Everest 2019
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Topic: Everest 2019
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Subject: Everest 2019
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 1:34pm
You can tell how weak it's going to be by looking at the market. Professional G1 loser Osborne Bulls second favourite.
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 2:27pm
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If it’s a Wet track I’ll be backing Redzel
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 2:36pm
Are there any exciting 4yo sprinters in Australia?
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 2:51pm
Well I'd be more than happy to own any one of Sunlight, Classique Legend, Pierata or Arcadia Queen 
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 2:55pm
Tlazolteotl wrote:
Are there any exciting 4yo sprinters in Australia? | Get out in the garden and sniff the roses you troll, beats lying on the couch.
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 5:30pm
Osborne Bulls will get one one day, but his racing style means everything must go right for him.
If the track is dry, and everything is equal, Santa Ana Lane is the best horse in the race!
I am stunned the two west aussie gallopers have got a slot this early, but each to their own!
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Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 6:01pm
I’m stunned that effectively, there is only 1 slot remaining this far out.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 10:08pm
Everest runner bypasses trial
One of Australia’s most promising sprinters, Classique Legend, will not appear at the Randwick trials on Monday morning.
Carmel Size, who manages the racing interests of Hong Kong-based
owner Boniface Ho, tweeted on Sunday morning that the gelded son of Not a
Single Doubt would remain ‘at home’ tomorrow rather than gallop over
900 metres against the likes of Sunlight, Tenley and Prince Fawaz.
For the Classique Legend fans, just to let you
know he will not be trialling on Monday. He had a slight nasal discharge
this morning -nothing serious but we are erring on the side of caution
and will keep him at home. Horse is coming up a treat. https://twitter.com/hashtag/HorseComesFirst?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - #HorseComesFirst https://twitter.com/hashtag/Legend?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - #Legend https://t.co/bqnyUdxEI3" rel="nofollow - pic.twitter.com/bqnyUdxEI3
— Carmel...size (@carmelsize) https://twitter.com/carmelsize/status/1160360155403317248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - August 11, 2019
The Les Bridge-trained Classique Legend has raced four times for
three wins with prizemoney of $773,500. He claimed the G2 Arrowfield 3YO
Sprint (1200m) at his most recent start on April 13 at Randwick.
Connections of Classique Legend purchased GPI Racing’s vacated
Everest slot in May, ensuring their star sprinter would be prepared for
the $14m 1200-metre contest at Randwick on October 19.
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Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 9:33am
rusty nails wrote:
I’m stunned that effectively, there is only 1 slot remaining this far out.
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Same happened last year, it's a marketing ploy in my opinion to have slot holders declare there 'likely' hand and create continual headlines.
However, as happened last year, the race makeup changed quickly in the last week or so. Nature Strip was dumped, Home of the Brave got a slot, and lost the slot, Osborne Bulls picked up that slot, Viddora got the remaining AJC slot etc... things can and will change.
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Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 12:29pm
Osborne Bulls will run 2nd
The new Tom Melbourne 2.0
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 7:42pm
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Well I reckon a 4yo will come out in early spring flying with big improvement - not one of the usual suspects like Sunlight - she's reached her level and is not going to surprise me. All the ones I see near the top of the market are standing still - they ain't going anywhere.
All I have to do is figure out who that will be and if it get a run.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 8:42pm
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Fwiw have no quibble whatsoever about one WA lock-in, and ok with the other. Form in the board is fine with me.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 8:25pm
Thanks djebel
No slot, no worries: Chris Waller still eyes The Everest with Nature Strip Nature StripImage: GettyTalented sprinter https://www.punters.com.au/horses/nature-strip_581128/" rel="nofollow - Nature Strip will be given every chance to stake a claim for a berth in The Everest.
Premier Sydney trainer https://www.punters.com.au/trainers/chris-waller_499/" rel="nofollow - Chris Waller has
been working hard to get Nature Strip to settle in his work and trials
with a view to extending his repertoire to run 1200 metres comfortably.
Only one of Nature Strip's 10 wins has been beyond 1100m, the distance of his Group One win in The Galaxy earlier this year.
Waller
said while Nature Strip is yet to secure a slot in the $14 million
feature in October, he will aim to have him ready - even if he's on
standby as emergency - if required.
"I think he has come back a
more mature horse again and with him losing those antics of being seen
as a 'go fast and hope for the best' type horse, we are starting to see
some tractability in him," Waller said.
"He had a trial last week at https://www.punters.com.au/tracks/rosehill_34/" rel="nofollow - Rosehill with https://www.punters.com.au/jockeys/james-mcdonald_2905/" rel="nofollow - James McDonald aboard who said that it is the best he has been.
