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Topic: American Pharoah
Posted By: Gay3
Subject: American Pharoah
Date Posted: 21 May 2015 at 2:29pm

Coolmore secure American Pharoah breeding rights

  • 9:54am
  • |Daniel Miles - https://www.twitter.com/DanielMiles90" rel="nofollow - @DanielMiles90

American Pharoah

American Pharoah plowing through the mud to take out the Preakness Stakes

The breeding rights to emerging racetrack sensation American Pharoah have been sold to global breeding empire Coolmore Stud.

The Triple Crown-bound colt has taken America by storm this season with dominant victories in both the Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes.

Should the home-bred son of Pioneerof The Nile continue his winning run in the Belmont Stakes next month in New York, he will become just the 12th colt to win the prestigious American Triple Crown and the first since Affirmed in 1978.

American Pharoah will continue to race in the colours of owner Ahmed Zayat until the end of his three-year-old season when he is expected to retire.

“Whatever happens in the Belmont, American Pharoah is an outstanding sire prospect and we’re very grateful to the Zayat family for entrusting us with his stallion career,” said Coolmore Ashford Stud Manager, Dermot Ryan, in a release on http://coolmore.com/american-pharoah-to-stand-at-ashford/?farm=america" rel="nofollow - coolmore.com .

“He’s already a champion two-year-old and has won his first four starts at three by over 20 lengths. It’s very exciting to think about how much more he might achieve.”

Coolmore secured the breeding rights for an undisclosed amount.

A $300,000 yearling purchase at the Fasig-Tiptopn Saratoga sale, American Pharoah was named US Champion two-year-old on the back of wins in the Grade 1 Del Mar Futurity and FrontRunner Stakes last year.



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Replies:
Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 22 May 2015 at 5:54pm
Recon he'd come to oz?
 
 


Posted By: sweetvictory
Date Posted: 22 May 2015 at 8:31pm
Hopefully not.. He should shuttle to Argentina or Chile where he will probably end up..

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Posted By: MichaelM
Date Posted: 22 May 2015 at 9:42pm
Not that too many have been tried in Australia, but a Kentucky Derby winner has never worked out here.


Posted By: willow
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 10:23am
Which one's have come here?
I know Super Saver came for one year, but they would only be 2yo's
wouldn't they?


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 10:27am
Year by year list of winners:
http://horseracing.about.com/od/history/l/blderbywin.htm

Big Brown
Street Sense
Smarty Jones???
Fusaichi Pegasos
Real Quiet
Thunder Gulch
Spectacular Bid ???


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Posted By: JadeLace
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 11:35am
Thunder Gulch To be next top broodmare sire.....why not some of the other Derby Winners would happily stock my paddocks with fillies by any one of them 😄


Posted By: Off and racing
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 1:09pm
Animal Kingdom


Posted By: JadeLace
Date Posted: 23 May 2015 at 2:41pm
I love Animal Kingdom & what a type getter


Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2019 at 12:48pm
Pioneerof the Nile, sire of American Pharoah passed away yesterday aged 13...


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 6:49pm
Where did Pioneer Of The Nile stand, Brudder ??  What happened to him ?


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 6:59pm
Winstar Farm.  From Wiki:

WinStar Farm is an  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States" rel="nofollow - American   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoroughbred" rel="nofollow - Thoroughbred   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_breeding" rel="nofollow - horse breeding  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_racing" rel="nofollow - racing  farm near Versailles, Kentucky, owned by  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Troutt" rel="nofollow - Kenny Troutt . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinStar_Farm#cite_note-1" rel="nofollow - [1]  It is the owner of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justify_%28horse%29" rel="nofollow - Justify , winner of the 2018  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Crown_of_Thoroughbred_Racing_%28United_States%29" rel="nofollow - Triple Crown , along with  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Saver_%28horse%29" rel="nofollow - Super Saver , winner of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Kentucky_Derby" rel="nofollow - 2010 Kentucky Derby ;  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosselmeyer" rel="nofollow - Drosselmeyer , winner of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Belmont_Stakes" rel="nofollow - 2010 Belmont Stakes ; and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_%28horse%29" rel="nofollow - Creator , winner of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Belmont_Stakes" rel="nofollow - 2016 Belmont Stakes .

