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Topic: Victorian Gangs
Posted By: djebel
Subject: Victorian Gangs
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 4:51pm
What the kiss is going on down there ?

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 4:53pm
Dancing on eggshells, don't want to appear racist !


Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Dancing on eggshells, don't want to appear racist !


rubbish, I have heard African 100 times on radio today


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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:12pm
BANG =    Get them off the Streets ...    END OF STORY.

Imagine living in the midst of it.        > Western Sydney isn't real good either.
I daren't say it may have improved since I left , as that would be used in evidence against me.     


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:18pm
Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Dancing on eggshells, don't want to appear racist !


rubbish, I have heard African 100 times on radio today
yeah... but I bet you have not heard them being called "nig nogs" !

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:20pm
Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Dancing on eggshells, don't want to appear racist !


rubbish, I have heard African 100 times on radio today


And I am guessing the only people yelling racism are those not affected.

I know it is the same people on twitter taking up arms on both sides meanwhile nothing is done about the actual issue.



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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:24pm

Stats shed light on problem

Data from Victoria's Crime Statistics Agency, below, shows an overrepresentation of Sudanese-born and Kenyan-born offenders in some crime categories, proportional to their Victorian populations.

They also show a sharp rise in Sudanese-born offenders involved in armed robberies, from 20 in the 2014-15 financial year to 98 two years later.

However, the statistics also show that a Victorian is more than 25 times more likely to be seriously assaulted by someone born in Australia or New Zealand than someone born in Sudan or Kenya.

They are almost five times more likely to be the victim of an aggravated burglary committed by an Australian or New Zealand-born offender, than one born in Sudan or Kenya.

According to Census figures, people born in Sudan make up about 0.1 per cent of Victoria's population. The Kenyan-born population in Victoria is about the half the size of the Sudanese-born population.

Serious assault

Alleged offender's country of birth2014-152015-162016-17
Australia1,6991,5761,462
New Zealand877591
Sudan295045
Kenya41015

Aggravated burglary

Alleged offender's country of birth2014-152015-162016-17
Australia182504540
New Zealand≤ 3628
Sudan205398
Kenya≤ 31720

Non-aggravated burglary

Alleged offender's country of birth2014-152015-162016-17
Australia2,1661,6701,773
New Zealand323369
Sudan572954
Kenya10≤ 317

Motor vehicle theft

Alleged offender's country of birth2014-152015-162016-17
Australia2,0212,2112,078
New Zealand63141151
Sudan818081
Kenya53521

Sexual offences

Alleged offender's country of birth2014-152015-162016-17
Australia317379361
New Zealand≤ 38≤ 3
Sudan596
All other countries312721

Source: Crime Statistics Agency (Victoria)



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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:24pm
You'd hate to think there was differential policing going on, Turnbull appears to suggest so, how else could a "problem" not being attended to, happen ? Or maybe Malcolm sees a vote in it somewhere.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:25pm

African gangs in Melbourne are a problem, police admit, as Victorian Government defends strategy

By  http://www.abc.net.au/news/brad-ryan/6017770" rel="nofollow - Brad Ryan  and  http://www.abc.net.au/news/guy-stayner/2818950" rel="nofollow - Guy Stayner

Updated 17 minutes ago

Victorian police have conceded Melbourne has a problem with African street gangs, after earlier insisting there were no gangs in the city, as the State Government rejects criticism it has dropped the ball on the problem.

Police Minister Lisa Neville today defended the Government's handling of youth crime after the Federal Government yesterday said "African gang crime" was out of control in Melbourne because of lenient state policies.

The issue has become a priority for both major parties after a series of recent headline-grabbing crimes blamed on groups of young African men, including  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-20/werribee-airbnb-party-police-pelted-with-rocks/9275064" rel="nofollow - the trashing of an Airbnb property in Werribee , vandalism in Tarneit and a night of violence at St Kilda Beach involving dozens of youths.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-01/car-damaged-in-werribee/9296564" rel="nofollow">A cars front windshield is smashed by partygoers in Werribee. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-01/car-damaged-in-werribee/9296564" rel="nofollow -

Just days after Victoria Police Deputy Commissioner Andrew Crisp said he did "not accept for a minute that we do have gangs", Acting Chief Commissioner Shane Patton said there were African street gangs in Melbourne.

"We have for a significant period of time said that there is an issue with overrepresentation by African youth in serious and violent offending as well as public disorder issues," Acting Commissioner Patton said.

"These young thugs, these young criminals, they're not an organised crime group like a Middle Eastern organised crime group or an outlaw motorcycle gang. But they're behaving like street gangs, so let's call them that — that's what they are."

More frontline police

Ms Neville said most African migrants were law-abiding citizens, but "this core group of African youths are causing huge fear".

She said Victoria Police noticed youth offending "go to a new level" in 2016, and the State Government responded by:

  • adding resources to the gangs squad and special operations group
  • recruiting 3,135 additional frontline police
  • funding an intelligence system, bulletproof vehicles and other technology and resources.
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"These resource are having an impact," Ms Neville said.

"We have seen substantial breaking up of a number of the networked youth offenders in other parts of the state.

"We've seen  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-14/signficant-downward-trend-in-victorian-crime-rate/9257686" rel="nofollow - the biggest decrease in the crime rate in over a decade ."

Ms Neville said upcoming changes to the Youth Parole Board meant police would be informed when young people were paroled, and conditions would be placed on parolees to prevent reoffending.

A program that started in November was also targeting repeat offenders with intensive, individual case management, she said.

'Out of control'

Yesterday, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said the Government was concerned about "growing gang violence and lawlessness" in Melbourne, and frontbencher Greg Hunt said "African gang crime in some areas in particular is clearly out of control".

With a state election less than a year away, the federal Coalition is pushing the merits of its Victorian counterparts' law-and-order policy, including  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-11/mandatory-minimum-sentences-victorian-opposition-proposal/8433096" rel="nofollow - a pledge to introduce mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders  behind crimes such as home invasions, armed robberies and aggravated car-jackings.

