Anyone care to provide comment on TAS, along with the likes of Trapeze Artist, Written By, Pierata etc? 

Trapeze Artist to me will be the best son of Snitzel at stud, I liked Russian Revolution but feel like Trapeze Artist has a real x-factor.

TAS will be great - but extremely expensive, 66k is my guess.

Written By.. not sure they really should have sold him after his Diamond win, he'll find an alright home still but his value has really plummeted since then. 

I'm assuming Brave Smash is also going to stud this year? I quite like the horse as a race horse, however I'd be a bit gun shy as a stallion - there are a fair few Japanese stallions in Australia now and if they flop you could be left with yearlings that aren't worth much through association. 

Kementari I like as a stallion - I think he didn't train on at all after his 3yo season but think he was a good horse - standing at 33 I think if you get in at 15-20 it's an ok deal.

I think this could be an absolutely stellar crop of First Season Sires. The other benefit they have is I think they'll all get massive numbers - the amount of stallions that got 200+ last season due to the ageing of our 'best' stallions was insane, it shows that there is a need for more commercial grade stallions at stud.

10-15min I was stuffing around with the formatting on that...

Only a couple of multiple winners on the list, and only Trapeze Artist has won more than one at open age. However, most of them have been beaten about by the great mare.

  I thought maybe Poseidon could of been there but he had six runs as a two year old without a race of merit.  The closest other would be undefeated Grand Flaneur with the AJC Derby as his second start and win.  Two starts later the win in the VRC Derby and then the Melbourne Cup with 6 stone 10 pounds.  You could argue his AJC Mares Produce and VRC Mares Produce stakes would of been G1 status back in their day.  They only ran for about twenty years each and the list of winners include most of the colts who made stallions back in their day.

I love Trapeze Artist with his four G1's more than any of the others and racing into his forth year he's not such an immature horse.

Sounds right

That said, none of those are likely to be winning any Qld 900m first season sires titles.

There's two basic differences imo.

1.  Kementari didn't really come up as a 4yo imo, despite those early Spring placings and a marginal result later on in the Manikato before a later shocker.  Similar in the Autumn, fair first up then an ordinary.  Hasn't won for 12 months.

2. Pierata in fact won twice in the Spring at Gp 2 and 3 level before running 2nd in the same race in which Kementari ran a shocker.  Pierata's winning 1200m Gp success was run faster, if memory serves, than Redzel's Everest victory.  And has franked his form this Autumn.

Imo opinion Pierata is a far more genuine, talented performer than Kementari ever was at 4.  

TAS ran well as a 2yo and despite that, I wouldn't be surprised if his foals also took longer to mature.  Dam line is Galileo --> Lear Fan --> Darshaan --> a son of Ribot. The other big-name stallion in his family, Azamour, was not early and his best similarly did better from late 3 onwards, including some top-class hurdlers.

Ace High is interesting.  Good solid racehorse, diverse enough breeding on his dam's side to include lots of different mare lines.  

Pierro's feelings are a little hurt, didn't he win a triple crown too?  

And I'm not sure either of the US TC  will be a good fit for the Australian and New Zealand mare population.  Since 2012-2013, the only Storm Cat-line stallion (or indeed one with any Storm Cat at all) in the top 20 leading stallions is Lope de Vega.  If you go out to top 30 leading stallions, you get...Lope de Vega and Foxwedge.  Oooooh wow.

IMO Cambridge Stud scored big with Roaring Lion.

Yes K.M. I mentioned that on another thread.  There are 3 T.C. winners at Coolmore, and personally I would much prefer the Aust one to the US ones.  Dirt horses, especially Scat Daddy ones, I just dont think will do a whole lot here.

Happy to be proved wrong but 2 US Kentucky Derby winners that come to mind, and they were stunning lookers, were Fu Peg and Thunder Gulch.  Not much of note came from either of those 2 in this part of the world.

He is an interesting one.  G1 winning 2yo and from what I hear a stunning type.  Pedigree is very thin though.

Yeah. I'm not a fan but pedigree doesn't always mean much - have a look at Spirit of Booms pedigree before he and Temple came along, way worse than Written By's.

The US$3m Keeneland September Sale topping yearling Mendelssohn has an equally impressive race record and pedigree. At two the son of sire of sires Scat Daddy won the Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf-Gr.1 and added the UAE Derby-Gr.2 the following season in astonishing style when winning by 18½ lengths in record time. 