It stands several notable stallions, including  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiznow" rel="nofollow - Tiznow ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distorted_Humor" rel="nofollow - Distorted Humor  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneerof_the_Nile" rel="nofollow - Pioneerof the Nile , sire of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pharoah" rel="nofollow - American Pharoah . WinStar Farm won the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_Award_for_Outstanding_Owner" rel="nofollow - Eclipse Award for Outstanding Owner  in 2010 and also won the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_Award_for_Outstanding_Breeder" rel="nofollow - Outstanding Breeder  award in 2016.


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 8:28pm
Thank You SC.  Would he have been there in 2013 or moved there from elsewhere do you think ?    Its just that I am racking my brain trying to think if I saw him there or not .  I am a bitWacko but pretty sure I didnt or I would have photos. Confused


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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 8:57pm
He moved there for the 2013 season I believe aa


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 10:49pm
Thank You TJ.   Prolly wasnt there when I was, then.  It gets to a point when you see dozens of stallions they all start to look the same Cry


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Posted By: Flight
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 12:02pm

Pioneerof the Nile Dead at 13

Multiple Grade I winner and star stallion Pioneerof the Nile (Empire Maker–Star of Goshen, by Lord At War {Arg}), perhaps best known for siring 2015 Triple Crown winner American Pharoah, has died suddenly at the age of 13, WinStar Farm announced. According to the farm, Pioneerof the Nile bred a mare Monday morning and started acting uncomfortable once he was back in his stall. He was en route to the clinic when he died.

“We are all extremely saddened by the loss of Pioneerof the Nile,” said WinStar Farm’s Elliott Walden. “He was a superior physical specimen, a Triple Crown sire, and a unique personality. All of us at WinStar are heartbroken.”

Bred and owned by Zayat Stables during his racing career, Pioneerof the Nile won both the 2008 GI CashCall Futurity and GI Santa Anita Derby and was runner-up in the 2009 GI Kentucky Derby. He entered stud at Vinery in 2010 and spent three years there before transferring to WinStar in 2013. He was a perennially among the leading sires and was represented by Eclipse 2-Year-Old champion Classic Empire in 2016.

Ahmed Zayat made his first foray into horse racing in 2005 and Pioneerof the Nile was at the forefront of his family’s breeding operation. It was that year that Zayat purchased his first broodmare, Star of Goshen, carrying the future Grade I winner.

Zayat took to twitter Monday to express his grief at the passing of his first homebred.

http://as.thoroughbreddailynews.com/www/delivery/ck.php?oaparams=2__bannerid=643__zoneid=40__cb=75a1459fe6__oadest=http%3A%2F%2Fselectedyearlings.fasigtipton.com%3Futm_source%3DTDN%26utm_medium%3DShared728X90%26utm_campaign%3DSelectedYearlingSales" rel="nofollow">Fasig-Tipton

“I’m incredibly shocked and saddened by the sudden loss of my Pioneer of the Nile,” Zayat tweeted. “He was not only my first homebred he was one of my GREATEST. He was the proud father of American Pharoah and a true sire of sires. Pioneerof the Nile will be greatly missed by all of us here at Zayat Stables and by all of the racing and breeding world. Thank you to Bob Baffert for training him, thank you to WinStar Farm for standing him and caring for him these last years. He is gone way too soon, but never to be forgotten. It truly does take a Pioneer.”

Zayat’s son Justin echoed his father’s sentiments.

“I’m stunned and hurting from this news,” Justin Zayat tweeted. “It’s hard to even put into words what Pioneerof the Nile meant to me and to my family. He was the first horse we ever bred, who then became a stallion himself siring our Triple Crown champ American Pharoah. Pioneerof the Nile had true world-class intelligence, athleticism and personality. Thank you for all the victories, memories, and game-changing success you created for me, my family, and for the lives of everyone you touched.”

Pioneerof the Nile gave his first hint of talent on the racetrack with a third-place finish in the 2008 Lane’s End Breeders’ Futurity at Keeneland. Fifth behind Midshipman in the GI Breeders’ Cup Juvenile, he concluded his juvenile campaign with a win in the GI CashCall Futurity. He proved he was Triple Crown material when opening 2009 with three straight wins on the West Coast, taking the GII Robert B. Lewis S. and GII San Felipe S. before heading to Louisville with a one-length victory in the GI Santa Anita Derby. The dark bay looked like a likely winner at the head of the Churchill stretch on the first Saturday in May, but passed late by longshot Mine that Bird. Pioneerof the Nile was eased in the GI Preakness S. and was retired that July with soft tissue injury to his left front leg.