Ms Neville expressed disappointment that the Prime Minister had weighed in on the issue.

"I'd appreciate maybe the Commonwealth Government focusing on some other issues like how we provide migration support to immigrants coming in to our community, stop cutting youth employment programs that are also so critical, TAFE programs, university, all of those things that are so critical to really getting to some of the root causes of this issue, rather than playing politics of this nature."

Sudanese youth mentor Nelly Yoa is also critical of the State Government.

"The punishments are not harsh enough. The Victorian Government has been so lenient on youth offending," he told ABC News this morning.

But another Sudanese community leader, Richard Deng, said the Prime Minister should be more supportive of the State Government's efforts.

"[The] African community shouldn't be used as a political tool to win [an] election," he said.

Ahmed Hassan, the director of an organisation that helps marginalised young people, said the proportion of African youths involved in crime was a small minority.

"We seemingly don't have an African gang problem — what we do have is young people who are disadvantaged, who are disengaged, a young cohort who are coming together that are causing this mischievous activity," said Mr Hassan, who runs the Youth Activating Youth program.

Shadow attorney-general John Pesutto said the Government should drop Youth Control Orders — a sentencing option requiring young offenders to take part in education or work and comply with conditions such as curfews.

"Now is not the time to be introducing measures from Daniel Andrews that will make it easier … for violent offenders to remain out on the street," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-02/detectives-in-werribee-after-partygoers-cause-damage/9298804" rel="nofollow">Detectives at the scene after partygoers trash a house in Werribee. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-02/detectives-in-werribee-after-partygoers-cause-damage/9298804" rel="nofollow -


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:30pm
Probably no room in the jails, explains a lot of leniency.


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:30pm
What's the point of those stats PT ? Bit like saying you are more likely to be bitten by an ant than a brown snake !

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:31pm
The chain gang is badly needed, the weeds need chipping.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:33pm
Ok it's a problem, but more socially and economically based as presumably is a key response.

The State Opposition's "answer"?

a. more cops. hello, hello, police numbers have increased far more under the Andrews Govt than its coalition predecessor, and crime rates generally have since decreased significantly.
b. mandatory sentencing.  hello, hello - been there, done that, tried and failed. 



 


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:35pm
Try using "economics" as an excuse in a trial, SC. That is a numpty excuse.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Ok it's a problem, but more socially and economically based as presumably is a key response.

The State Opposition's "answer"?

a. more cops. hello, hello, police numbers have increased far more under the Andrews Govt than its coalition predecessor, and crime rates generally have since decreased significantly.
b. mandatory sentencing.  hello, hello - been there, done that, tried and failed. 



 



Where I work there are a core group of youths who have absolutely no fear of the Police. They will brazenly tell an officer to kiss off.

I can only assume these kids have no fear of the consequences of their actions.



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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:38pm
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Ok it's a problem, but more socially and economically based as presumably is a key response.

The State Opposition's "answer"?

a. more cops. hello, hello, police numbers have increased far more under the Andrews Govt than its coalition predecessor, and crime rates generally have since decreased significantly.
b. mandatory sentencing.  hello, hello - been there, done that, tried and failed. 



 
The solution is very easy imo. You advertise that after a certain date....say 2 months ahead... ..that the need 10 Sudanese gang members to be convicted of serious assault or worse will be immediately deported back to Sudan....all expenses paid. Would improve overnight

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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:38pm
STATISTICS can be made to lie in most cases.

If anyone is thick enough to suggest the Sudanese & Muslim Cults are not over represented in our crime areas = they are NUTS.

The "good" members of these peoples are insignificant in the overall scheme of things.     The same as the majority of the peoples of Germany & Japan were when some 70 million lost their lives.

Unfortunately too many will never integrate or accept the culture of their adopted land so it's , gloves off .    They are all the enemy.

They can denounce and move or else ,    > in my perfect world.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

You'd hate to think there was differential policing going on, Turnbull appears to suggest so, how else could a "problem" not being attended to, happen ? Or maybe Malcolm sees a vote in it somewhere.

Malcolm sees it as an opportunity to lobby towards putting Duttons Brown Shirts and his new super Homeland Security portfolio in charge of State policing of certain situations, as I posted last week in the Flinders Street attack


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:41pm
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Ok it's a problem, but more socially and economically based as presumably is a key response.

The State Opposition's "answer"?

a. more cops. hello, hello, police numbers have increased far more under the Andrews Govt than its coalition predecessor, and crime rates generally have since decreased significantly.
b. mandatory sentencing.  hello, hello - been there, done that, tried and failed. 



 
The solution is very easy imo. You advertise that after a certain date....say 2 months ahead... ..that the need 10 Sudanese gang members to be convicted of serious assault or worse will be immediately deported back to Sudan....all expenses paid. Would improve overnight


Not sure I go along with that.

They are rightfully our problem now.

The punishment should be severe enough that whether they are white brindle on black they will give it more thought.



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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:42pm
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Ok it's a problem, but more socially and economically based as presumably is a key response.

The State Opposition's "answer"?

a. more cops. hello, hello, police numbers have increased far more under the Andrews Govt than its coalition predecessor, and crime rates generally have since decreased significantly.
b. mandatory sentencing.  hello, hello - been there, done that, tried and failed. 



 
The solution is very easy imo. You advertise that after a certain date....say 2 months ahead... ..that the need 10 Sudanese gang members to be convicted of serious assault or worse will be immediately deported back to Sudan....all expenses paid. Would improve overnight
The same strategy would also work well for all major crime. Just hang the next 10 car thiefs & the problem will disappear overnight . Small price to pay ( as long as your not one of the 10 )

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:44pm
Wondered why Federal politician Greg (you say jump, I simply ask just how high) Huntsought to involve himself in what the PM is attempting to make a State issue. Confused


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

STATISTICS can be made to lie in most cases.

If anyone is thick enough to suggest the Sudanese & Muslim Cults are not over represented in our crime areas = they are NUTS.

