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Topic: Alligator Blood
Posted By: Shawy38
Subject: Alligator Blood
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 3:07pm
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Just keeps raising the bar. Looking forward to following him progress and you would think he will be better next prep too. |
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Posted By: Heavenly Glow
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 4:54pm
| Nice horse. Nothing behind him today beats him in the Guineas, so he is the logical fav for mine. Did it pretty easy today. Had a bit on that lot. |
Posted By: Discohips23
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 5:20pm
I must have watched a different race. He had 3 1/2 lengths on Dalasan at the top of the straight and beat him by 3/4 of a length. I know who the logical fav will be come the Guineas. |
Heavenly Glow wrote:Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 5:28pm
As an aside, just great to see a really nice bloke like Ryan Maloney turn it around big-time in more ways than one.  |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2019 at 5:37pm
Agree Dalassan should be favourite - but Alligator Blood will have a lot more improvement to come, only 2nd up today after over a month since his first run. Dalassan had the fitness edge on him today.
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Posted By: correctweight
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2019 at 2:31pm
| he was third up and will be fourth up in the guineas |
Posted By: Kingy
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2019 at 6:38pm
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Had him anchor quite a few legs on Saturday and didn't think we'd get $4, let along $5.80. I do like this guy and GROUNDSWELL for the Guineas.
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2019 at 1:59am
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Kingy, just a word of warning. The Caulfield Guineas winner has not done the double since Helmet in 2011. This pattern is very significant because every prelude winner has run, but has been unable to do the double. A couple have placed but it is not a good record for the winners of the prelude. It seems that since its switch the Stan Fox has become a good guide along with the Stutt Stakes, but again not the winner. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: sunlinesusie
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2019 at 4:36pm
| He looked good on the weekend, very impressive. I look forward to following his progress through the spring. A very nice Queenslander. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2019 at 5:05pm
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Marvelous female family and great up top too. Pedigree suggests 1600m absolute tops and believe he might find the last 200m of the Guineas a hard ask. Only time will tell.
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Posted By: jimbob04
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2019 at 5:18pm
does look great cant wait for next run 
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Posted By: starcraft
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2019 at 8:37pm
One for the believers |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 3:14pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: sunlinesusie
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 3:24pm
All Too Hard has his star now, and he is a star. What can he do in the autumn 
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 3:33pm
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Marvelous horse, marvelous result. His sire line is line-bred to Last Tycoon and Rolls, his dam line similarly to Last Tycoon and Rolls. The latter being the dam and grand-dam of outstanding racehorses and sires Flying Spur and Encosta De Lago respectively.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 7:11pm
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Huge win today, after all the pre race dramas. He went past them like they were standing still . Is great to see All Too Hard get a good one , shame he is a gelding tho. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 8:02pm
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I disagree AA, I think its a great thing that he’s a gelding! Look forward to seeing him competing in all the major 1400-1600m races over the next 3 or 4 years. If he were a colt, he’d likely have a handful more starts to get a G1 win in the autumn & be at stud as a spring 4yo. |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 8:15pm
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If we get Catalyst, Alligator Blood an Super Seth at Flemington, what a race. Very talented galloper, now the trainer needs to decide whether they keep going or he gives him a break. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 11:01am
Yes, that too, from a racing perspective. Just saying it would be nice for ATH to have a good sire son to carry on the line. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 11:22am
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He was outstanding, taking into account the delay and the heat he would have endured in the truck, plus the stress of it all. I must say I didn't give him much hope of finishing the race like he did. A Champ in the making. me thinks....
