Handed it to her on a platter
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Topic: Handed it to her on a platter
Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Subject: Handed it to her on a platter
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:05pm
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That race was a joke, completely set up so she would win. ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
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Posted By: Atreus
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:07pm
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Looked like she could get caught in an awkward spot early But then they all got out of her way and left her alone in a perfect spot for her
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Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:08pm
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Waller should appear in front of the stewards after that. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:08pm
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Definitely dodgy. Racing is rigged. Money talks |
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:10pm
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Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:10pm
| What are you all talking about. I backed Benbatl to win 5 figures. Winx was just way too good. |
Posted By: tillyras
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:11pm
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They just got out of her way. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:11pm
There's always someone who's unhappy.  For some reason finding entirely elusive reasons to be just that.  Go jump off a pier.
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Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:13pm
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Second Chance wrote:Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:13pm
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She won. Be happy for the horse. We will never see this happen again. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:13pm
Agree. Right horse won no doubt but if I were an owner of D’Argento I’d be filthy. Has he ever been ridden that way? Sacrificial lamb. |
Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:15pm
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Beat me to it. It’s outrageous, if I were an owner,there’d be a scene |
Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:16pm
| change of tactics announced ? |
Posted By: Softy
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:17pm
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Yes I wonder what djebel thought of that. They would never dream of such tactics in Europe.  Enjoy her for what she is. She could of sat 5 wide the trip and won. 
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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:22pm
It was announced he would be ridden like that. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:23pm
| Settles back he still runs 5th or so. |
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:32pm
| I'm interested how getting Godolphin, Weir, O'Brien and the Pittmans to agree to let her win seems more logical then a horse unbeaten since the '15 autumn being to good for them again. |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:42pm
Jog on.
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:42pm
| Just a bunch of sore losers |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:43pm
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No Pace in the race so something had to be in front. To suggest anything untoward is plain madness. The Worlds best middle distance performer , with 28 straight wins , was always going to beat that lot. She was at half pace , apart from 50 m in the straight . Accept her for being the champion she is . |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:45pm
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:48pm
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Yeah mate, they all got together over a beer/wineand conspired to hand the race to the great mare. Don't know if Aiden was present or on phone relay from Northern Island, however he was apparently supping Guinness. As for the Middle Eastern guys, in the absence of alcohol they probably tried some Khashoggi Red.
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:49pm
| Sounds like a good party. Where was my invite |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:50pm
| Actually on the way nothing was coming come other than a three year old filly it was the place to be. That is called riding to the track. Give it a break Why oh why do you even follow racing when you can't enjoy something special and unique. |
Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:52pm
I’m not suggesting it changed the result, but if you don’t think it’s suspicious that the first time a stablemate just happens to reverse its racing pattern........ |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:52pm
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:53pm
| Hang on, no ones arguing she wouldn’t or shouldn’t have won. But Waller should have some questions to answer. Doubt he will. |
Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:55pm
| Come on really. It's not like he was leading by lengths. |
Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:56pm
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Most definitely would’ve still won. Just the way the race was set up for her but the stable mate. If Dargento was mine I would be sacking Waller. No way was he given a chance in the race, he was ridden to set it up for the mare. ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:58pm
Humor, let alone common sense, has sadly and forever escaped you Sneck. Most of us celebrate the day and the win, but not you. Sad really. ps did you get much business as a fast food stall employee at Randwick today?
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Posted By: Heavy10
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 6:59pm
Why? They announced change of tactics |
Posted By: Discohips23
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:00pm
| No wonder Waller didn’t run The Autumn Sun. The way D’Argento set the race up, he would have been very hard to hold out carrying 7.5kgs less than Winx. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:02pm
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Happened again in the last
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:04pm
To settle closer, apparently. Looks like they had the intention of leading. |
Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:05pm
Small correction. Probably at his training base in County Tipperary in the southern part of Ireland at Ballydoyle. I don't think he conspires much and would be pretty happy how some of his horses have been performing Down Under. BTW I'm currently on my last assignment in my career - and its in Ireland. Was at Naas on Sunday and saw his son win..... Cheers. Will have to come back to OZ and do some conspiring.