The "good" members of these peoples are insignificant in the overall scheme of things.     The same as the majority of the peoples of Germany & Japan were when some 70 million lost their lives.

Unfortunately too many will never integrate or accept the culture of their adopted land so it's , gloves off .    They are all the enemy.

They can denounce and move or else ,    > in my perfect world.

No, the sins of others should not be visited on the law-abiding. The riff-raff element would probably expect to be mowed down by AK-47's back in Sudan, so the comparative "softly, softly" approach here emboldens them no end.


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:51pm
I think we need to start a TBV Star Chamber. Leftards need not apply !

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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:53pm
Whatever it takes...    Simple.

( Old Call) Indonesia's Drug Lords don't offend again.

Australia holds candle lit dawn services in their honour or in Labor's case = Marries them.

They brag how they have stopped SP betting = Reduced cigarette Smoking but find the things that really matter beyond them .

Jill Meagher , Young Morcombe , Anita Cobby , the Milat victims, Martin Place , and so many others who have suffered and died would feel let down.
CRIME CONTINUES out of control FOR ONE REASON ONLY ...   WE ALLOW IT TO.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 5:56pm
Jail space very limited, and the courts know it.


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 6:03pm
Then build more Gaols =   Simple .

   Try some tough hard labour ---    Building a pipeline from up North to dry areas.      call it the chain gang or whatever you like .

This will be the NT thread repeating itself . ( $60000 compensation )
SICKENING ..   Those BXstards needed another belt in the head.
Get real ..    they aren't easy to handle and to give compensation is encouraging more crime .'
Those Royal Commissioners need the noose too.
We reap as we sow.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 6:10pm
I am all for more jails, especially where prisoners work, rather than swap tips for crime.


Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Dancing on eggshells, don't want to appear racist !


rubbish, I have heard African 100 times on radio today
yeah... but I bet you have not heard them being called "nig nogs" !


ho hum, keep confirming what a d'head sniper you are Thumbs Up


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Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 7:45pm
Not too long back we were talking about how well those African immigrants were doing in the farming areas of Nth NSW. Sudanese maybe, I don't recall.
Their community had problems handling the city life in Sydney because they came from farming backgrounds.

Maybe the African immigrants in Melbourne have similar problems? Surely the state premiers can work together on these issues.



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Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 7:54pm
Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Not too long back we were talking about how well those African immigrants were doing in the farming areas of Nth NSW. Sudanese maybe, I don't recall.
Their community had problems handling the city life in Sydney because they came from farming backgrounds.

Maybe the African immigrants in Melbourne have similar problems? Surely the state premiers can work together on these issues.


Refugees yearn for space

Meanwhile in Sydney, refugee advocate Emmanuel Musoni was grappling with problems in his community from central Africa. They had been displaced from Rwanda and neighbouring countries during years of bitter civil war.

The majority had rural backgrounds before having to flee their homes for refugee camps.

"If you ask them, 'What was your dream when you applied to come to Australia and boarded the plane,' they say, 'We hoped we were going to be put in the countryside, to connect ourselves with agricultural life and have a garden'," Mr Musoni said.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-07/how-african-refugees-are-reinvigorating-mingoola/7970876" rel="nofollow - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-07/how-african-refugees-are-reinvigorating-mingoola/7970876



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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 8:06pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Jail space very limited, and the courts know it.


Why not deportation?

Or is that just not Oztraylyan to do?


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 8:07pm
Perhaps the racing industry can come to the rescue ?




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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 8:24pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Ok it's a problem, but more socially and economically based as presumably is a key response.

The State Opposition's "answer"?

a. more cops. hello, hello, police numbers have increased far more under the Andrews Govt than its coalition predecessor, and crime rates generally have since decreased significantly.
b. mandatory sentencing.  hello, hello - been there, done that, tried and failed. 



 



Where I work there are a core group of youths who have absolutely no fear of the Police. They will brazenly tell an officer to kiss off.

I can only assume these kids have no fear of the consequences of their actions.



and thats why the old method of policing should be allowed back.   a good kick up the bum and a smack around the ear.  take them home and then dad will dish out the same..
oh no.  hang on.  nowadays parents dont believe in giving their nasty little jerks a smack.  dad is probably as bad as his kids. 




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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 8:31pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Perhaps the racing industry can come to the rescue ?



What, get them to walk behind a horse ?


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Perhaps the racing industry can come to the rescue ?



What, get them to walk behind a horse ?


No.  Make them shovel s**t.   
Serious !  Who would want these sickos anywhere near a horse. 


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Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Jail space very limited, and the courts know it.


Why not deportation?

Or is that just not Oztraylyan to do?

Dont bother sending them to Hungary
We dont allow ungrateful scum to enter Hungary. Thumbs Up


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 9:15pm
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Perhaps the racing industry can come to the rescue ?



What, get them to walk behind a horse ?


No.  Make them shovel s**t.   
Serious !  Who would want these sickos anywhere near a horse. 

Hold on, If you have read one or two posts people are saying they are more at home in the agricultural industry.

Racing people and their love of cheap labour should could possibly find them something to do ?




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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 9:18pm
Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Jail space very limited, and the courts know it.


Why not deportation?

Or is that just not Oztraylyan to do?

Dont bother sending them to Hungary
We dont allow ungrateful scum to enter Hungary. Thumbs Up


The English allowed you into Australia Smile


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 9:23pm
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Ok it's a problem, but more socially and economically based as presumably is a key response.

The State Opposition's "answer"?

a. more cops. hello, hello, police numbers have increased far more under the Andrews Govt than its coalition predecessor, and crime rates generally have since decreased significantly.
b. mandatory sentencing.  hello, hello - been there, done that, tried and failed. 



 
The solution is very easy imo. You advertise that after a certain date....say 2 months ahead... ..that the need 10 Sudanese gang members to be convicted of serious assault or worse will be immediately deported back to Sudan....all expenses paid. Would improve overnight
The same strategy would also work well for all major crime. Just hang the next 10 car thiefs & the problem will disappear overnight . Small price to pay ( as long as your not one of the 10 )




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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 9:46pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Try using "economics" as an excuse in a trial, SC. That is a numpty excuse.