"I
think he is a perfect example for a horse to pick up one of the last
remaining slots because he is a proven Group One performer.
"I know everyone is just waiting to see him settle better and I have just about done it."
Waller is already training West Australian mares https://www.punters.com.au/horses/arcadia-queen_654425/" rel="nofollow - Arcadia Queen and https://www.punters.com.au/horses/enticing-star_559200/" rel="nofollow - Enticing Star for The Everest.
Both
are owned by Bob Peters and have secured starts in the race on October
19 with Enticing Star to run in the slot held by Waller and Arcadia
Queen running for The Star.
The two were withdrawn from barrier trials on Monday with the trainer saying they did not need them so soon.
Instead, they worked together at Rosehill on Tuesday morning.
Waller
plans to start Nature Strip in the Group Three Concorde Stakes (1000m)
on September 7 but has not yet decided where Arcadia Queen and Enticing
Star will kick off.
After the Concorde, Nature Strip is likely to
run in the Premiere Stakes (1200m) on October 5 to ensure he is primed
for the Everest if he gets a call-up.
The four slots left in the race are held by Coolmore, Godolphin, James Harron and the Melbourne Racing Club.
Coolmore and Godolphin are likely to put one of their own horses in while the winner of the Schillaci Stakes at https://www.punters.com.au/tracks/caulfield_81/" rel="nofollow - Caulfield on October 12 gains the MRC slot if connections want to run.
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2019 at 8:48pm
It's official.
McEvoy has stuck with Redzel for his Everest campaign.
Nash Rawiller to ride Classique Legend.
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Posted By: In The Shadows
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2019 at 10:59pm
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Impressed to see McEvoy stick solid. Love his loyalty
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Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2019 at 4:52am
Redzel knows when to peak for this race
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2019 at 8:28pm
Fairyland was considered as an alternative travelling partner for Ten
Sovereigns. However should Coolmore require a replacement for Ten
Sovereigns, a domestic sprinter such as the Coolmore part-owned Yes Yes
Yes is likely to be given the slot.
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Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 6:58pm
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Enticing Star has been retired so Waller's slot available.
Nature Strip??
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 7:19pm
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Enticing Star was surely talented, but had only won a Listed race and run 2nd in a WA Gp 1. Almost as bad as Arcadia Queen who's only win over 1200m was in a WA mid-week maiden.
The latter may prove me wrong but can't for the life of me see why either had the cred to be ultra competitive in a 1200m race like the Everest.
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 7:50pm
I think that that is bit of an overreaction.
It was a genuine group 2 field and she ran okay.
Has to be some kind of injury reason, surely!
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 8:26pm
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Well she's obviously been on regumate, a 6yo mare remember, so presumably sustained an injury or in Waller's opinion simply wasn't up to a slot.
Certainly know where my money is. 
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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 10:51pm
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At least if Nature Strip gets the slot we should get some speed up front this year.
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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2019 at 11:03pm
If Nature Strip runs, Pierata will win by a minute, and I'll be doubling up.
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Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 3:52pm
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2 additions announced today.
Nature Strip (James Herron's slot)
Yes Yes Yes (Chris Waller's slot)
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 3:57pm
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 4:00pm
This is either the most genius decision ever, or it is a total waste of Harrons money.
To me this means that this race has been this horses target, ever since he joined the Waller stable.
Personally I can not see him finishing top four, unless they have a huge on pace bias.
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Posted By: Schillaci
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 4:04pm
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Nature strip the pacemaker for yes yes yes.
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Posted By: ChrisB
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 6:42pm
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Santa Ana Lane a near certainly now the speedy squib has been entered
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Posted By: Mug-Punter
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 7:30pm
horlicks wrote:
2 additions announced today.
Nature Strip (James Herron's slot)
Yes Yes Yes (Chris Waller's slot)
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Sorry but where can I find any info on YYY being Wallers runner? Not on his website or the Everest site either....
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Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 8:37pm
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It was mentioned on TV this afternoon,
However I think the gun was jumped as it now appears no decision yet.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 9:28pm
Is Arcadia Queen in ?
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 9:57pm
Arcadia Queen is running for The Star casino.
I am sure I saw Yes Yes Yes was confirmed on the Racenet website. willing to be proven wrong.
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Posted By: ChrisB
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 10:04pm
Santa or Pierata.
Maybe Classique Legend.
Great race!
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Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 11:19pm
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Ten Sovereigns to win if dry and cause a big upset.
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Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 9:51am
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Yes Yes Yes is in the mix for Coolmore's slot if rain appears likely, and the remove Ten Sovereigns, that may be the delaying factor.