   Oh please !  Not another Scat Daddy. 

If I was lucky enough to own a good mare i wouldnt be going near a Scat Daddy horse ever , not to mention what it will cost, and in a couple of years when the 2 yos are ordinary, the stallion will vanish back to the US .

Who would have thought or imagined 25 years later he'd have a 4th generation son, high class one at that, standing at stud in Australia ?

the dam Sire of Harry Angel, Cadeaux Genereux is from the Hyperion Sire Line 'still existing' in Europe.

 

regards, Ticino

Coolmore Release 2019 Fees

Tara Madgwick - Sunday April 14

Many might disagree however believe and indeed hope there might be a few red faces in a couple of years time.

I think with the lower end shuttlers Coolmore often send them for 3 seasons and then wait and see how they go before deciding if they return.

Zoustar $154k

Nicconi $38.5k

All others dropped in fee or stayed the same.

https://www.breednet.com.au/news/6945/widden-stud-announce-fees" rel="nofollow - https://www.breednet.com.au/news/6945/widden-stud-announce-fees

The famed WIDDEN STUD have announced their roster for the 2019 season spearheaded by the exciting Zoustar (Northern Meteor) who will stand for $140,000 + GST while multiple Group 1-winning newcomer Trapeze Artist (Snitzel) will begin his first season at a fee of $90,000 + GST.

The fee increase for Zoustar, Australia's Champion first season sire in 2017-18, comes after his three-year-olds dominated the Coolmore Stud Stakes (registered as Ascot Vale Stakes) (Gr 1, 1200m) in the spring, with Sunlight leading home a trifecta for the young stallion who is poised to claim the second season sire title this year.

The Tony McEvoy-trained Sunlight has also since won the Newmarket Handicap (Gr 1, 1200m) and the William Reid Stakes (Gr 1, 1200m) against the older sprinters to lay claim to being the Champion sprinter of the year and Champion 3yo.

Zoustar is the sire of seven individual stakes winners, including this season's B J McLachlan Stakes (Gr 3, 1200m) winning juvenile Sun City from two crops of racing age meanwhile, his yearlings sold up to $1 million and averaged $328,571 at last week's Inglis Australian Easter Yearling Sale.
" Zoustar is the most exciting young stallion in the world and that demand has extended to the Northern Hemisphere where he is covering a full book of mares at Tweenhills Stud. To sire the 1-2-3 in a highly targeted Group One race like the Coolmore with his first crop speaks volumes of this young stallion's ability and future" said Widden's Antony Thompson.

"He's also enjoyed a phenomenal year in the sales ring with multiple yearlings fetching $1m or more. Given his strong shareholder support nomination numbers are limited and we expect he'll be full within the next few days post the release of his fee."

Thompson said Trapeze Artist's record meant he was deserving of a high-quality band of broodmares in his first season at stud which will be presented to him by his owner-breeder Bert Vieira and Widden Stud.
"Trapeze Artist is without question one of the most decorated & best credentialled horses to retire to stud in years. A multiple record-breaking sprinter, a 3yo that dominated his elders at WFA level and by the Champion sire in Snitzel. I can't think of an Australian colt to retire this season with anywhere near the level of Trapeze Artist's achievements.

It's also worth remembering what he did to the likes of Menari, Pariah & Merchant Navy in the Golden Rose where he won by over 4 lengths from the widest barrier. As Gerald Ryan says; 'when he lets rip there isn't a sprinter in the world that of could of went with him".

The four-time Group 1 winner Trapeze Artist, who won the Golden Rose Stakes (Gr 1, 1400m) in 2017, showcased his talent in open company 12 months ago when he claimed the T J Smith Stakes (Gr 1, 1200m) in Race record time and broke the Randwick 1400 Track Record in the All Aged Stakes (Gr 1, 1400m) during a stellar autumn campaign.

Vieira, despite plenty of interest from studs following Trapeze Artist's three-year-old season, elected to race the Gerald Ryan-trained sprinter on at four, with the son of Snitzel (Redoute's Choice) finishing runner-up in the $13 million The Everest (1200m) last October before crowning his career with a track record breaking victory in the Canterbury Stakes (Gr 1, 1300m) this March.

Earlier this month, Widden Stud announced that Blue Diamond Stakes (Gr 1, 1200m) winner Written By (Written Tycoon) would be joining Trapeze Artist on the roster this year at a fee of $22,500 + GST.