It should not be used as a mitigating circumstance in sentencing but if you actually believe it plays no part well I know who the numpty is. What is the crime rate in Ascot compared to say Redbank or Woodridge?


Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:19pm
Does anyone here actually live around the Sudanese and their darling offspring? I do. PT your stats are a pathetic cop out tactic as usual produced by the usual suspect apologist public servants without a clue. They wont solve the daily carjackings, muggings, house raids and shop robberies in my neighbourhood. These crimes aren't being committed by NZ'ers or Aussies either. Kids from Sudan recreating Grand Theft Auto are a menace to our community in the west of Melbourne. The stats lie and are politically charged BS. We have a police copter in the air chasing down offenders virtually every night at times.
 
Just in the square mile around my house we've had a pre school blown up, the bakery robbed, car theft through the roof, multiple muggings, house raids galore, a war with locals at the pub ( guess who lost? ), a neighbour and his 12 yr old boy bashed for their car and my own nephew robbed of a pushbike at knifepoint. Unfortunately for those scumbags the bike wasn't his, it was mine.
 
We knew who took the bike and they made no secret of where they lived when robbing my nephew. We called the cops and took them to the house where the boy saw the bike taken through the front door. The cops went and knocked, got a fekk off response from the inhabitants and left it at that. They took no further action. I decided to go around and sort it out myself. Knocked on door, belted first clown to open door and saw bike in hallway behind him. Took bike, another three clowns scattered and I gave another a good clip.
 
Half an hour later guess who was back on my doorstep? Yep the clowns had called the cops. Same pair who attended earlier turned up and I gave them a spray. No further action was taken and cops were apologetic when I produced the previously stolen bike and proof of ownership. Said there was little they could do in the circumstances. Their hands are tied etc etc.  Those clowns moved out of the neighbourhood very soon after. They were made to feel most unwelcome by all the locals who knew exactly what had happened.  
 
 
Come to the front line any time and take a few notes for yourself. Stop googling BS from the safety of your keyboard.


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:25pm
Naaah, PT prefers his one muslim barista in the hinterlands,  where there are no Sudanese.   Cry



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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:29pm
The 7:30 host on ABC brought up the same lame excuse, that the African offenders were well outnumbered by non-African offenders. The woman she was interviewing, succinctly made the point that the offending was completely out of proportion to their numbers, and they are a small segment of the total population. It seems to be the way of "progressives" these days to automatically downplay the race angle, regardless of the facts on the ground.


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:29pm
Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Jail space very limited, and the courts know it.


Why not deportation?

Or is that just not Oztraylyan to do?

Dont bother sending them to Hungary
We dont allow ungrateful scum to enter Hungary. Thumbs Up



why do you keep saying   "we "    in regards to Hungary ?   like you live there ?    when your ID says  you are in Melb.  Confused  ???? 
either you live in Melbourne ???   or Hungary ????  which is it ??  


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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:32pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

The 7:30 host on ABC brought up the same lame excuse, that the African offenders were well outnumbered by non-African offenders. The woman she was interviewing, succinctly made the point that the offending was completely out of proportion to their numbers, and they are a small segment of the total population. It seems to be the way of "progressives" these days to automatically downplay the race angle, regardless of the facts on the ground.


Now now now !!   Thats very PC and racist !!!Big smile 
And thats exactly whats wrong with it all now.
Not allowed to face up to the very basic facts and call a spade a spade. 


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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:35pm
Good one TB. Should be more of it ----     . Much the same in South Western Sydney .
Police are terrified with their jobs on the line and Fools of the judiciary handing out compensation.
Criminal when you think about it..     Same rubbish with the indigenous population in out of control areas ( as seen in NT ).
Something has to give .


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:37pm
I don't think I've ever seen a bigger case of biting the hand that fed them, U wonder what the experience has been elsewhere in the world, where these refugees were accepted. 


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Good one TB. Should be more of it ----     . Much the same in South Western Sydney .
Police are terrified with their jobs on the line and Fools of the judiciary handing out compensation.
Criminal when you think about it..     Same rubbish with the indigenous population in out of control areas ( as seen in NT ).
Something has to give .
Similar problems do exist with aboriginals in places like Cairns, with car theft rampant. Imagine what that has done to car insurance premiums. Politicians don't care, it is political death to be seen as rocking the racial harmony boat, no matter if it is taking water.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:43pm
The BAD kids in my area are not indigenous and are not Sudanese.

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Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:46pm
You got all the bad Kiwis and Aussies up there D? Someone had to have em.
 


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:47pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

The BAD kids in my area are not indigenous and are not Sudanese.
Doesn't matter if criminals are black, white, or brindle, apply the law equally and there should not be a problem. You can't tell me this stuff in Melbourne, particularly, has not been helped along by soft-pedalling.
 



Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:50pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

The BAD kids in my area are not indigenous and are not Sudanese.
Doesn't matter if criminals are black, white, or brindle, apply the law equally and there should not be a problem. You can't tell me this stuff in Melbourne, particularly, has not been helped along by soft-pedalling.
 


ALL kids and older teenagers are treated with kid gloves. As I said earlier they have absolutely no fear of the consequences. 

I doubt Sudanese trouble makers are being treated any differently to anglo saxon trouble makers.




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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 10:58pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

The BAD kids in my area are not indigenous and are not Sudanese.
Doesn't matter if criminals are black, white, or brindle, apply the law equally and there should not be a problem. You can't tell me this stuff in Melbourne, particularly, has not been helped along by soft-pedalling.
 


ALL kids and older teenagers are treated with kid gloves. As I said earlier they have absolutely no fear of the consequences. 

I doubt Sudanese trouble makers are being treated any differently to anglo saxon trouble makers.


An indictment of police, courts, and politicians. There is simply no detention space available even if a get-tough regime was implemented. One looks at amazement at car thieving joy-riders causing serious accidents, trying then to car-jack another vehicle, and then with even more amazement see them released back on the street on bail the next day. What a total failure the system has become.