It's a bit of a dealing exercise, waiting for the cards to fall. Bivouac, Alizee and Brutal all in the deals, and even Trekking, if he wins the Schillaci, and Godolphin don't think he's up to others they have, they're able to not accept the slot (which I'm sure they would arrange for one of their others to take).
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Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 7:39pm
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Yes Yes Yes confirmed for the Waller Slot
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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 7:50pm
pnclick wrote:
Yes Yes Yes is in the mix for Coolmore's slot if rain appears likely, and the remove Ten Sovereigns, that may be the delaying factor.
It's a bit of a dealing exercise, waiting for the cards to fall. Bivouac, Alizee and Brutal all in the deals, and even Trekking, if he wins the Schillaci, and Godolphin don't think he's up to others they have, they're able to not accept the slot (which I'm sure they would arrange for one of their others to take).
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I thought the slot goes to the runner-up in the Schillaci if the winner doesn't take it?
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Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 7:59pm
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You are spot on Jacko, my mistake...
The MRC Everest slot The slot controlled by the MRC in the 2019 Everest will be offered to the winner of the 2019 Schillaci Stakes, under the following conditions: - In the event of a dead heat in the Schillaci Stakes, the slot will be offered to the horse with the higher handicap rating prior to the race. Should the horse(s) involved in the dead heat carry the same handicap rating, the slot will be offered to the horse that has won the highest aggregate prize money in the preceding 12-month period.
- Connections of the horse offered the MRC Everest slot must confirm their acceptance by 12pm AEDT on Sunday 13 October.
- Prior to confirmation, the horse may be subject an independent veterinary examination as appointed by the MRC.
- If for any reason the horse initially offered the slot cannot accept it, the second placegetter in the Schillaci Stakes shall be offered the slot under the same conditions, and so on.
- The jockey of the horse representing the MRC slot in the Everest may be required wear colours determined by the MRC in the race.
- Distribution of prize money earned in The Everest: of any prize money won by the horse representing the MRC slot in the Everest, the first $300,000 will be allocated to the MRC, the next $100,000 to the horse’s connections, and any remaining amount split 50:50 by the MRC and connections. Prize money amounts payable to the trainer (10% of total prize money), jockey (5%) and stable hand fund (1.5%) will be taken proportionally from the allocations stated above.
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Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 8:13pm
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And Alizee gets the Godolphin slot.
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 9:14pm
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Yes yes yes , no no no , he is not quite up to this level yet and doubt if Waller will fry him without a group 1 win on the board already, i think he will stay at 3yo level until this happens .
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 9:31pm
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Nsw tab has him YesYesYes as a slotted horse , blow me down .
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Posted By: roland
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 10:49pm
Can't believe we have our boy in The Everest! Now to find someone with Tab rewards points to buy a few tickets
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 10:13am
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"A VISITING American with a penchant for riveting repartee once observed on his one and only sojourn to the Melbourne Cup that its mother city was the “mitred metropolitan of the horseracing cult”. Mark Twain’s 1897 observations may well be lost on NSW Racing rottweiler Peter V’landys, a man who seems sadly incapable of appreciating that prestige and class is not acquired in a Weeties packet, or by throwing as much cash as is required. He boasts the richest sprint race in the world, the 70-second stampede known as The Everest. It’s worth $6 million more than our Cup but a water-sport equivalent would be a bunch of bogans on jet skis taking on the Sydney-to-Hobart maxis. The English Derby aside, no flat race in the world can compare with the history of the Melbourne Cup. How V’landys must cringe when he constantly hears it referred to as “the race that stops a nation”, when tools are downed and once-a-year punters cheer home their selections from the office sweep."
An excerpt from an article written by Jon Anderson in this morning's press
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 11:16am
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I do not like the race myself but whether I like it or Jon Anderson likes it, or not, The Everest will scrounge together a classier field of sprinters than the Melbourne Cup will of Stayers.
As such the Everest will be a classier race. That is just the way it will be.
#Unfortunately.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 11:54am
I may have a little " class" but it will Never have the tradition, chalk n cheese.
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 11:55am
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 12:40pm
They are both great races, for very different reasons. Neither race has entrants that aren’t top class. Why not love them both 😊
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 12:45pm
The Everest is a race designed to suit Australian interests. The Melbourne Cup is a race designed to suit the interests of Europeans, 19th century Australians, and Lord Williams.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 12:52pm
So much for that 🙁 common sense out the window
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 12:55pm
Goldeys YYY comment about not frying him I mean
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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 1:04pm
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Trekking confirmed.
Does In Her Time deserve to be the outsider? Last season she was right up with SAL, Pierata etc. Proven at this level compared to others who are shorter and not.