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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 11:57am
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Didn't beat much yesterday, but did it easily, and as mentioned, after the hiccup ... what a record, he just keeps winning ... got a bit out of the race, standing him with the tri and F4, the only thing I thought could get close was scratched. ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 10:22am
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http://readnow.isentia.com/Temp/51152097/1232579466.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://readnow.isentia.com/Temp/51152097/1232579466.pdf ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: marble
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 2:13pm
| great story Djebel - all the more reason to go for him in the all star! |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 12:52pm
| My favourite horse does it again |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 12:55pm
| Fair dinkum two-horse war and a huge race to watch. |
Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 1:56pm
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Nothing better than a tough two-horse war. That was very exciting & thrilling the way AB stretched his neck out close to the line. And the big bonus is they’re both geldings, so hopefully racing fans get to see these 2 clashing for many seasons to come! |
Posted By: Pardon_My_Dust
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 2:23pm
| Interesting the NZ horse looked to be travelling far the better but the Blood just would not let him get past him. Going to be an amazing horse hopefully he stays sound. |
Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 2:51pm
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Jmac fined excessive use of whip Never ending |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 2:56pm
| Given the excessive whip use, would the stewards have protested on behalf of Alligator Blood connections had Catalyst got up? |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 2:59pm
| You’d think so but who knows |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 3:01pm
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And we would've found out if the stewards actually had balls.
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Posted By: Pardon_My_Dust
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 3:43pm
| If the stewards protest it usually means it's an automatic upheld doesn't it? Cant remember seeing a stewards protest not being upheld. |
Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 3:46pm
The stewards will have to uphold protests if they wish to stop the excessive whip rule,the jocks have had enough warnings. Lose a $million dollar race because of excessive use isn’t going to make the offending jock any friends |
Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 5:28pm
And luckily for us connections of both horses have turned down huge offers... Not blaming other owners for taking the money but our racing would be so much better if a few more were kept here.
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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 8:40pm
| Look at the race again & consider whether barrier 1 & 1KG less became a factor in the last 50 metres when the NZ horse could not quite sustain his challenge |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 5:03am
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What are the anti inflammatories he receives after every race ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 6:22am
Favourite in the Mile - won't win - lay him now - easy money - going to the well once too often.------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 6:49am
| If he were mine, I'd send him for a break now and consider the Kingsford Smith-stradbroke double at home, the All Aged at the of Sydney carnival and/or the Doomben 10k could also come into consideration depending on how he is going. |
Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 7:03am
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Madness to run him again this prep He has done enough. |
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 7:12am
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Do they love, love ,love the horse (as reported) Or do they just love, love, love the money he’s pulling in? Humans keep disappointing me, I wish he was mine. ------------- “Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined” |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 8:07am
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The race shape is a new challenge for him, that might bring him undone. I doubt he loses cause they are going to the well once too often. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 9:11am
Bute used to be the routine treatment post race just to settle eveything down asap but given it's safe 9 day withdrawal, may well have been replaced, especially if testing now finds it for longer than the previously stated 9 days. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 9:15am
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From the Vandyke thread: "Great i/view too with the owner on Talking Horses/Jo McKinnon in which the family has gone thru' 20years of hell & his wife now with stage 4 (I think?) bowel cancer + liver + blood  so the latest 3.2mill offer was never an option.He selects his yearlings by singing Sinatra songs & watching for reactions 
but in the case of AB, was checking out the next door yearling.
However, this elicited no response from the target whilst AB gave all
the animated signs he looks for so $55k later..........!The name is from a poker term loosely meaning 'never give up' & refers to the last 20 years of stress (took on the govt. & won) I think that's about it & I loved the insight." "The owner said he would not be going anywhere, no matter how much is offered.