Thompson describes the son of Written Tycoon as a huge coup for the stud.

"Written By is an awesome individual. Strong, imposing and perfectly suited to the Australian market which is key for commercial success. He's a Group One winning, Champion 2yo by one of Australia's leading speed sires and is completely free of Danehill blood. He profiles up ideally particularly for breeders with Redoute's line mares given his duplication of Best In Show. We feel he's an enormous chance and we're thrilled to stand him with Neville Begg & his family."

Consistent sire Nicconi (Bianconi), a mainstay of the Widden Stud roster this decade, also celebrated his biggest success in his career to date when his brilliant son Nature Strip won The Galaxy (Gr 1, 1100m) in March and yearlings sold for up to $420,000 at the Magic Millions. As a result, has had a minor service fee increase to $35,000 + GST.

Star Witness (Starcraft), whose Group 3-winning, Golden Rose Stakes-placed colt Graff has been flying the flag for his sire this season, will stand for $25,000 + GST. He is currently inside the top 20 leading Australian sires with 93 individual winners this season and prize-money earnings of more than $5.1 million.

Widden Stud was dealt a blow with the sudden death of its flagship stallion Sebring (More Than Ready) but in a small consolation his Group 1-placed son Supido will start his second season on the roster this year at a fee of $9,000 + GST after covering 116 mares last year.

Your Song (Fastnet Rock), who will have his largest crop of yearlings set for sale next year in his six seasons at stud, will stand for $12,500 + GST.

While Cox Plate (Gr 1, 2040m) winner Shamus Award (Snitzel), whose oldest crop are three-year-olds, fresh from siring a stakes winner on Saturday when Classic Weiwei took out the Port Adelaide Guineas (Listed, 1800m) at Morphettville. will stand for $10,000 + GST.

Group 1 winner Stratum Star, a son of Widden's late sire Stratum (Redoute's Choice), will stand for $9,000 + GST in his third season at stud while fellow unproven sire Outreach (Exceed And Excel), the brother to 2013 Golden Slipper Stakes (Gr 1, 1200m) winner Overreach, will stand for $7,000 + GST.


WIDDEN STALLION ROSTER 2019

ZOUSTAR (Northern Meteor) $154,000
TRAPEZE ARTIST (Snitzel) New $99,000
NICCONI (Bianconi) $38,500
STAR WITNESS (Starcraft) $27,500
WRITTEN BY (Written Tycoon) New $24,750
YOUR SONG (Fastnet Rock) $13,750
SHAMUS AWARD (Snitzel) $11,000
SUPIDO (Sebring) $9,900
STRATUM STAR (Stratum) $9,900
OUTREACH (Exceed And Excel) $7,700

*All fees inclusive of GST

Couldn't agree more.

Nicconi - successful sire, however with six crops of racing age has returned just one Gp 1 winner and has never finished higher that 17th on the general sires list.  $44,000 - no thanks.

Zoustar going great guns, but surely $99,000 would be tops.

And as for Trapeze Artist, surely $55,000 - $66,000 for a first season stallion with his credentials.

But no doubt they'll all be fully booked, even if about 70% of breeders will ultimately fail to recover their outlay.

Normally first season sires are propped up by getting their 40 shareholders 2 noms each, which is 80. Then they only need 100 outside mares. No one owns shares in TA so they genuinely need 180 people (less however many Widden rights there are and Veira will send)

It's insane.

Zoustar I agree would be fair at 99.

TA I was in no way expecting more than 66, and felt 55 was realistic with a hint of overpriced.

Darley never sent any of their mares to Holler, I really like Hallowed Crown but he's totally on the nose for breeders and buyers alike, Reset would be attractive to many Vics if he moves to a smaller stud where he could receive plenty of help and attention, and never liked Kuroshio.

Fwiw.  

At a guess I'd say around $6.6k.

So presumably there could be up to 80 or so actually opening their wallets on a buyer beware basis.

Which at a conservative 75% fertility rate would return Viera about $5.4m per season.

Lady Upstage is of course the mother of the wonderful Shaftesbury Avenue.

Pierata not retiring this year and targeted towards the Everest

It is great to see an owner give to a jockey who was great for them and has lost so much.  But the racing industry is full of characters who are generous to the extreme.  Horses can bring out the best in so many people.  Hope the stallion can go on with the job and give Angland a good salary for years to come.

Thanks for that info Robbo.  I was just going to ask what the nom sold for. Who bought do you know ?