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Funny, I used to think exactly that when I was a teenager.

But most people learn as they mature.
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No rusty, that would be just you luxuriating in a warm inner glow of self-satisfaction, that you are in the vanguard of progressive thinking. In reality, all strong ethnic identification, and encouragement of same, is divisive, because it inevitably leads to under-valuation of those that don't share that background. How could it be otherwise, and it is of course the source of the racism that you have cherry-picked to be the one you despise. You must despise all, or be deemed a racist yourself.
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Right-wingnuts do a pretty good line in indignation themselves. Fox/Sky would be dead air without it. What can I be outraged about today?Angry Spend most of their time getting their knickers in a knot over the most trivia things, like this. 

Makes blackfellas feel a little bit better: costs me nothing: win/win.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

No rusty, that would be just you luxuriating in a warm inner glow of self-satisfaction, that you are in the vanguard of progressive thinking. In reality, all strong ethnic identification, and encouragement of same, is divisive, because it inevitably leads to under-valuation of those that don't share that background. How could it be otherwise, and it is of course the source of the racism that you have cherry-picked to be the one you despise. You must despise all, or be deemed a racist yourself.
Huh?

No mate, it’s simple, just live and let live.
Don’t call anyone a black/fat/short ......

The language has changed, and a particular brand name is now identified as crass racist.

Only a racist would object to the owners identifying that, and choosing to make their product more acceptable in the marketplace.


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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Is political correctness the same as decency and respect?

That is one of the most astute questions in human history PT Clap

And unfortunately like feminism the answer is no.

Feminism was created to attain an equal share of wages and opportunities, which I think most intelligent people would say is acceptable.

However the movement turned radical, and using the same male characteristics which they were protesting, it turned most of the population against their cause.

These days it is political correctness or social justice which are the causes, which are losing its support.

You see it in the entertainment industry.

If you have an established franchise, such as Star Wars and Star Trek,  and you try to concentrate on social justice and political correctness instead of paying tribute to the 40 year history of the franchise, and the preaching of what we should think, by having weak storylines and even worse acting, then people even franchise fans, will disappear.

Political correctness is like multiculturalism. They only work if the entire population supports it, and when you lose support for either amongst a large number of the population your cause will not succeed!  

A good example of a successful social campaign is the gay rights cause. It took over forty years but eventually in Australia their lifestyle became widespread and the majority of the community were so used to what was happening that they wanted to move on from what seemed a out of date issue.

This is like the whip issue in racing. If the industry gives in to the protestors about that they will not stop protesting until racing is dead and buried. 

If you want to be fully politically correct then we have to change the name of my the suburb in Sydney, Blacktown, the White House, Black Sea, blackholes. 

This issue with the cheese would be offensive to me if my name was Coon. You are saying that my name the one thing that identifies every human is offensive. The people who think the name is offensive are the ones showing racist tendencies because when you see the name you automatically see an offensive word instead of someone's name.

The question was does political correctness equal decency and respect?

The answer is yes, if you argue about the PC issue in a mature, respectful way, without resorting to the exact same actions that you are arguing against. 

However that type of public debating has never been in humanity's instinct so the answer in reality is no PC does not equal decency and respect.    

  
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I'm not seeing a campaign to stop people being called fat/ugly/dumb etc the way precious ethnicity must not be mentioned, rusty. I would say this, it is a sure sign of psychological insecurity, for people to want to pump up a particular ethnicity, which by an accident of fate they happen to belong to. It rightly belongs more to the realm of the joke book. 
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I remember when the fat/ugly/dumb people were slaves too. What a wild time! 

Or that time the government stole all the fat/ugly/dumb children from their parents.
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They were slaves to their perceived (by others) shortcomings, TJ, and still are, and I don't see that changing, discrimination being inherent to all human decision making. Chauvinisms of all kinds, and that is what racial identifications are, are a bar to psychological growth, which rusty imagines he has grown into. Think of all those Irish jokes you laughed at, that depend on the prejudice that the Irish are stupid. Shame on you, you are outed as prejudiced on the basis of ethnicity !
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I believe the modern mania of dividing people up into boxes based on race , sexuality or gender is crazy and just about guaranteed to ensure that not only absolutely nothing practical gets done but causes a lot of resentment . Surely nobody really believes that people of colour are actually deeply offended every time they are in the cheese section at the supermarket or buying their kids lollies. Really?? Society is not made up of white supremacists versus the woke political correct . Both are a tiny but very noisy minority. Most people , no matter their race sexuality or gender , are in the middle and just want a bit of common sense. And actual practical solutions to problems . Changing the brand name of a cheese achieves nothing but is so silly it makes people just switch off and not want to listen about racial problems.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

They were slaves to their perceived (by others) shortcomings, TJ, and still are, and I don't see that changing, discrimination being inherent to all human decision making. Chauvinisms of all kinds, and that is what racial identifications are, are a bar to psychological growth, which rusty imagines he has grown into. Think of all those Irish jokes you laughed at, that depend on the prejudice that the Irish are stupid. Shame on you, you are outed as prejudiced on the basis of ethnicity !


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I suspect changing the brand name of a cheese achieved far more than you can care about and it has nothing to do with racism. 