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Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:06pm
The horse jumped in front and was on the fence, the race had no natural leader, doesn't matter what pace he would have run at it was clear nothing showed the intent to lead him, if he tried to tug him back everyone would be screaming that he's making the horse pull despite being a leader bias and gifting the race to Winx. 
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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:10pm
| It made sense on a leader's bias track to take an outsider to the front. Do you really think it's going to come from behind and outsprint Winx? |
Posted By: Heavy10
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:16pm
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Frankel had a pacemaker didn't he?
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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:16pm
This is why there are wars ------------- Victor Orban 1.74 m, Michael Bloomberg 1.73 m, Emmanual Macron 1.77 m, George Soros 1.8 m |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:17pm
| I don’t think anyone thought he would come from behind and beat Winx. Perhaps owners (and punters in Winx out markets, tris etc) might have expected better than a 10 L second last. |
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:31pm
It was reported prior to the race that the stablemate would race further forward, he fired out of the barriers and nothing else wanted to be there early so what else could the jockey do? Also he set a decent pace but he hardly scorched the turf, lets face it he would never beat Winx from behind her, so this was probably his best way to pull off the upset but in reality this race was probably a class above him. Suspect you'll find the clown when you next look in the mirror. 
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:45pm
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Exactly.
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Posted By: Donald Hiltonson
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 7:46pm
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I doubt Dargento leading made it any easier for Winx particularly. If anything it gave Benbatl a nice run in behind the leaders. Either way she still wins. Dargento tried something different as long shots often do on a leader biased track but just not good enough. Finished about where the market said it would, as did most runners. I don’t see the fuss. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 8:03pm
Good place for this misbegotten thread. ps Sneck seems to have gone missing after either overlooking or ignoring the announced pre-race change of tactics for D'Argento, or maybe busy counting the fast-food till (needless to say under strict surveillance).
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Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 8:07pm
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Why is this in the laundry basket? Is this not a racing forum? And a racing subject? ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 8:12pm
Maybe because you started the thread talking absolute rubbish, and posts haven't improved a whole lot since? 
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 8:18pm
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And indeed not dissimilar to your nonsensical comment about Big Duke being allegedly slaughtered in the Metrop. Funny, he was extremely ordinary before that race, didn't give a yelp during it, and has been unsurprisingly awful since.
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Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 8:25pm
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Did you watch the Metropolitan at all? Go and watch the replay. The ride has ruined the horses prep. ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 8:26pm
Then why on earth was he well backed? And why was the trainer absolutely fuming about the ride? ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 8:27pm
| What on Earth is going on here, Gai? It’s a reasonable discussion. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 8:30pm
that’s what I thought. Like it or not, It’s being discussed heavily on twitter and other places. Shoved to a dark corner here 
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 8:42pm
Ok Weir might have been fuming after the horse had a cheap but unsuccessful run in the Metrop after being 10th or 12th throughout, but what about his run in Melbourne immediately thereafter where he was beaten a half-hour in the Herbert Power? He didn't give a yelp that day, so why would you expect much different today particularly after beating 12 and being beaten by 42 at his prior four starts? And as for Winx being handed today's race on a platter, give us a #*! break
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 8:45pm
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ps this was the first post in this thread: "that race was a joke, completely set up so she would win". That simply insults what little intelligence some of us have.
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 8:48pm
| Some people just have NFI |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 9:01pm
Never had your intelligence insulted in here, SC? Jeepers. Absolutely nothing wrong with the thread- not insulting or defamatory. Extremely precious that it gets punted.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 9:04pm
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How was Morphettville today Judge?
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 9:12pm
| Actually down at West Lakes for the rowing. Watched the Cox Plate on my iphone- told them I had an incoming call- I think they swallowed it. I think that might be the first G1 I've actually watched live this Spring. Yyyyep...it's a good life. |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 9:17pm
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What was the pace like compared to average? If I owned the grey and was shooting for the chance of a fluker's win that's the way I would want him ridden ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 9:20pm
| About 10L quicker than the Vase. |