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 1:23am
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

You'd hate to think there was differential policing going on, Turnbull appears to suggest so, how else could a "problem" not being attended to, happen ? Or maybe Malcolm sees a vote in it somewhere.

Malcolm sees it as an opportunity to lobby towards putting Duttons Brown Shirts and his new super Homeland Security portfolio in charge of State policing of certain situations, as I posted last week in the Flinders Street attack

Well Sir Veil-lance sure ain't getting it done!Embarrassed 


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 1:35am
Here we go again, putting band aids on broken bones! ... should be stopping this infiltration of Black Muslim gangs before they get here ... white lives matter!!!

Admittedly, the People's Rebublic of Victoria, under Daniel "Safe Schools" Andrews, has the most piss weak policing policies in the known universe, and the Police need to be given instructions to shoot some home invaders and car-jackers immediately, regardless of colour or religion, or mental state!

More importantly, we can nip the problem in the bud, by stopping the importation of young Muslim men from war torn, lawless environments, and just dumping them amongst their own gang members!

Nobody is doing any planning, and until there is something in place, what would be wrong with a simple, targeted travel ban!?Confused 


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 1:39am
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

The BAD kids in my area are not indigenous and are not Sudanese.

Out of interest, where is your area, and what constitutes a "bad" kid in your area djebel?


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 1:43am
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

The 7:30 host on ABC brought up the same lame excuse, that the African offenders were well outnumbered by non-African offenders. The woman she was interviewing, succinctly made the point that the offending was completely out of proportion to their numbers, and they are a small segment of the total population. It seems to be the way of "progressives" these days to automatically downplay the race angle, regardless of the facts on the ground.

If people become aware of these problems (they WONT if they watch ABC/SBS, etc), then they will demand that the government stops importing them, and that's one less victim group for the "progressives" to pander to, less public service money required, less jobs for unproductive SJWs ... it all starts to unravel for them!!!Cry


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 1:43am
These people can be stopped.
Giving them $60000 isn't the way.
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BATHURST GAOL AND THE
ROYAL COMMISSION INTO
PRISONS — A SUMMARY BY THE
PRISONERS' ACTION GROUP
WHY HAVE A SUMMARY AT THIS TIME?
Many people have asked us, "How’s the Royal Commission going? You don’t see much about it in the papers." "Do you people think it will have any effect on what happens in the gaols?" and, of course, "What does the Prisoners Action Group really
think of the inquiry?". To answer the questions constantly asked of us we have put together this summary of the inquiry — as it relates to Bathurst gaol. In it we have
also included a precis of the events leading up to the inquiry, plus the actions of the groups and individuals involved with the early call for an inquiry into the gaols and
those who opposed it. We’ll also discuss the conduct of the inquiry and what, we
believe, will be the aftermath of the Royal Commission.
We do this whilst the Royal Commissioner, Mr. Justice John Nagle, and his associates busy themselves with the writing of the final report and recommendations which are due to be handed to the Governor on the 24th December, 1977 — nearly
four (4) years after Bathurst Gaol was destroyed by fire and some of its prisoners were tear gassed (after they had surrendered) and then forced to run through a gauntlet of baton wielding warders; seven years, two months and four days after over two hundred prisoners in Bathurst Gaol had been "systematically flogged" by warders who told the Royal Commission that the floggings represented "official policy"; and thirty-four years and eight months after the first "intractable" prisoner was brutally flogged on reception
into Grafton’s notorious gaol where serving warders said the "reception biff" intractable prisoners received represented "official policy"
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I remember this well ---     The Officers were prepared to gun them down but the Minister, Tony Vincent ordered NO.     What a pity.   
They can be stopped and if that is the way , SO BE IT.


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 2:01am
Gee,  nice work Three Bears !

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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 2:03am
Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:

Does anyone here actually live around the Sudanese and their darling offspring? I do. PT your stats are a pathetic cop out tactic as usual produced by the usual suspect apologist public servants without a clue. They wont solve the daily carjackings, muggings, house raids and shop robberies in my neighbourhood. These crimes aren't being committed by NZ'ers or Aussies either. Kids from Sudan recreating Grand Theft Auto are a menace to our community in the west of Melbourne. The stats lie and are politically charged BS. We have a police copter in the air chasing down offenders virtually every night at times.
 
Just in the square mile around my house we've had a pre school blown up, the bakery robbed, car theft through the roof, multiple muggings, house raids galore, a war with locals at the pub ( guess who lost? ), a neighbour and his 12 yr old boy bashed for their car and my own nephew robbed of a pushbike at knifepoint. Unfortunately for those scumbags the bike wasn't his, it was mine.
 
We knew who took the bike and they made no secret of where they lived when robbing my nephew. We called the cops and took them to the house where the boy saw the bike taken through the front door. The cops went and knocked, got a fekk off response from the inhabitants and left it at that. They took no further action. I decided to go around and sort it out myself. Knocked on door, belted first clown to open door and saw bike in hallway behind him. Took bike, another three clowns scattered and I gave another a good clip.
 
Half an hour later guess who was back on my doorstep? Yep the clowns had called the cops. Same pair who attended earlier turned up and I gave them a spray. No further action was taken and cops were apologetic when I produced the previously stolen bike and proof of ownership. Said there was little they could do in the circumstances. Their hands are tied etc etc.  Those clowns moved out of the neighbourhood very soon after. They were made to feel most unwelcome by all the locals who knew exactly what had happened.  
 
 
Come to the front line any time and take a few notes for yourself. Stop googling BS from the safety of your keyboard.

If Victoria keeps voting these soft cock Socialists into power, they deserve to have their bikes stolen, cars jacked and homes invaded!Angry

The problem is PLANNING ... the only planning in government is how do we get re-elected, and the only planning in the public service is making sure you spend your budget, so you get more next year!Dead

The first political party who says that they will stop all of this by introducing tough policing, combines with assylum seeker policies that cuts them off at the root of the problem, and carry it through will have three uninterrupted terms!