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 1:10pm
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1st up record alone gives her a chance
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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 1:30pm
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Yep not sure how she's double the price of YYY who has already had two tough runs against his own age group that he couldn't win.
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:32am
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I see Tony McEvoy has come out and suggested“The Melbourne Cup has lost its Australian-ness,” This is our
big race now. This is Australia’s
race. The internationals are going to come for this, too, but over the years
we’ve been too good for them at this distance (1200m). We can’t compete with
them at the staying distance (3200m) of a Melbourne Cup. You look at all the
results of all the staying races in the country and the winners are all imports, sadly.”
McEvoy adds:
“It’s what we’ve created. We did this ourselves. We went to the yearling sales
and started to buy speed. The breeders thought they had to breed to the market.
We’ve created this situation ourselves increasing the loss of connection with
punters and the public. “I don’t
spend any time looking at the Melbourne Cup because you don’t know any of the
horses,” McEvoy says. “You don’t get the great old storylines you used to get.
I do find it a little sad. I remember being out in the schoolyard and listening
to it on the amplifier. These days I’ve heard of schools not even watching or
listening to the race. I really do think that’s sad. The Prince of Penzance
story was a great one, but that’s a rarity.
Tony makes a few valid
points but also glosses over a few.
A. McEvoy is not a noted
trainer of two mile stayers. I might be corrected, but he once did
train the winner of the Adelaide Cup.
B. Etienne De Mestre, George
Hanlon and Bart Cummings would be turning in their graves to think that
an Australian trainer would regard winning a 1200 metre sprint as
more challenging and satisfying than preparing a horse and winning
the Cup.
C. For Heavens sake The
Everest is named after a mountain peak in the Himalayas , which has
little to no connection to Australia.
Surely they could have found a more appropriate name for "Australia's"
now "big race."
D. McEvoy laments that
punters cannot relate to the form of the imported horses and have lost
connection to the race.As far as I can remember the Cup has
always attracted the once- a -year punters. who like those next month
, had no idea of the form of the runners, jockeys or trainers and will place
bets on omens, lucky numbers, saddle cloth colours etc. Until the next year
they will probably never place a bet on a horse race or enter an office
sweep.
BTW does anyone believe they
will be an office sweep on The Everest at any office in Rockhampton, SwanHill
or Hobart ? Thought so.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:41am
The Everest being held in Sydney also helps its credentials as the best race in Australia. Nothing good comes out of Melbourne other than the Hume Highway.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:42am
Cold, hot miserable joint !
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:44am
oneonesit wrote:
Cold, hot miserable joint !
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Of course The Everest is cold, it's the highest mountain in the world . 
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:49am
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http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/forecasts/melbourne.shtml?ref=hdr" rel="nofollow - http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/forecasts/melbourne.shtml?ref=hdr
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:52am
Sorry Bob - didn't mean to tarnish the Victorians who post on here. I've come across a few half decent ones over the years & i'd put you in that category for sure. TJ Mitchell would be another one.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:56am
No need to check members profile details re their location. The comments in the MC & Everest threads usually suffice for an accurate assessment. Unfortunately those from Tasmania get awfully confused
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:58am
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Mate, as a Melburnian I know a few Melburnians to whom I would not give the time of the day, however this topic is about an iconic horse race that has existed since 1861 against a sweep stake race that will be run for the third time this Saturday. Bit like comparing Roger Federer to Bernard Tomic, who as a teenager promised the world, and has delivered an atlas.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:58am
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D. McEvoy laments that
punters cannot relate to the form of the imported horses and have lost
connection to the race.As far as I can remember the Cup has
always attracted the once- a -year punters. who like those next month
, had no idea of the form of the runners, jockeys or trainers and will place
bets on omens, lucky numbers, saddle cloth colours etc. Until the next year
they will probably never place a bet on a horse race or enter an office
sweep.
Good point. The MC brings out the mug punters who don't bother with form. But for someone who does, the MC and CC are much less interesting as betting races than they were 20 years ago. Unless I can see a class horse, in form very recently in Australia, e.g. Almandin, Protectionist, the MC has no betting interest for me.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:58am
& don't get me started on the South Australians. The "wannabes"
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 10:04am
Baghdad Bob wrote:
Mate, as a Melburnian I know a few Melburnians to whom I would not give the time of the day, however this topic is about an iconic horse race that has existed since 1861 against a sweep stake race that will be run for the third time this Saturday. Bit like comparing Roger Federer to Bernard Tomic, who as a teenager promised the world, and has delivered an atlas. | Fair comment Bob - a long, long way to go. But gee - comparing us to Bernard Tomic is about as low as you can go. Even Kyrios would have been a small step up 
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 10:07am
Anyhow got to go , just got the missus rubbing the sun cream on my back - off to the beach for the day
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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 10:10am
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I just noticed the Everest winner only gets $6 mill or so of the $14 million, and that's before the slot holders take their cut. So most of the prizemoney goes to the losers.
