Ive always found it extremely dodgy. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 3:13pm
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Sold to Aaron Purcell at the 'bool for 70k ------------- Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 3:28pm
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It's jumps time ------------- Time is a flat circle |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2021 at 9:58pm
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Warrnambool-based trainer Aaron Purcell says he is going to go right back to basics after buying one-time Melbourne Cup favourite Constantinople. The former import, who ran fourth in the 2019 Caulfield Cup for Lindsay Park, was knocked down to Purcell for $70,000 at this month's Inglis Digital sale. The five-year-old has failed to hit those 2019 heights, and has battled injuries, with his most recent outing a 38.4-length defeat in the Listed Andrew Ramsden last month. Purcell said he is hopeful the change of scenery will help spark Constantinople. "He is a high-class horse that has obviously lost his way for a few different reasons, I have been told," Purcell said. "We will just work on them, try and get him going again and work out where we are. There's no plans. "Obviously he had big expectations early on and they have disappeared now. So we can poke along and do things without much pressure and run him when he is ready. "We will get him going and then work a plan out and readjust that plan as we go. "It's good to have good horses in the stable and hopefully we can get him back to form and win a decent race." ------------- Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2021 at 10:27pm
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The basics ?
Does that mean the fortnightly ritual 1000m 1200m 1400m 1600m 2000m 2400m 3200m ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2021 at 10:44pm
Aaron Purcell is not a cookie cutter trainer. Thinks outside the square & can get the best out of stamina horses. His CV does include most of the major marathon jumps races too, which is testament to this. Hes had quite a few imports over the years, generally C-graders but still gets them winning at their grade. So will be fascinating to see if he can resurrect Constantinople.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2021 at 11:10pm
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He often starts their racing prep with starts over a mile or so too ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2021 at 12:13am
| AP goes alright and a good horseman to boot , just a curiosity question , was this horse a N/H 3/yo when he ran in the Melbourne cup ? if so that would make about 8-10 n/h 3/yo since those 3 lollipops went like Oakleigh Plate horses about 10 years ago and finished a furlong or two behind the winner , then shot thru like a Bondi tram with the trainer the same night and not a word said , they take this race too casual for the young ones no matter what they've done back home , btw any news on Tiger Moth.? |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2021 at 10:27am
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Tiger Moth goes around in the Gold Cup next week at the Royal meeting.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2021 at 12:31pm
| Thanks , I watched his first up run with the jockey easing him up in the last 200 though he may have had a problem. |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2021 at 5:09pm
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Ive never backed him but he was a bit better today on the bog. His first run on it. Badly held up from before the turn. Should have run 3rd??.
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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2021 at 1:39pm
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Anyone think he might be able to get into the placings today in R4 at Flemington? Its the weakest race hes contested since being in Aust & hes only been getting beaten 7-8 lens by good horses like Smokin Romans, Wentwood, Duais, etc in recent runs. Lazy gold coin the place today.
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Posted By: deejays destiny
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2021 at 2:18pm
| If he doesnt measure up today he should be retired. |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2021 at 3:16pm
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My main bet in the race was the appalling Saracen Knight. But certainly satisfying to have a little collect on the much maligned Constantinople. I know it wasnt a strong race but Aaron would have to give him a crack at the Bagot Hcp 2800m on New Years Day. Anyway, good work today Connie
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2021 at 3:20pm
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Nicely done LH , with your gold coin , hope he stays sound.
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2021 at 3:37pm
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might be a horse to set for the May carnival. ------------- Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing |
Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2021 at 7:01pm
| The horse raced like he looked. He was an absolute picture in the mounting yard. I was there & was impressed. All credit to the training establishment |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 05 May 2022 at 11:40pm
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Toughed it out for 3rd today in the Bool Cup. Interestingly that was his first black type placing since running 2nd to Logician in the G2 Great Voltigeur at York in 2019! Although he trialled over the hurdles last month, there might just be another flat win for him over the winter before he goes jumping.
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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:29pm
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I was on course yesterday for his hurdle debut & he certainly had the crowd thrilled tearing away down the hill before getting run down late by Blandford Lad. Having now watched the replay, he certainly put in a few sticky leaps and jumped the last like a cat. So room for improvement for sure. But overall a more than satisfactory debut & brought along patiently he should have a good career as a hurdler.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 10:50pm
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Suspect they would have fun with him if they sent him steeple chasing. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2022 at 9:59pm
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Geez Aaron Purcell has got ‘Connie’ in tip top order. Another really good run for 3rd placing in R1 at Flemington. Whilst a return to the hurdles is in his future, I’d seriously think about the Flemington 1849 Cup over 2800m next month. It’s a $150k race in mid July, and he can then look to pick off a hurdle in August.
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