Pioneerof the Nile began his stud career at Vinery in 2010 before moving to WinStar in 2013. His initial stud fee at WinStar was $15,000. By 2019, with the stallion already represented by four champions and 11 graded stakes winners, it had soared to $110,000.

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In addition to American Pharoah and Classic Empire, Pioneerof the Nile was also represented on the track by 2016 GI Shoemaker Mile S. winner Midnight Storm and 2014 GII Holy Bull S. winner Cairo Prince. His progeny have grossed over $35 million to date.

“He was nothing short of perfect,” said Tom Ryan of S.F. Bloodstock, a committed shareholder in the stallion. “A brilliant racehorse, a generational influence, and a cool customer. He started at the bottom and leaves an indelible mark on our industry. My heart goes out to [WinStar stallion manager] Larry [McGinnis] and his team who cared for Pioneerof the Nile every day at WinStar Farm.”

In the sales ring, Pioneerof the Nile was represented by three million-dollar sales in 2018. His weanling daughter out of Stopchargingmaria (Tale of the Cat) sold for $1.9 million to Mandy Pope’s Whisper Hill Farm at last year’s Fasig-Tipton November sale. A colt out of Pomeroy’s Pistol (Pomeroy) brought $1 million from Albaugh Family and Spendthrift at the Keeneland September Yearling Sale and a filly out of Graeme Six (Graeme Hall) sold for $1.05 million to bloodstock agent Shawn Dugan at the same auction.

During last week’s OBS March sale, Larry Best’s OXO Equine purchased colt by the sire out of Golden Artemis (Malibu Moon) for $1.2 million. Pioneerof the Nile also was represented by seven-figure juveniles at the 2016 Fasig-Tipton Florida sale and at the 2017 OBS March sale.

Pioneerof the Nile’s young graded-stakes winning sons have already made an impact in the sales ring. Triple Crown winner American Pharoah was represented by five seven-figure sales from his first crop at the yearling auctions last fall and he also had a weanling filly and a short yearling colt bring $1 million last winter. He towered over his fellow first-crop sires, with 67 yearlings selling for an average of $467,307 and he was the third overall leading sire at the Keeneland September sale.

The first crop of multiple graded stakes winner Cairo Prince was also popular in the sales ring. Led by a colt selling for $900,000 at the 2017 Keeneland September sale, Cairo Prince was the year’s second-leading first crop sire of yearlings. From his first 2-year-olds to hit the track, Cairo Prince was represented by graded stakes winner Cairo Cat, stakes winners Mihos, Giza Goddess, and Marquee Prince, as well as graded placed Pakhet.



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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 1:27pm
Thanks Flight .  Very interesting read.


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 6:20pm


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 6:20pm
MAVEN (USA)Chestnut colt 2017 
American Pharoah
Bay 2012
Pioneerof the Nile
Bay or brown 2006
Empire Maker
Bay or brown 2000
Unbridled
Bay 1987
Fappiano
Gana Facil
1977
1981
16-a
1-r
Toussaud
Bay or brown 1989
El Gran Senor
Image of Reality
1981
1976
8-f
6-d
Star of Goshen
Bay 1994
Lord at War
Chestnut 1980
General
Luna de Miel
1974
1974
1-w
19-c
Castle Eight
Bay 1984
Key to the Kingdom
Her Native
1970
1973
2-n
21-a
Littleprincessemma
Chestnut 2006
Yankee Gentleman
Bay 1999
Storm Cat
Bay or brown 1983
Storm Bird
Terlingua
1978
1976
4-j
8-c
Key Phrase
Chestnut 1991
Flying Paster
Sown
1976
1983
22>
19>
Exclusive Rosette
Chestnut 1993
Ecliptical
Chestnut 1982
Exclusive Native
Minnetonka
1965
1967
10-a
9-c
Zetta Jet
Bay 1984
Tri Jet
Queen Zetta
1969
1976
20-c
14>
Richies Party Girl
Bay or brown 2011
Any Given Saturday
Bay or brown 2004
Distorted Humor
Chestnut 1993
Forty Niner
Chestnut 1985
Mr Prospector
File
1970
1976
13-c
1-n
Danzig's Beauty
Bay 1987
Danzig
Sweetest Chant
1977
1978
7-a
9-f
Weekend in Indy
Bay 1995
A P Indy
Bay or brown 1989
Seattle Slew
Weekend Surprise
1974
1980
13-c
3-l
Whow
Brown 1985
Spectacular Bid
Hooplah
1976
1965
2-d
3-o
Very Special Lite
Bay or brown 1990
Majestic Light
Bay 1973
Majestic Prince
Chestnut 1966
Raise a Native
Gay Hostess
1961
1957
8-f
4-d
Irradiate
Grey 1966
Ribot
High Voltage
1952
1952
4-l
8-c
Very Special Lady
Bay or brown 1976
Buckpasser
Bay 1963
Tom Fool
Busanda
1949
1947
3-j
1-s
Midway Island
Bay 1965
Turn-To
Sail Navy
1951
1958
1-w
7-c