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 10:11am
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What percentage of the population bet on horses throughout the year ? Probably less than 5%. McEvoy has failed to see the attraction of the Melbourne Cup to those once-a- year punters even if their only interest is having invested $1 in an office sweep. Sure to punters who regularly bet , the race has changed over the years, but to those once-a-year punters it will never change.
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 10:16am
oneonesit wrote:
Anyhow got to go , just got the missus rubbing the sun cream on my back - off to the beach for the day
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Sydney today.... Sun protection recommended from 9:20 am to 4:00 pm, UV Index predicted to reach 8 [Very High]
Oneonesit, make sure you apply maximum protection, skin cancer is more of a problem to Sydneysiders than Melburnians and as a consequence life expectancy is a little longer in Melbourne.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 10:27am
I have always been amazed why once a year punters keep backing up. The whole process is such a daunting process for those that aren't regular punters. Even after they get past the selection bit they have a multitude of bet types to grapple with - then working out the cost of the bet. Exotics such as trifectas, first fours & even quinella/exacta's confuse the crap out of most of them. They normally think they pay per horse - not by combination. Then they line up for half an hour only to find they have got it all wrong at the counter. And finally when the race is on they will be lucky to see it/hear it - & almost certainly will not have a trained eye to follow it in the run. Then if they are lucky enough to get a result go back to pick it up. And the alternative these days - an on-line account - is in itself a complicated process just to have a once off bet. But thousands back up year on year.........so i have obviously got it all wrong.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 10:29am
Baghdad Bob wrote:
oneonesit wrote:
Anyhow got to go , just got the missus rubbing the sun cream on my back - off to the beach for the day
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Sydney today.... Sun protection recommended from 9:20 am to 4:00 pm, UV Index predicted to reach 8 [Very High]
Oneonesit, make sure you apply maximum protection, skin cancer is more of a problem to Sydneysiders than Melburnians and as a consequence life expectancy is a little longer in Melbourne. | Thanks Bob. Unfortunately i needed that advise 50 years ago - damage done !
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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 10:42am
oneonesit wrote:
Anyhow got to go , just got the missus rubbing the sun cream on my back - off to the beach for the day
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must get annoying the volunteers trying to push you into the water, mistaking you for a beached whale 
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Posted By: Baguette
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 10:45am
Baghdad Bob wrote:
What percentage of the population bet on horses throughout the year ? Probably less than 5%. McEvoy has failed to see the attraction of the Melbourne Cup to those once-a- year punters even if their only interest is having invested $1 in an office sweep.Sure to punters who regularly bet , the race has changed over the years, but to those once-a-year punters it will never change. | What we have here is tradition versus reality. Tradition is fine but arguing that because something has always been this way it will always stay this way is usually a receipt for disaster. The modern Melbourne Cup bears no resemblance to the Cup of my youth or the Cup Phar Lap won. I don’t think there’s any doubt that the modern International benefit Melbourne Cup has lost a lot of its interest for the once a year punters . It’s still got its tradition but I’d be willing to bet that the average 20 year old would be lucky to remember that it’s even on this year. At least the Everest is a race for Australian horses that every one knows.
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 11:23am
Baguette wrote:
Baghdad Bob wrote:
What percentage of the population bet on horses throughout the year ? Probably less than 5%. McEvoy has failed to see the attraction of the Melbourne Cup to those once-a- year punters even if their only interest is having invested $1 in an office sweep.Sure to punters who regularly bet , the race has changed over the years, but to those once-a-year punters it will never change. | What we have here is tradition versus reality. Tradition is fine but arguing that because something has always been this way it will always stay this way is usually a receipt for disaster. The modern Melbourne Cup bears no resemblance to the Cup of my youth or the Cup Phar Lap won. I don’t think there’s any doubt that the modern International benefit Melbourne Cup has lost a lot of its interest for the once a year punters . It’s still got its tradition but I’d be willing to bet that the average 20 year old would be lucky to remember that it’s even on this year. At least the Everest is a race for Australian horses that every one knows. |
Regular punters would know the runners in The Everest but the average once- a -year punter would have no idea. To assume once-a- year punters know runners in The Everest is pushing it, in fact I doubt they even know the race is run this weekend, yet they would all know the Cup is on the first Tuesday in November, even if they do not know one horse from another.