He's part of the family who are also involved in equestrian activities, which is what he'll be doing post racing." FB Update: https://www.facebook.com/VandykeRacing/?__tn__=kCH-R&eid=ARCrFbfI-KO5lFVcm0cg1DcBHKAlapuBLUW5_NlCZ7DuD8VvTYmky7TOiUDgafoTsbgrY3YdlZUXQeKP&hc_ref=ARSv7f9pIngWmTlnKBfS8BeCSqMR57fB1olk7WpOy2GoUCnQQtp3g1bCzTp-sVsMQ20&fref=nf&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARBcNL3aF8izt3zQz2fg6hI6x0stSb5GaaXKkQcKIRgH6p-29NPsrpyuV33Qtrr_dc5DaWT0kiZ2eLt33DbXAGbHdL_dTANXlIDmrQiHOrGfDk4tO7xptHNyRCDB-qM5lgksBP318q20F8cww22GjEdYahxPzf88c6FcVt3WWNRS_RvqBcBWZc4Ip-ZQ4r7uDN4zN09iiz2QSwiWKKWliDtbs82YLWxG0g_9NJde3_Uer2Bn6ijaPTCPBd7Qguyo8nF24B4UWSB_38YlU9aZLhjznx2bLY-53CHPylzXwHabCOSXIg5claM59YdtZ603a3Faw99U6hwSILPu7eDC8to3NwZXOXATIFj4UD1VdyTNeQTdMA" rel="nofollow - Vandyke Racing https://www.facebook.com/VandykeRacing/photos/a.434951049940178/2323016214466976/?type=3&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARBcNL3aF8izt3zQz2fg6hI6x0stSb5GaaXKkQcKIRgH6p-29NPsrpyuV33Qtrr_dc5DaWT0kiZ2eLt33DbXAGbHdL_dTANXlIDmrQiHOrGfDk4tO7xptHNyRCDB-qM5lgksBP318q20F8cww22GjEdYahxPzf88c6FcVt3WWNRS_RvqBcBWZc4Ip-ZQ4r7uDN4zN09iiz2QSwiWKKWliDtbs82YLWxG0g_9NJde3_Uer2Bn6ijaPTCPBd7Qguyo8nF24B4UWSB_38YlU9aZLhjznx2bLY-53CHPylzXwHabCOSXIg5claM59YdtZ603a3Faw99U6hwSILPu7eDC8to3NwZXOXATIFj4UD1VdyTNeQTdMA&__tn__=H-R" rel="nofollow - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - He did some ridden work this morning and his track rider, Aaron Mitchell, said his action felt normal. Emma Lehmann, Alligator Blood’s strapper, was very happy with his mental attitude in the stable and at the track. We will treat him during this week with his regular practitioners (chiropractors, physios, etc.) and we are confident to have him in pristine condition for the All Star Mile. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 9:22am
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How Quirky, Any songs in particular, I'd like to give it a try!!!
Sinatra from memory but that stops short at the specific one  |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 9:35am
Or a spot of ketorolac  ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 5:05pm
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https://www.afr.com/world/paradise-papers-the-cook-islands-millionaire-who-never-has-to-pay-his-debts-20180322-h0xuln" rel="nofollow - https://www.afr.com/world/paradise-papers-the-cook-islands-millionaire-who-never-has-to-pay-his-debts-20180322-h0xuln Paywalled
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 5:53pm
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Bugger I am on the wrong device to copy and paste. It is not a good article about the owner. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 5:56pm
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Albury’s favourite son Allan Endresz is bankrupt again . . . but not to worry, he’s got it on appeal (again). In the meantime he wants to tell you about a racehorse. Alligator Blood is a two-year-old with a rocket-like finish, and a clean leg action that might be modelled on Almost Bankrupt Allan’s own form when chased by pesky creditors. And now he’s discovered blockchain. Allan, who is serving out a 14-year ban as a director, is still being pursued by ASIC and the government over a trail of $8.725 million in missing funds from 1998 that Endresz has always made clear he never knew had been embezzled. Criminal charges against him were dismissed. Yes, his company did end up with the money, but he was the victim here, which is why he spent years suing the government for $4.3 billion compensation. A couple of times in the 21-year pursuit it looked like ASIC and Treasury had finally bankrupted him, only for him to appeal or to open a new legal front that forced bankruptcy proceedings to be suspended. On March 15 this year Justice Geoffrey Flick made a sequestration order against Endresz for $18.6 million in the ACT Federal Court. Naturally he appealed on April 5, putting himself back in play. Almost all of his assets are subject to court freezing orders, but a man’s still got to live. The Paradise Papers showed that in a three-month period he spent more than $100,000 on betting and gaming venues, even while he doesn’t own anything. Everything he has is held on trust for a mysterious offshore beneficiary, while he himself, the poor bloke, has nothing. It’s easy to misunderstand these finer points. Documents from the Paradise Papers showed that he was telling the Capital Security Bank in Rarotonga that he had $50 million of assets in Australia, and he was the owner. He had an international money transfer business called Ezybonds that came to grief with some unhappy former clients saying some harsh things. The website is “currently offline for extended maintenance”, it says. But that’s in the past. Now, apart from spruiking the Ezy No. 1 horseracing syndicate that owns Alligator Blood, Allan is working on an exciting new application called Zukaz, with a payment system involving Zucoins, an “augmented reality backed cryptocurrency token”. Merchants just need to put their faith in an almost-bankrupt who is currently banned from directorships, using an opaque offshore structure, and who says he can’t be held responsible for any debt because it’s not his money. It’s a matter of trust. “It’s Bitcoin on steroids — without the problems,” he says. Maybe not for everyone. The picture of Allan on steroids is . . . troubling. Correction: An earlier version of this story described Mr Endresz as a former insider trader. In fact in 1993 Endresz was convicted of eight counts of price manipulation, market rigging and making a false statement to the ASX, over a $560,000 trade of 4 million Emu Hill Gold shares between two companies he controlled, which lifted the market price by 40 per cent. He was fined approximately $13,000.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 6:57pm
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Is he a higher class Peter Foster ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 7:37am
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Is he the singer? ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 11:05am
Yeah, half of foster and Allen. 