As PT alluded to (amongst the excrement), could this be Malcolm's ace in the hole!?Confused


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 2:07am
... oh yes, and nice work ThreeBears ... but we pay too much in taxes that we should be relying on vigilantism ... trust me, those police would love to use a few bullets on these dangerous, disrespectful bunts! (Whale ... spellcheck!)


Posted By: marble
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 7:35am
it leaves you feeling a bit sad and angry when we have helped rescue these people from lifetimes of violence only for them to bring it here. 
 


Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 7:47am
Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Jail space very limited, and the courts know it.


Why not deportation?

Or is that just not Oztraylyan to do?

Dont bother sending them to Hungary
We dont allow ungrateful scum to enter Hungary. Thumbs Up


Why would anyone bother sending then to Hungary?

Deportation would be to their country of origin.

Why do people think that immigration is a right? Really its a privilege (especially to a place like Australia) and those that do immigrate should not break the law.




Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 7:49am
What percentage of these youth criminals are actually immigrants, or doesn't it matter?




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Posted By: marble
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 8:01am
it doesnt matter - perception is that they are immigrants and they are biting the hand that feeds them.
 compared to their population crime amongst them is very high - why?


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 8:07am
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

What percentage of these youth criminals are actually immigrants, or doesn't it matter?


Oh I see, its my fault is it ? Oh of course, there I was thinking it was your fault because you had been left in charge, or Manuels fault for not waking you, when all the time it was MY fault. Oh, it is obvious now. I have seen the light. Well I must be punished then, mustn't I ?
 
(starts spanking himself)
 
Your a naughty, naughty boy Fawlty !


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 9:44am
In my opinion, govt assistance to the unemployed, students etc should be raised to the level of pensions generally, once the dole and the pension were the same level. Do that, and the excuse of economic circumstances crime disappears, but in concert with that a hard-ball approach in the courts is needed. Then you need the jails to house them....all of which has been badly let go in recent times. Yesterday I saw a news story about an undesirable who stole credit cards at the scene of a multiple fatality car crash, and later went on a spending spree. The news story made a point of saying he was denied bail, as if he was being made an exception. To the eternal shame of the system, it was revealed his criminal record was 20 pages long. I have no hesitation in saying he should be permanently incarcerated, why should society be subjected to page 21 ?


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 10:12am
Think the sentences are there just not being implemented by the bench


Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 10:15am
Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

... oh yes, and nice work ThreeBears ... but we pay too much in taxes that we should be relying on vigilantism ... trust me, those police would love to use a few bullets on these dangerous, disrespectful bunts! (Whale ... spellcheck!)


serious question, are you an idiot ?


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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 10:33am
Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

... oh yes, and nice work ThreeBears ... but we pay too much in taxes that we should be relying on vigilantism ... trust me, those police would love to use a few bullets on these dangerous, disrespectful bunts! (Whale ... spellcheck!)


serious question, are you an idiot ?
 Do you lack comprehension skills Whale ? The good Dr asked you for a spell check - not a bloody comment !

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 10:47am
First item of business for any govt, ought to be, law enforcement, and adequate provision of resources for same. If it is written into the law that some people should get lenient treatment because of a traumatic upbringing, or some other special circumstance, then so be it, but the law does not make those provisions, and it is not the role of anyone to second-guess laws, except elected law-makers. But that is not the way the system works these days, it is supposed to be non-discriminatory, but only a fool would believe it is.


Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 10:54am
Here is part of the problem
A young South Sudanese man jailed for violent offending won a reprieve from deportation to his homeland because authorities failed to consider the impact on his family and his mental health problems.

The 25-year-man, whose identity is redacted, was jailed in 2012 for armed robbery and other offences that a sentencing judge described as "dangerous, frightening and extremely violent".
Such was his offending that the federal government cancelled his humanitarian visa – issued when he came to Australia as a refugee, aged 14 – to have him sent back to South Sudan once released from prison.

But in a ruling made last month, a Federal Court judge gave the 25-year-old South Sudanese man a reprieve by ruling that the Administrative Appeals Tribunal had not considered the impact a possible deportation would have on his younger siblings and his nieces and nephews, who are all children.


Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:04am
Melbourne certainly isnt the most livable city in the world.

Doesnt even have a train to the airport.
Crime is thru the roof.
Road rage is thru the roof. People are eating each other at the sides of roads.
Terrorists are lurking and we pass them off as just mental basketcases, rather than labeling it a terror attack.
Oh, and airport carparking? You need to get a homeloan for that.
Dont even think the airport has wi-fi for the general public.

Homeless people are all up Elizabeth street in the heart of the city.

Went to the zoo recently and yobs from Pakenham, super nasty lesbians with children, should have been the ones behind the cages, not the animals.

Went to Carols by Candlelight, people want to punch up for a picnic rug position.
Thats the Christmas Spirit.

Oh, and Daniel Andrews totally scrwed over our taxi drivers, several of whom have since lost their homes or even suicided, despite local government selling Port Phillip shipping area for squillions, $$$$, didnt even have the heart to compensate the cab drivers a few million.

Super nice city,


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:11am
Very true redemption. Throw in the crap weather & it makes you wonder who would ever want to live in the place !

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:15am
Yes Redemption, you should move to beautiful Bankstown and listen to Dr E and Oneone moaning about how good Melbourne has it compared to their little Mecca

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:17am
A teenage boy is facing a string of charges, including attempted murder, after allegedly using a stolen car to go on a rampage through Melbourne’s CBD.


The 15-year-old appeared at Melbourne Children’s Court yesterday where CCTV of the alleged rampage was released and later obtained by The Herald Sun.
The video shows a 4WD driving and reversing at speed along Flinders Street just before 8am on September 30.

In the CCTV footage shown in court, the car is seen seemingly attempting to run down pedestrians, slamming into bikes, driving through red lights and pedestrian crossings.

The 15-year-old was eventually pulled from the vehicle by a member of the public. He was wearing combat gear and allegedly armed with a knife and a baton.