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 11:24am
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The Cup is at least unique. Sure there are a couple of other 2 mile races in the country but they are completely different in terms of quality and class. The Everest is another 1200m WFA race, of which we have plenty. Most of these will head to the Darley in a fortnight and race each other again.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 11:29am
Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 11:32am
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 12:44pm
I'd be surprised if Subway or Seven Eleven close in order for staff to watch it 
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 12:47pm
just got sand in my phone !
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Posted By: Good Old Ted
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 1:26pm
jacko1 wrote:
I just noticed the Everest winner only gets $6 mill or so of the $14 million, and that's before the slot holders take their cut. So most of the prizemoney goes to the losers. |
The Everest is an overhyped exhibition, racing's equivalent of golf's skins game where the wealthy redistribute other peoples coin amongst themselves.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 1:27pm
oneonesit wrote:
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Well you would certainly be much more familiar with fast food joints than anyone else here so happy to bow to your greater knowledge on that one. 
Point is the same though - every office in the country is right into the cup, as is every hospitality venue. That’s not to say that the Everest hasn’t quickly become a great event too but it doesnt come close to the Melbourne cup.
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 5:13pm
I think djebels point that the Everest will pull together a more quality field is a bit off the mark.
Last years winner of the cup was very competitive with the best stayer in Europe this year (and one of the best I have seen) and the third horse ran well in Hong Kong at the international meeting.
Avilius went on to win two group 1's in the autumn and others ran well in other group 1's Venguer Masque for instance ran second in the Sydney Cup.
I will do the exact numbers tonight, but there have been many group 1 winners and place getters come out of the last ten Melbourne Cups, and some of that form is in European races, not just here in Australia.
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Posted By: Mr Grieves
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 5:43pm
I guess it depends how highly you rate our sprinters.....I think Santa is clearly world class and has won G1s all over the country (beaten by circumstances in HK, run was fantastic) but the rest seem pretty even and take it in turns. And as someone pointed out, it's just another 1200m Aussie wfa contest.
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 6:00pm
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The war of words between Victoria and NSW over the timing of The
Everest blew up today with Victoria’s
top officials saying “try hard” Sydneysiders had a “profound inferiority
complex”.
Victorian
treasurer Tim Pallas fired up at comparisons between brash newcomer The
Everest, the world’s richest race on turf, and the 150-year-old Melbourne Cup.
“I
suppose you could compare a sprint down a straight line against a race that
stops a nation if you were, I dunno, parochial and Sydney based,” he said.
“But I
can’t see there are too many reasons why anybody would see that there is merit
in trying to compete with something that is very much part and parcel of the
tradition of this nation.”
And then
he fired: “Ultimately the try-hards in Sydney
can do what they want, they can throw as much money at it as they want, it
really just does show that they are suffering from a profound inferiority
complex.”
The Victorians have fired up after Racing NSW
chief executive Peter V’landys had the temerity to suggest they move the date
of the Melbourne Cup.
NSW Racing chairman Russell Balding this week called out the
Victorians for blocking The Everest receiving Group One status because they
wanted it to be staged on a different date.
The
Everest this Saturday is on the same day as The Caulfield Cup in Victoria and its bumper
crowd is expected to at least be double the numbers attending the meeting south
of the border.
That
clearly hurts those sensitive southern egos.
Victorian
Premier Daniel Andrews was asked what he thought about people who say The
Everest is better than the Melbourne Cup and sneered: “I don’t think much about
those people.
“I don’t
think that’s really a very logical argument at all. I don’t think the Everest
stops the nations does it?
“There
are many people around the country who are very jealous of Victoria’s major events calendar — The
Melbourne Cup is the biggest horse race in our nation. It stops the nation. It
will have record crowds there this year and be a fantastic event as it is every
year.”
Earlier NSW Racing Minister Kevin Anderson defended the choice
of date for The Everest. “People enjoy coming to Sydney
for their events so it’s only natural that the richest turf race in the world
is held here and on a date that works for Sydney,”
he said.
“With the
winner taking home $14 million, ( this bloke does not know what he is talking
about the winner gets $6,050.000 ) the Everest is the first class
thoroughbred race NSW was crying out for and it has delivered.”
And he
backed calls for it to be given racing’s top ranking, which was blocked by
Racing Victoria.
“Group
one status recognises the highest thoroughbred stakes in the country, right now
the Everest meets that description so all eyes are on us to see what happens
next,” he said.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 6:18pm
Why are paranoid insecure Victorians comparing the Everest with the Melbourne Cup anyway?  I doubt it's a comparison that many in NSW have made.
Is some southern shock jock whipping you all into a lather?
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 6:22pm
Mr Grieves wrote:
I guess it depends how highly you rate our sprinters.....I think Santa is clearly world class..... but the rest seem pretty even and take it in turns. |
Can't disagree with the highlighted text, however if one looks at the historical results of overseas open age Gp 1 sprints it'll show that the spoils are very much shared around in Europe, GB, and USA also.