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 3:04pm
| https://www.racenet.com.au/news/alligator-blood-returns-irregularity-to-prohibited-substance-20200318" rel="nofollow - https://www.racenet.com.au/news/alligator-blood-returns-irregularity-to-prohibited-substance-20200318 |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 3:08pm
| wow |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 3:10pm
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Well that's huge news. |
Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 3:24pm
| So much at stake if it is right, Feed mix up to blame no doubt. |
Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 3:34pm
| leopards don’t seem to change their spots..... |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 3:37pm
| Probably a rogue stablehand. All trainers are good boys and girls. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 3:37pm
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Would prefer to wait until results of swabs from the horse's more recent starts become available before commenting further. |
Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 3:59pm
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But DVD is a horse whisperer. The myth might be a fake ------------- Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 4:27pm
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https://www.racenet.com.au/news/journalist/ben-dorries" rel="nofollow -
Alligator Blood - one of Australia's headline horses - has returned an irregularity to a prohibited substance after the preliminary analysis of a sample taken after one of his biggest wins. The prohibited substance was altrenogest which has in the past been commonly used to control the reproductive cycle of mares but it is banned in colts and geldings. However in Victoria and Queensland, trainers have been warned off even using altrenogest on fillies and mares because it contains detectable levels of both trendione and trenbolone (a banned steroid). While the substance is known a hormone treatment, it can be used to calm an unruly male horse. Gelding Alligator Blood allegedly returned the irregular test after one of the biggest wins of his career, in the $2m https://www.racenet.com.au/tracks/qld/gold-coast" rel="nofollow - Gold Coast Magic Millions Guineas in January. It was the day where Alligator Blood was on a float for four hours on the way to the Gold Coast after being one of several horses stuck on Queensland's M1 motorway after a fuel tanker rollover. Queensland Racing Integrity Commissioner Ross Barnett told Racenet that, regardless about the debate of the use of altrenogest on fillies and mares, the use of the substance on colts and geldings had always been banned. A statement released by QRIC read: " https://www.racenet.com.au/tracks/qld/sunshine-coast" rel="nofollow - Sunshine Coast Trainer https://www.racenet.com.au/trainer/david-vandyke" rel="nofollow - David Vandyke has today been informed that after preliminary analysis, a post-race sample taken from thoroughbred gelding Alligator Blood after it won the Magic Millions Three Year Old Guineas at the Gold Coast on 11 January 2020, has shown an irregularity to the prohibited substance altrenogest. "Queensland Racing Integrity Commission (QRIC) Stewards informed Mr Vandyke that the sample has been sent for confirmatory testing at an interstate laboratory." Racenet contacted Vandyke for comment on the matter and he sent through a pre-prepared statement which read: "I was informed today that Alligator Blood has returned an irregularity to altrenogest after his win on 11 January at the Gold Coast," Vandyke said. "There is a B sample under review. "Altrenogest is a drug that has never been used to my knowledge on Alligator Blood or any male horse in our stable. "It is used in our stable under the brand name Ovumate and is given to some female horses under our care with accurate records kep surrounding administration. "Those records have been given to QRIC. "We are in the process of reviewing our security and stable management. "There will be no further comment as we await the result of the B sample." Alligator Blood has won 10 from 12 races with his only defeats being a narrow runner-up finish in last year's Group I https://www.racenet.com.au/group-one-races/caulfield-guineas" rel="nofollow - Caulfield Guineas and when finishing 10th as the $2.80 favourite in the All-Star Mile last Saturday. Earlier this autumn, he won his first Melbourne race in an epic battle against Kiwi Catalyst down the straight in the CS Hayes Stakes before claiming his first Group I win in the https://www.racenet.com.au/group-one-races/australian-guineas" rel="nofollow - Australian Guineas . Vandyke and owner Allan Endresz have taken the public along for the ride with their horse - doing countless media promotions and interviews in the lead-up to the All-Star Mile. Endresz, whose wife Joy is dying of cancer, had threatened to scratch Alligator Blood from the All-Star Mile last Friday when officials enforced a fan and owner lockout at https://www.racenet.com.au/tracks/vic/caulfield" rel="nofollow - Caulfield due to coronavirus concerns. But the Melbourne Racing Club organised a nearby function room for the Alligator Blood team to watch the All-Star Mile and the threat to scratch the star galloper was withdrawn. Alligator Blood is now spelling with connections planning to target a rich payday in the Sydney spring in the $15m https://www.racenet.com.au/the-everest" rel="nofollow - The Everest and the $7.5m Golden Eagle. A QRIC spokesperson said officials had arrived at Vandyke's Sunshine Coast stable on Wednesday to inform him of the prohibited substance irregularity but that was a routine practice in such circumstances. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Mr Grieves