The teenager eventually had to be tasered by police and arrested.

Police ruled out terrorism and said they were treating the incident as mental health related.

When investigators searched the boy’s tablet they allegedly discovered thousands of disturbing searches.

He had allegedly taken screenshots of Google Maps showing the location of Melbourne landmarks, and searched for military bases and gun shops.

The 15-year-old has been charged with two counts of attempted murder, six counts of reckless conduct endangering life, and two counts of assaulting emergency services workers.

He has been released on bail, into the care of his sister and father, and is expected to appear in court again next month.
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Hands up who feels reassured by that story, that the system is working, charged with attempted murder, but considered to be a mental health issue, and is released into the "care" of family.....who are depended on to prevent a "relapse" and a repeat performance of this ? The system is an utter shambles.









Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:42am
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

In my opinion, govt assistance to the unemployed, students etc should be raised to the level of pensions generally, once the dole and the pension were the same level. Do that, and the excuse of economic circumstances crime disappears, but in concert with that a hard-ball approach in the courts is needed. Then you need the jails to house them....all of which has been badly let go in recent times. Yesterday I saw a news story about an undesirable who stole credit cards at the scene of a multiple fatality car crash, and later went on a spending spree. The news story made a point of saying he was denied bail, as if he was being made an exception. To the eternal shame of the system, it was revealed his criminal record was 20 pages long. I have no hesitation in saying he should be permanently incarcerated, why should society be subjected to page 21 ?

So your way of fixing the present problem is to give them more money.

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:44am
The Sudanese community are asking for educational and trades training programs(mostly removed by federal govt) to get them off the streets and something to aspire to

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:47am
Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

In my opinion, govt assistance to the unemployed, students etc should be raised to the level of pensions generally, once the dole and the pension were the same level. Do that, and the excuse of economic circumstances crime disappears, but in concert with that a hard-ball approach in the courts is needed. Then you need the jails to house them....all of which has been badly let go in recent times. Yesterday I saw a news story about an undesirable who stole credit cards at the scene of a multiple fatality car crash, and later went on a spending spree. The news story made a point of saying he was denied bail, as if he was being made an exception. To the eternal shame of the system, it was revealed his criminal record was 20 pages long. I have no hesitation in saying he should be permanently incarcerated, why should society be subjected to page 21 ?


So your way of fixing the present problem is to give them more money.

Dead

Yep, you must provide a basic level of sustenance, the dole does not. By what logic the dole was disconnected from the same level as the pension, to now $150 a week less, I don't know, but I can see how it could create desperation, even among those that don't waste a cent on non-necessities.


Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:48am
Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

Here is part of the problem
A young South Sudanese man jailed for violent offending won a reprieve from deportation to his homeland because authorities failed to consider the impact on his family and his mental health problems.

The 25-year-man, whose identity is redacted, was jailed in 2012 for armed robbery and other offences that a sentencing judge described as "dangerous, frightening and extremely violent".
Such was his offending that the federal government cancelled his humanitarian visa – issued when he came to Australia as a refugee, aged 14 – to have him sent back to South Sudan once released from prison.

But in a ruling made last month, a Federal Court judge gave the 25-year-old South Sudanese man a reprieve by ruling that the Administrative Appeals Tribunal had not considered the impact a possible deportation would have on his younger siblings and his nieces and nephews, who are all children.

So this is the new defense for the convicted youth?

And the big question is, who paid for this young Sudanese man's defense in court?
I'll bet he didn't pay for it himself.



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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:52am
They have come from unimaginably horrendous conditions, allowances must be made


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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:53am
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

In my opinion, govt assistance to the unemployed, students etc should be raised to the level of pensions generally, once the dole and the pension were the same level. Do that, and the excuse of economic circumstances crime disappears, but in concert with that a hard-ball approach in the courts is needed. Then you need the jails to house them....all of which has been badly let go in recent times. Yesterday I saw a news story about an undesirable who stole credit cards at the scene of a multiple fatality car crash, and later went on a spending spree. The news story made a point of saying he was denied bail, as if he was being made an exception. To the eternal shame of the system, it was revealed his criminal record was 20 pages long. I have no hesitation in saying he should be permanently incarcerated, why should society be subjected to page 21 ?


So your way of fixing the present problem is to give them more money.

Dead

Yep, you must provide a basic level of sustenance, the dole does not. By what logic the dole was disconnected from the same level as the pension, to now $150 a week less, I don't know, but I can see how it could create desperation, even among those that don't waste a cent on non-necessities.


It needs toi be a 2 edged approach. Harsh penalties then a massive amount of education & training once in the jail system.
Minors should be trained in apprenticeships and other skills and have mentors of quality to help them


Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:55am
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

In my opinion, govt assistance to the unemployed, students etc should be raised to the level of pensions generally, once the dole and the pension were the same level. Do that, and the excuse of economic circumstances crime disappears, but in concert with that a hard-ball approach in the courts is needed. Then you need the jails to house them....all of which has been badly let go in recent times. Yesterday I saw a news story about an undesirable who stole credit cards at the scene of a multiple fatality car crash, and later went on a spending spree. The news story made a point of saying he was denied bail, as if he was being made an exception. To the eternal shame of the system, it was revealed his criminal record was 20 pages long. I have no hesitation in saying he should be permanently incarcerated, why should society be subjected to page 21 ?


So your way of fixing the present problem is to give them more money.

Dead

Yep, you must provide a basic level of sustenance, the dole does not. By what logic the dole was disconnected from the same level as the pension, to now $150 a week less, I don't know, but I can see how it could create desperation, even among those that don't waste a cent on non-necessities.

So you want to up the dole so that every recipient can live the same lifestyle as those that have worked their entire lives.

Where's the incentive to get a job?

Not to mention the added strain on the government, or should I say tax payer.