So if top class sprinters across four or five theatres appear uniformly even, it's probably a moot point as to whether they're uniformly ordinary, average or great.
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 6:48pm
Tlazolteotl wrote:
Why are paranoid insecure Victorians comparing the Everest with the Melbourne Cup anyway?  I doubt it's a comparison that many in NSW have made.
Is some southern shock jock whipping you all into a lather? |
If I recall it was Vlandys, that former CEO of Harness Racing NSW & present CEO of Racing NSW who said ..
1. VRC should change the date of the Melbourne Cup until later in November, so that it would fit in with The Everest. 2. The Everest would takeover in precedence over the Cup as Australia's most important race
Do not think it was any paranoid, insecure Victorian making those calls.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 6:58pm
Baghdad Bob wrote:
Tlazolteotl wrote:
Why are paranoid insecure Victorians comparing the Everest with the Melbourne Cup anyway?  I doubt it's a comparison that many in NSW have made.
Is some southern shock jock whipping you all into a lather? |
If I recall it was Vlandys, that former CEO of Harness Racing NSW & present CEO of Racing NSW who said ..
1. VRC should change the date of the Melbourne Cup until later in November, so that it would fit in with The Everest. 2. The Everest would takeover in precedence over the Cup as Australia's most important race
Do not think it was any paranoid, insecure Victorian making those calls. |
I doubt he said that but no doubt in your fevered imagination you think he said it. 
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Edmund Burke
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 7:02pm
The Melbourne Cup is of world wide Interest & part of Australia's Hstory.
The Everest is an interesting Race.
Any change to timetables should be, move the Everest.
Run it on a Monday at Dubbo in June.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 7:05pm
The Everest will move in time, to a Wednesday, which will be declared a holiday.
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 7:26pm
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What Pete might have conveniently forgotten is that back in the early
2000’s RNSW was crying into its prawn chowder that Victoria was encroaching on its Autumn
Carnival. Talk about the kettle calling the pot black.
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 7:30pm
Tlazolteotl wrote:
Baghdad Bob wrote:
Tlazolteotl wrote:
Why are paranoid insecure Victorians comparing the Everest with the Melbourne Cup anyway?  I doubt it's a comparison that many in NSW have made.
Is some southern shock jock whipping you all into a lather? |
If I recall it was Vlandys, that former CEO of Harness Racing NSW & present CEO of Racing NSW who said ..
1. VRC should change the date of the Melbourne Cup until later in November, so that it would fit in with The Everest. 2. The Everest would takeover in precedence over the Cup as Australia's most important race
Do not think it was any paranoid, insecure Victorian making those calls. |
I doubt he said that but no doubt in your fevered imagination you think he said it.  |
I should have said Vlandys believed it could challenge the Cup in years to come .
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 7:50pm
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Get a grip.
V'landys had his tongue firmly in cheek re the Everest eclipsing the Cup, even if he was sticking its very success up Victoria's rear end.
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 7:59pm
Everest ratings. in race order
1. Santa Ana Lane - 89. No chinks here. Second up good, loves Randwick and the 1200 is ideal. His fresh run was a cracker and whatever beats him wins. 2. Pierata - 89. Exactly the same as SAL. His form this prep has been fantastic and he comes here right at the top of his game. 3. Redzel - 82. Defending champion and can run well, but unless we get a heavy track he is only a top four hope at best. 4. Nature Strip - 82. I think he can run well, but I do not think he can beat all 11 of his opponents. Will do well to run in the front half of the field. 5. Trekking - 79. Earnt his spot last saturday, but for me he is no chance. Should be $51. 6. Classique Legend - 84. I think he is a good sprinter, but this is the top flight and for me is a top four ope at best. 7. Ten Sovereigns - 77. If he wins this then it is not only our WFA horses who are struggling. Top half at best. 8. Alizee - 82. Fresh looks best, and she has got a good turn of foot. Some hope of a place, but she has got to get past SAL and Pierata. 9. Sunlight - 85. he can stalk the two pacemakers and I think she will look the winner at some stage in the straight. Winning hope. 10. In Her Time - 84. I like her first up here. Two years ago she was fresh and she actually ran a quicker time than Redzel did on the same day. Here fresh form is good enough to win this and I can not believe she is $26+, definite overs. 11. Arcadia Queen - 82. Her fresh run was good, but she will need to step up again. She is talented and you could say untapped, so she has the scope to improve enough to win and he trainer knows how to get the best out of mares. 12. Yes Yes Yes - 80. Going well, but he steps out against the big boys and girls here. Can run well but top four best for me. 13. Brutal - 84. If he can get a run he is a danger. 14. Home Of The Brave - 81. Top run fresh and he could get a similar run to Sunlight if he gets a run. Not hopeless.