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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 7:35pm
I can't work this boy out.  From a very unfashionable sire who didn't leave much from a mare who literally produced him from a pedigree which is ?? if the stud book only putting a short bit in means anything.  Where did he come from.


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 9:06pm
For those of us who haven't a clue Confused

American Pharoah Colt Maven Unsold At Goffs, Expected For Thursday Start At Royal Ascot

by https://www.paulickreport.com/author/paulick-report-staff/" rel="nofollow - Paulick Report Staff | 06.17.2019 | 5:13pm
Maven breaks his maiden at Aqueduct

Richard Ravin's Maven made news as American Pharoah's first winner in North America back in April at Aqueduct, and now the 2-year-old colt is scheduled to start in Thursday's Group 2 Norfolk Stakes at Royal Ascot.

On Monday, Maven went through the ring at the Goffs London sale, but was bought back for £725,000. He has been in the care of trainer Wesley Ward since his debut, and Ward remains positive about the colt's ability.

“He's a fast colt,” Ward told https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/American_Pharoah_colt_Maven_skips_straight_to_Royal_Ascot_123#" rel="nofollow - Horse Racing Nation earlier this month. “He's growing. He's a late foal (May 24, 2017) so he's catching up to the others. I'm thinking he's going to run a big race over there. I'm really excited.”

The Wesley Ward trained 2yo colt MAVEN heads to the https://twitter.com/Goffs1866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - @Goffs1866 London Sale tomorrow as Lot 22. A winner of his only start becoming the first US winner for his sire AMERICAN PHAROAH! https://twitter.com/hashtag/ASaleLikeNoOther?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - #ASaleLikeNoOther https://t.co/1nYTolbZWU" rel="nofollow - pic.twitter.com/1nYTolbZWU

— Zvari (@Zvari4) https://twitter.com/Zvari4/status/1140370260358512640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - June 16, 2019




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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 9:40pm
Or he won a stakes race today in the US. 

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Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 9:51pm
At Chantilly.


Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 10:21pm
Had very good day...

Maven (American Pharoah - Richies Party Girl out of Any Given Saturday) won the G3 Connolly's Redmills Prix du Bois at Chantilly as the first Graded winner. Richies Party Girl won the a 2013 Juvenile Turf Stakes at Santa Anita.

Earlier Monarch of Egypt another American Pharoah son ran second in the G2 Gain Railway Stakes at The Curragh.

American Pharoah has three winners from his debut juvenile crop. Besides Saturday's stakes performers, the other is Saqqara King, who struck in a Newmarket novice stakes June 22 for Charlie Appleby and Godolphin.


Posted By: Kimberley Mine
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2019 at 2:35am
Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

I can't work this boy out.  From a very unfashionable sire who didn't leave much from a mare who literally produced him from a pedigree which is ?? if the stud book only putting a short bit in means anything.  Where did he come from.

Maven?  His dam is a multiple stakes winner in spite of her sire. His second dam is a Gr-3 winner by the sire of, among other horses, a Kentucky Oaks winner, the dam of Artie Schiller, and a horse who has been one of the best broodmare sires in the US.  She has produced the dam of a solid stakes winner by Street Sense.  His 3rd dam is by Buckpasser and was Gr-1 placed.  