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 4:38pm
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The owner has posted on twitter that he thinks AB was nobbled like Phar Lap |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 4:40pm
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A little awkward as altrenogest is banned in every state bar NSW. What exactly is he doing giving it to his mares? ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 8:07pm
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Cheating plain and simple Throw the book at him ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: monty1
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 8:14pm
The owner is delusional.
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Posted By: saintly96
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 9:17pm
| Alligator Blood is transitioning to a mare, nothing to see here. |
Posted By: Kimberley Mine
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 1:04am
| Depends on the results of the B sample and how much of the substance was detected. I'm leaning more towards a feed mixup / not using a clean feed bin over malice. The level of potential performance-enhancing hormones of metabolized altroenogest is really low, and if we're talking trace levels it's most likely a screw-up. |
Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 5:02am
| Of course it's a 'stuff up'', or a deliberate act by a disgruntled stablehand, as Dr Geoff Chapman used to say, you can't ever see into the mind of a rogue strapper and you can't stand guard 24/7! |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 6:24am
It is not put into feed. In fact people of breeding age are advised to not even get it on their skin. It also can no longer be used outside NSW ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 7:13am
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Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 7:15am
| Yes it can go in the feed Linghi, read the Paulickreport, from experience we used it via a syringe down the throat, but now it can go in the feed. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 7:32am
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JUST BAN REGUMATE FULL STOP! ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 7:34am
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To me, this is just more evidence of Australian trainers being cheap. Some of these nasty horses probably need more then one person to handle them. The Japanese and European trainers use two strappers to handle their colts rather than geld them. Our people just use regumate. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 8:20am
| Leads to increased costs djebel, might be able to be absorbed by Godolphin, Waller or Maher but the smaller stables would be less able. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 9:23am
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Most of Wallers walk around the mounting yard in a robotic trance, so how do you account for that.
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Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 10:07am
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Better that than using poly pipe and a couple of AAA batteries ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: brave_ponies
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 10:53am
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What KM said. We'll wait and see. However, simce the news came out, I've been stumped on this fact: AB is a gelding. Even if he is a bit colty still, I can't fathom how this drug could possibly enhance his performance. Over to you experts... Re: Xavier: Whatever floats your boat
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 1:00pm
15 acceptors for the Mornington Cup, of them 11 are imports , 1 a 9y/o bull from Japan who hasn't won since 2017, 10 are geldings from U.K. or EU. 4 are locals , we won't count them as we geld them irrespective of bloodline , its NSW racings fault if trainers are using loophole, Mr Peters likes the idea too.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 1:20pm
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Yes, djebel, of course the Japanese far prefer entires. They don't need to find a home for them after racing, FOC, & the abattoirs pay top dollar for lean horse meat, one of their favourite dishes. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 5:24pm
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At the end of the day,he has history accidentally or deliberately administered Time to learn another lesson. 12 months |
Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 6:00pm
The Ferdinand story is one of racing's saddest and controversial as his demise and disgraceful end proved the ruthlessness and cruelness of the Japanese trainers/owners/breeders.. They revere their champion horses, but the vast majority end up on plates in restaurants, I know it happens, but as I spent a lot of time in Japan with our travel business, I got to know or learn rather, that the huge crowds they attract have little knowledge of the sad end awaiting the majority of horses up there. They are so far removed from reality, they gat caught in the moment, in fact I feel sorry for them, as they as a people, love animals, they animate them, it's hard to explain, but racing people are far different than the racing public......