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Spot on, as usual, Baguette, there are niche industries that have grown up around exploiting extremist viewpoints, such is the activist "career" of the chronically (but phonily) offended. The market is those who get off on the idea they are morally superior. Put to the test, they'd be as selfish as anyone else, if not more, people who are at pains to advertise their being "good guys" frequently turn out to be nothing of the kind.
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2020 HSC Clear Thinking exam question 4:  Explain in less than 200 words whether a statement such as "Donald and Boris are total d!ckheads" constitutes an example of political incorrectness at its worst, or rather represents an example of the unalienable right to freedom of expression.

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The entire PC industry is predicated on the assumption that people have to be muzzled, or something quite terrible is bound to happen. It is a bankrupt philosophy, if you suppress something like that, it will be expressed in other, quite possibly more damaging ways. 
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Brow beating people into behaving the PC way, does not work, the answer is an education system not only tailored to produce people to fit economic models, but principles of citizenship, something seemingly long abandoned.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Brow beating people into behaving the PC way, does not work,


 

No it doesn’t but it sure makes that brow beaters chest puff out with their sense of superiority and eliteism 
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Right-wingnuts do a pretty good line in indignation themselves. Fox/Sky would be dead air without it. What can I be outraged about today?Angry Spend most of their time getting their knickers in a knot over the most trivia things, like this. 

Makes blackfellas feel a little bit better: costs me nothing: win/win.
Don't know, I have more than a sneaking suspicion that the hand-wringers have instilled into the minds of some young indigenes, let's be kind and say "unwittingly", the notion that it is get-square time, and that has produced casualties, even deaths. In fact, I'd back it in to hot favourite.
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

They were slaves to their perceived (by others) shortcomings, TJ, and still are, and I don't see that changing, discrimination being inherent to all human decision making. Chauvinisms of all kinds, and that is what racial identifications are, are a bar to psychological growth, which rusty imagines he has grown into. Think of all those Irish jokes you laughed at, that depend on the prejudice that the Irish are stupid. Shame on you, you are outed as prejudiced on the basis of ethnicity !


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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Right-wingnuts do a pretty good line in indignation themselves. Fox/Sky would be dead air without it. What can I be outraged about today?Angry Spend most of their time getting their knickers in a knot over the most trivia things, like this. 

Makes blackfellas feel a little bit better: costs me nothing: win/win.
Don't know, I have more than a sneaking suspicion that the hand-wringers have instilled into the minds of some young indigenes, let's be kind and say "unwittingly", the notion that it is get-square time, and that has produced casualties, even deaths. In fact, I'd back it in to hot favourite.
Oh fiddlesticks, why don’t we just drive them all into the ocean, to save all the arguments.....
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No rusty, I have no such sentiment, but I am very confident that the get-square mentality is all too real, with some. But that's what happens when you promote racial distinctions. Shouldn't even be under discussion.
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Very easy for a middle class white person......
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So the narrative goes, rusty, but plenty of indigenous people are not in line with the aboriginal industry, which if anything, has only inflamed divisions. Just the other day I was talking to an aboriginal elder, who frankly admitted the elders have little to no influence over the young. This is what happens when you have do-gooder urgers playing up to a sense of grievance, by all means address legitimate grievance, but don't enshrine it as a debt to be kept on the books into perpetuity. Naturally, that is just what the aboriginal industry wants, eternal shame to keep drawing on.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

They were slaves to their perceived (by others) shortcomings, TJ, and still are, and I don't see that changing, discrimination being inherent to all human decision making. Chauvinisms of all kinds, and that is what racial identifications are, are a bar to psychological growth, which rusty imagines he has grown into. Think of all those Irish jokes you laughed at, that depend on the prejudice that the Irish are stupid. Shame on you, you are outed as prejudiced on the basis of ethnicity !


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No idea what that means, TJ
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Here is an Irish Joke



A married Irishman went into the confessional and said to his priest, "I almost had an affair with another woman."

The priest said, "What do you mean, almost?"

The Irishman said, "Well, we got undressed and rubbed together, but then I stopped."
   
The priest said, "Rubbing together is the same as putting it in. You're not to see that woman again. For your penance, say five Hail Mary's and put $50 in the poor box."
   
The Irishman left the confessional, said his prayers, and then walked over to the poor box.
   
He paused for a moment and then started to leave.
   
The priest, who was watching, quickly ran over to him saying, "I saw that. You didn't put any money in the poor box!"
   
The Irishman replied, "Yeah, but I rubbed the $50 on the box, and according to you, that's the same as putting it in!"
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

So the narrative goes, rusty, but plenty of indigenous people are not in line with the aboriginal industry, which if anything, has only inflamed divisions. Just the other day I was talking to an aboriginal elder, who frankly admitted the elders have little to no influence over the young. This is what happens when you have do-gooder urgers playing up to a sense of grievance, by all means address legitimate grievance, but don't enshrine it as a debt to be kept on the books into perpetuity. Naturally, that is just what the aboriginal industry wants, eternal shame to keep drawing on.
You call him a coon?

Cos he wouldn’t mind that, if he’s not a loud mouthed activist, right?
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