It's a deep, if inconsistent, family.


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2019 at 12:16pm
No not Maven.  The sire American Pharoah.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2019 at 2:54pm
Originally posted by horlicks horlicks wrote:

At Chantilly.


😆 Thankyou.

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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 1:51am
Furious , to go back into Am. P's pedigree simply google Queen Zetta broodmare.
Of the articles that come up go into Pin Oaks presents bloodlines       a fascinating read 7 hopefully illuminating


Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2020 at 7:46am
American Pharoah was provided with a first European G1 winner Oct. 24 when the Aidan O'Brien-trained Van Gogh routed his rivals on heavy ground by four lengths under Pierre-Charles Boudot in the G1 Criterium International at Saint-Cloud.

Van Gogh is from the second crop of the 2015 American Triple Crown winner American Pharoah, who will stand at Ashford Stud for a reduced fee of $100,000 in 2021, and his second individual top-level scorer after Harvey's Lil Goil landed the G1 Queen Elizabeth II Challenge Cup Presented by Dixiana at Keeneland this month.

How come they didn't spell Van Gogh wrong?


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2020 at 9:43am
Glencoe as our stud book only lists back to Queen Zetta's dam I'm confused as to what his broodmare line is?  Is there a red flag back there. I did the google but the story page came up blank so I guess its been deleted.  Also I just can't see where he came from with the immediate pedigree.  An exceptional racehorse yes but he'll have to be good this season (and I'm not saying he can't be just that I don't understand where he came from) as the first season sires are flying.


Posted By: Vivarchi
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 6:01pm
Another Group 1 winner for the great horse American Pharoah. This time in Japan at a mile for Cafe Pharoah.

That's Group 1's in America, France and Japan now.  He's going well.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2021 at 6:16pm
Absolutely Vivarchi.  Thumbs Up

But for whatever reason still unwilling to buy into his SH stock atm, which is very possibly a mistake. 


Posted By: Kimberley Mine
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2021 at 6:26am
Originally posted by Vivarchi Vivarchi wrote:

Another Group 1 winner for the great horse American Pharoah. This time in Japan at a mile for Cafe Pharoah.

That's Group 1's in America, France and Japan now.  He's going well.

He *should* be going well, given the quality of mares he has seen in the northern hemisphere!

G1 Harvey's Lil Goil -- out of a half-sister to KY Derby winner I'll Have Another
G1 Van Gogh -- out of English Oaks/Irish 1000 Guineas mare Imagine, dam of 4 other stakes winners, 2nd dam produced Generous  3rd dam is blue hen Margarethen
G1 Cafe Pharoah -- out of G2 winning More Than Ready mare who produced 2 other graded stakes winners 
JPN-1 Danon Pharoah -- dam is Gr-1 winner and half-sister to LW, 2nd dam is half-sister to dam of G2 Spellbinder, G3 WhyWhyWhy, and G3Pl Big Top, from the Igual branch of the Mahubah family
G2 Four Wheel Drive -- out of a More Than Ready mare from the family of millionaire Dynever, BC winner Furthest Land, multiple G2 SW Ready for Rye, etc.  
G2 Sweet Melania -- out of a Listed winning half-sister to G2 Travelin Man and G2 Discreet Dancer, from the Lassie's Lady branch of the Lassie Dear family (Ruler of the World, Duke of Marmalade, Annus Mirabilis, etc)
G2 Pista -- dam is Galileo daughter of champion Denebola, from the Coup de Folie branch of the Almahmoud family
G3 Maven -- first foal of a Listed-winning half sister to G3 winner and dam of LW/G1Pl, 
LW Another Miracle -- out of a Listed winning Medaglia D'Oro mare from the family of top Canadian sprinter Passion for Action.  3rd dam is a Gr-3 winner with lots of stakes production
LW Thankful -- dam produced G3 winner and another listed winner, 2nd dam is G3 winner, 3rd dam is G2 winner
G1Pl Monarch of Egypt -- out of G2 winning Galileo mare, 2nd dam produced Dutch Art
G3Pl Skygaze -- GSPl dam produced G2W and two LWs before this one

He should be getting excellent racehorses out of mares like this. 