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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 8:39pm
| Where is ULURU these days ? He always had an opinion to give on these matters. Is he still in the industry or does his engine have energy issues? |
Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 2:46am
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It is always difficult for a trainer who has previously been charged and disqualified for serious drug charges, to be presumed innocent. Maybe his self promoted claim as a horse whisperer is nothing more then a charade, or maybe horses really do talk to him. Time will tell but his strike rate seems too good to be true. If it walks like a duck? ------------- Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house. |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 7:40am
Anything CAN go in the feed, but why risk it? Horse doesn’t eat up, it’s wasted. Females washing out feedbins come in contact with it? Uneaten feed cannot be repurposed? If you’re going to use a banned substance, why in the world would you put it in feed? But all of this is a moot point as he should not have been in possession of it at all unless he was in NSW or had some broodmares prone to slipping in the stable. ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 8:11am
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We are far too lax on drugs in racing in Australia. The fact so many of these banned substances are allowed during training provided they are out of the system by raceday is a big problem. Lasix should be banned completely. That would bring our biggest stable to its knees. We have to stop pretending racing is a poor mans game. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 9:01am
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At the prices they pay today I don't think many would say it's a " poor mans game", even more so what there paying for some of these o/s dromedaries.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 9:09am
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I must agree with the lasix ban though, a number of times I've seen a horse stretch out behind the barriers and have a stale , it is a little obvious methinks.
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 9:23am
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Lasix is a masking agent. It should be banned from use in training ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 9:28am
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Agree re the use of Lasix. Should be banned ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 11:07am
| Allan Endresz has become the new Ben Currie. His tweets/tweet replies are a fantastic read |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 12:05pm
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How fast does Altrenogest work? Would it, or similar, be in a float driver's 'first aid' kit? I mean, if I go out bush with the dog and he gets bitten by a snake, if I'm not carrying a shot of vitamin c, then I haven't taken all precautions. Obviously, the horse would need to be scratched from whatever race he was heading to, but at least he's not doing himself a mischief in the float.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 12:12pm
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In any case, the timing of the charges is impeccable. In the 'power' vacuum created from the great mare's retirement, Alligator Blood was quickly crowned as the People's Champ and held the position for the best part of 12 months... then the people realised what a grub his owner is. Like COVID-19 arriving at the planet's point of no return, the universe is good like that.
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 12:13pm
| First I've heard of Vitamin C being a remedy for snakebite. |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 12:37pm
NO!! That is what ACE is for. It is in no one’s first aid kit, it’s a steroid. Over weeks or months of use it could quieten the said horse and make him eat more and potentially have a positive effect on muscle mass. ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 3:06pm
It's not a remedy, but it will buy you some time.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 3:07pm
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Posted By: brave_ponies
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 4:52pm
| Thanks for explanations linghi. Can see why it might be used. |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 5:12pm
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Yes bp, we can all see why steroids are a greatly helpful idea- but they are banned for that very reason. In fact, a few think that our recent supermares were delivered to us by Altrenogest ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 5:16pm
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Used over weeks or months it would become inherent in the horse's metabolism. A thus display in any number swabs, remembering the gelding has been tested at least twice in Victoria.
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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 5:17pm
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Carioca what do you mean by 'stale' behind barriers or was it a typo? ------------- Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance. DiEM25 for the world. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 5:23pm
It was a term my boss used when I was first apprenticed , mainly when he first arrived at the races, have heard it many times since in stable talk, just a release of urine fwiw. |