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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 11:59am
Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

In my opinion, govt assistance to the unemployed, students etc should be raised to the level of pensions generally, once the dole and the pension were the same level. Do that, and the excuse of economic circumstances crime disappears, but in concert with that a hard-ball approach in the courts is needed. Then you need the jails to house them....all of which has been badly let go in recent times. Yesterday I saw a news story about an undesirable who stole credit cards at the scene of a multiple fatality car crash, and later went on a spending spree. The news story made a point of saying he was denied bail, as if he was being made an exception. To the eternal shame of the system, it was revealed his criminal record was 20 pages long. I have no hesitation in saying he should be permanently incarcerated, why should society be subjected to page 21 ?


So your way of fixing the present problem is to give them more money.

Dead

Yep, you must provide a basic level of sustenance, the dole does not. By what logic the dole was disconnected from the same level as the pension, to now $150 a week less, I don't know, but I can see how it could create desperation, even among those that don't waste a cent on non-necessities.


So you want to up the dole so that every recipient can live the same lifestyle as those that have worked their entire lives.

Where's the incentive to get a job?

Not to mention the added strain on the government, or should I say tax payer.


no honest person should be subjected to an unliveable dole payment, because the system can't weed out the shysters. It is a matter of enforcing the law, not using a low dole payment to deter people who would abuse the system, but as a side effect, punishes the genuine.


Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:02pm
You should get your name on the possibles and probables for the Greens next senate candidacy.




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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

In my opinion, govt assistance to the unemployed, students etc should be raised to the level of pensions generally, once the dole and the pension were the same level. Do that, and the excuse of economic circumstances crime disappears, but in concert with that a hard-ball approach in the courts is needed. Then you need the jails to house them....all of which has been badly let go in recent times. Yesterday I saw a news story about an undesirable who stole credit cards at the scene of a multiple fatality car crash, and later went on a spending spree. The news story made a point of saying he was denied bail, as if he was being made an exception. To the eternal shame of the system, it was revealed his criminal record was 20 pages long. I have no hesitation in saying he should be permanently incarcerated, why should society be subjected to page 21 ?


So your way of fixing the present problem is to give them more money.

Dead

Yep, you must provide a basic level of sustenance, the dole does not. By what logic the dole was disconnected from the same level as the pension, to now $150 a week less, I don't know, but I can see how it could create desperation, even among those that don't waste a cent on non-necessities.


So you want to up the dole so that every recipient can live the same lifestyle as those that have worked their entire lives.

Where's the incentive to get a job?

Not to mention the added strain on the government, or should I say tax payer.


no honest person should be subjected to an unliveable dole payment, because the system can't weed out the shysters. It is a matter of enforcing the law,.


A very valid point lost on manyClap


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

You should get your name on the possibles and probables for the Greens next senate candidacy.



I am unaware that the Greens have taken a stand on that issue, certainly did not happen in the Labor years.


Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:07pm
It is a matter of enforcing the law,.
A very valid point lost on manyClap

Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

Here is part of the problem 
A young South Sudanese man jailed for violent offending won a reprieve from deportation to his homeland because authorities failed to consider the impact on his family and his mental health problems.

The 25-year-man, whose identity is redacted, was jailed in 2012 for armed robbery and other offences that a sentencing judge described as "dangerous, frightening and extremely violent".
Such was his offending that the federal government cancelled his humanitarian visa – issued when he came to Australia as a refugee, aged 14 – to have him sent back to South Sudan once released from prison.

But in a ruling made last month, a Federal Court judge gave the 25-year-old South Sudanese man a reprieve by ruling that the Administrative Appeals Tribunal had not considered the impact a possible deportation would have on his younger siblings and his nieces and nephews, who are all children.

Yeah. Because it's working so well.



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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:09pm
Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

You should get your name on the possibles and probables for the Greens next senate candidacy.




so any compassionate, sensible approach attracts the "ultimate " insult from you Confused


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Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:15pm
They have come from unimaginably horrendous conditions, allowances must be made
They are not stupid. They know allowances are being made and are taking every advantage possible of those extra opportunities to offend and reoffend. The amount of crimes committed by those already on bail speaks volumes.


Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

You should get your name on the possibles and probables for the Greens next senate candidacy.




so any compassionate, sensible approach attracts the "ultimate " insult from you Confused

Not any, just those that fit the agenda. And if you want compassion for that violent Sudanese criminal you also fit the bill.

I'd prefer to have compassion for the ones that can be isolated from him.

Maybe a life surfing on the Byron coast with the dole raised to the same level as the retired pensioners will prevent these poor people from committing more crime.
And it's in a Green area.

Easy fix.


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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:18pm
According to a community leader yesterday, these kids are mostly first generation Australian citizens and he said they would benefit from a week in Sth Sudan to give them some perspective

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Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:18pm
I'm currently on holiday in Daylesford. No crime here. No Sudanese, Kiwis and few kids full stop. Lovely place I can thoroughly recommend. Everyone seems to have a job too.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:19pm
Ineffective policing of laws, creates a wide variety of social ills. But the laws have to be fair, a dole payment of $250 a week is below basic sustenance levels.


Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:22pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

According to a community leader yesterday, these kids are mostly first generation Australian citizens and he said they would benefit from a week in Sth Sudan to give them some perspective

No, just give them more money.


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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:

I'm currently on holiday in Daylesford. No crime here. No Sudanese, Kiwis and few kids full stop. Lovely place I can thoroughly recommend. Everyone seems to have a job too.


Is a nice spot but too many same sex couples for many on this forum, they may catch something Confused


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Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:26pm
LOL Whale. That's true. The hard core lesbians may frighten the crap out of some.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

According to a community leader yesterday, these kids are mostly first generation Australian citizens and he said they would benefit from a week in Sth Sudan to give them some perspective


No, just give them more money.

Absolutely give them more, if they satisfy eligibility requirements. If they then go out an commit crime, hit them like a ton of bricks, they won't have "economic circumstance" as an excuse.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:31pm
No mention of the non Sudanese criminals that mostly organise these people because they are minors? 

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

No mention of the non Sudanese criminals that mostly organise these people because they are minors? 

If that is a known fact, why hasn't the plod caught up to them ?



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