1. Pierata - 89 2. Santa Ana Lane - 89 3. Sunlight - 85 4. Brutal - 84 5. In Her Time - 84 6. Classique Legend - 82
Add ins for any scratchings are Arcadia Queen & Alizee.
Recommended Bet: $30 win No.2 Pierata $20 win No.1 Santa Ana Lane
Precedent: No.2 Pierata
Good luck for everyone with all investments
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:00pm
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Anyone know why betting is suspended atm , on nsw tab , seems strange , scratching imminent ?
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:01pm
goldey wrote:
Anyone know why betting is suspended atm , on nsw tab , seems strange , scratching imminent ? |
Barrier draw maybe .
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Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:02pm
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2019 at 10:00am
Tlazolteotl wrote:
D. McEvoy laments that
punters cannot relate to the form of the imported horses and have lost
connection to the race.As far as I can remember the Cup has
always attracted the once- a -year punters. who like those next month
, had no idea of the form of the runners, jockeys or trainers and will place
bets on omens, lucky numbers, saddle cloth colours etc. Until the next year
they will probably never place a bet on a horse race or enter an office
sweep.
Good point. The MC brings out the mug punters who don't bother with form. But for someone who does, the MC and CC are much less interesting as betting races than they were 20 years ago. Unless I can see a class horse, in form very recently in Australia, e.g. Almandin, Protectionist, the MC has no betting interest for me.
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But I'm sure the FIFO Melbourne Cup will be yet another brilliant success this year. 
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Posted By: Formerly Kincsem
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2019 at 2:28pm
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It might be different to those in Sydney, but for me the Everest is just another fairly generic G1 sprint. It would be great for the beneficiaries of the prize money but the prize money does not really correlate with prestige and excitement. It's like getting excited about a lottery you don't have a ticket for.
I'm all for Sydney ramping up their spring, but clashing with time honored races is pretty pathetic. I don't think anyone born post 1980 really cares about state rivalries, and I know all my mates from Melbourne love going up for the Sydney Autumn and really enjoy the City and love the racing.
Unfortunately middle-aged blokes that run the racing clubs have built their identity around the city they reside, which is really bizarre to those of us with a more border less national view.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2019 at 3:27pm
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Look Kincsem. It is silly I agree but time honoured. All that goes to prove is that Melbourne forced Sydney to move in the Autumn. Yes time honoured. Our carnival was tied to Easter Long weekend. But Victoria moved races around with caused a stink and issues and Sydney changed to a fixed date to help both states. Now I don't know about moving the Cup. But he has a point with wanting time after all the football finals. And I know I've followed the Cup since childhood but I just can't remember the winners anymore. It's a tad flat racing this season - could be me or my circumstances at the moment could be missing the racing queen Winx - or it could be the racing channels split so I mostly watch Sydney racing. Or it could just be I am loosing interest in the Cups as they don't mean much to me anymore.
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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2019 at 4:53pm
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There's something about the slot-renting mechanism at The Everest that rather appeals to MaxCap co-founder and chief investment officer Brae Sokolski. He structures commercial real estate debt deals in his day job, and so reckons he took to the bartering around getting his horse Yes Yes Yes a slot like a fish to water.
On Saturday, Yes Yes Yes is a good shot at Peter V'landys' three-year-old $14 million turf race. Ownership is split between Sokolski and some of his clients, including Melbourne real estate identities Jeff Xu, Tim Price, Aziz Kheir, Brett Griffith, Tim Storey, Brett Griffith and Rich Lister Larry Kestelman. Sokolski will be there to watch in person, giving the Caulfield Cup a miss, even though he also part-owns that race's favourite, Finche.
The shortest odds are split between Santa Ana Lane and Arcadia Queen. Santa Ana Lane belongs to the Australia Club-centred William St Syndicate, managed by mining executive Michael Ramsden (who's also a long-standing director of the Victoria Racing Club), while Arcadia Queen is owned by Perth motor retail veteran Bob Peters.
Among other notables racing on Saturday is two-time Everest winner Redzel, which is controlled by an absolutely massive syndicate that includes Chinese billionaire Yuesheng Zhang, of the Yulong Investment Group. Also starting is Alizee, owned by Dubai ruler Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum's Godolphin stable.
There's a few other well-known faces in the ranks of horses who'll get a call-up if any of the starters are scratched. Since June, fund manager Geoff Wilson has a very small stake in first emergency Brutal. Godolphin's second horse in the race, Home of the Brave, is the second emergency.
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