The way he's started out reminds me quite a lot of Giant's Causeway: tremendous support from the very best Coolmore has to offer, rode on the coattails of his mares' achievements until finding out what worked for him and what didn't, and then settling into a useful stallion career that is perhaps just a shade below absolute top class..."very good" rather than "excellent."  Over time, Coolmore bred fewer and fewer of their top mares to him, even though he continued to sire good horses, and only one of his stallion sons is on any of their rosters (Footstepsinthesand). 

Coolmore bred a lot of their Galileo mares to him, as an outcross to that saturation in their mare population.  If he doesn't show good-enough production with Galileo mares he's much more likely to follow the path Giant's Causeway did.


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2021 at 8:39pm
Thank you for that extensive list. It will give us something to benchmark Am Ph against 


Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 9:59pm
FLOP, another Animal Kingdom and any other overhyped, under-pedigreed horse you want to mention. If you think not, please try to substantiate his attraction, fee and where you think I wrong.


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2021 at 9:25pm
AP will need a good autumn or we may think the Pharoah is a Fairy in the Sthn Hemisphere


Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2021 at 10:40pm
Not much love for him but this baby was full of running

5th-Del Mar, $71,500, Msw, 11-12, 2yo, f, 5fT, :56.67, fm, 2 3/4 lengths.
SHOPPINGFORPHAROAH
(f, 2, American PharoahSmart Shopping {SP}, by Smart Strike)    

Replay: https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/0/202111121732DMD5/" rel="nofollow - https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/0/202111121732DMD5/


Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2021 at 6:18pm
Do you mean he is a fading star in the NH Brudder A


Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2021 at 7:07pm

I think Media types in the US are trying to prop him up because he is a Triple Crown winner...

We will see more blurb when offspring from AP does well or win.


Posted By: Kimberley Mine
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2021 at 7:03am
Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:


I think Media types in the US are trying to prop him up because he is a Triple Crown winner...

We will see more blurb when offspring from AP does well or win.

He's definitely following the trajectory of Giant's Causeway at this point: huge early support from Coolmore, doing just enough with those mares in the northern hemisphere to not be sacked but the attention is shifting from him to Galileo Justify, doing poorly in the southern hemisphere. 

That being said, at least in the northern hemisphere he's proving to be a useful horse (again, like Giant's Causeway).  His foals are running at top-tier metro tracks and they're showing up on the big race days.  If his current crop of 2yos are excluded, he has 6.8% stakes winners and 11% black-type horses from his first 2 crops of racing age.  Half of his stakes winners are Group/Graded winners.

Compare these two:
http://www.equineline.com/extendedcontent/bh.cfm?StallionRef=8871994&rtype=stats&ASCID=1443262" rel="nofollow - http://www.equineline.com/extendedcontent/bh.cfm?StallionRef=8871994&rtype=stats&ASCID=1443262
http://www.equineline.com/extendedcontent/bh.cfm?StallionRef=9314281&rtype=stats&ASCID=1443262" rel="nofollow - http://www.equineline.com/extendedcontent/bh.cfm?StallionRef=9314281&rtype=stats&ASCID=1443262

Barring some huge changes, I expect that 2021 may be his last season shuttling to Australia.  If AP continues in the footsteps of Giant's Causeway, for 2022 he'll shuttle to Argentina.  


Posted By: oldflight
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2021 at 9:48pm
Hi All,
Anybody know were Big Brown is Standing Now?
Maybe a similar outcome





Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2021 at 10:35pm
Big Brown:
Standing at Dutchess Hill Farm, NY State

http://www.dutchessviewsfarm.com/bigbrown.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.dutchessviewsfarm.com/bigbrown.html


Posted By: Kimberley Mine
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2021 at 6:56am
Originally posted by oldflight oldflight wrote:

Hi All,
Anybody know were Big Brown is Standing Now?
Maybe a similar outcome


Eh -- he's doing better with his first two crops of mares in Kentucky than Big Brown ever did. 

His stats in the northern hemisphere are good enough to keep him in Kentucky.  He's ranked #15 by 2021 progeny earnings ahead of the evergreen Medaglia D'Oro and Candy Ride, and ranked #4 by total number of NHemi stakes winners.  IIRC Big Brown never got that high.


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2021 at 10:24am
I often wondered how he came by that almost perfect white circle on his side ? 


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