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Yes, the inbreeding to Cotehele House and the presence of Quest For Fame were drawcards from a pedigree perspective. He is a lovely type and cleans the mare up from a quality perspective.

Diamond Hands was ballotted from the trials today at Rosehill so should be trialling at Warwick Farm next Friday.
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Must say his weanling are pretty impressive on the whole Robbo.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Thanks for the info Goldey.

But back to the Omaha Beach's at the MM Weanling sale, and it appears clear purchasers are buying on pedigree rather than conformation. Even Widden went for one I didn't particularly fancy.

The fillies were clearly purchased for their breeding value. I would be very surprised to see either of these fillies show up at yearling or ready-to-run sales.  Conversely, I would NOT be surprised if either one went straight to stud rather than racing, especially if one of their close relatives gets a big win between now and 2025.

As for the colts, I submit that the Solar Star colt that sold for $70k is riding not so much on pedigree but on his dam line's record of producing 95% runners and 75% winners from named foals.  If a farrier can get his hind feet in order, he should be able to run through the rest of his conformation faults.  Would I buy into him at that price?  No, but honestly I think he's the best of the Omaha Beach foals.  

This now-2yo filly is a half-sister to his dam -- sold for $120k:  https://inglis.com.au/sales/info/2021+Australian+Easter+Yearling+Sale/catalogue/9
This is his dam's half brother by Vinnie who sold for $370k:  https://www.nzb.co.nz/sales/karaka-2018-book-1/472


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I'm going to go out a limb and say that I think the Magna Grecia stock have "slipped under the radar" of many buyers. I have been really surprised at the relative lack of demand for them

Am I missing something? I do not pretend to the level of understanding of conformation that many on here have, but I just like the way so many of his foals walk/move.
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Thought the weanlings have been a mixed bag Breeder.

I wouldn't have recommend anyone attempt to pin-hook them, if for no other reason than the fact that he served 122 as a hard sell and was strongly Coolmore supported in 2020, yet only 44 in 2021.  

If he didn't sustain an injury last season he may well not be back in 2022, in which case anyone with one would find the market extremely difficult at the 2023 and 2024 yearling sales.

Whether his stock kick a goal or not is another question entirely.

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Originally posted by goldey goldey wrote:

Lovely shoulder , I agree with KM bit light in cannons but a really nicely put together we have had a similar type and he has now better boned in the cannons but a lot of shinny probs initially after much remodelling .


Same thoughts here and Gays comment on pasterns brings to mind our staying mare - same set up in the front legs, gone a bit jointy and needs concussion plates in the dry weather, just down the track this maybe the case for your boy.
Agree about the shoulders and nice length of upper arm for a good stride length.
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Leaving conformation aside for a moment, surely Lot 322 bringing $350k (by Extreme Choice) at the MM Weanling sale is still a very bad joke.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Leaving conformation aside for a moment, surely Lot 322 bringing $350k (by Extreme Choice) at the MM Weanling sale is still a very bad joke.

Some of the prices were just bizarre.

That poor Pierata filly #310 was visibly lame in her walking video and still brought $65k.

The Extreme Choise #322 is pure market speculation.  Expect to see her at a yearling sale next year.

This Zousain colt sold for $130k, also pure speculation: https://catalogue.magicmillions.com.au/lot/22GWW/332 ; For comparison, the lone Kingman filly in the sale, out of a Dubawi half-sister to Pride of Dubai, sold for $120k.

Castelvecchio was feast or famine.  Either over $70k or passed in.


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Originally posted by Dizzy Dizzy wrote:

Gold Revolver trials again on Monday 16th May at Randwick trial 5, and Beauty Crusade in trial 14.


Gold Revolver is racing on the 25th


25 May 22 - Australia: CANTERBURY Race 1
Tab Mdn Hcp 2 CG 1100m $50000
Horse: GOLD REVOLVER
Jockey: TIM CLARK
Trainer: G WATERHOUSE & A BOTT
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Originally posted by Kimberley Mine Kimberley Mine wrote:

Morbid curiosity finally overcame prudence, and I took a look at Omaha Beach weanlings in MM.

As a group, they're better than the ones at Inglis.  They're almost all camped under, and now we can add long pasterns to the undermuscled necks and questionable feet.

This young lad is probably the best bred of the Spendthrift group:  https://catalogue.magicmillions.com.au/lot/22GWW/285

I was really interested in seeing this one, who is a half to two stakes winners:   https://catalogue.magicmillions.com.au/lot/22GWW/65

Meanwhile, we get our first looks at Calyx and Magna Grecia foals.

This filly is out of Aqua d'Amore: https://catalogue.magicmillions.com.au/lot/22GWW/145

She has some scrapes on her shins.  Wonder what the story is on that.


And finally, this Pierata filly wins the prize for "why? why would you release this video?"   https://catalogue.magicmillions.com.au/lot/22GWW/310


They are a mixed bag for sure, I like lot 145.
Some are hard to look at, it is hard as they go though some ugly stages to be fair.

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Went very cheaply imo GAJ.  X-rays?
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Like Magna Grecia he hasn't proved popular in the breeding barn.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Went very cheaply imo GAJ.  X-rays?

Weird marks on shins, X-rays, or possibly both.
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Ok, our third and final yearling purchase, a 2.5% share in Lot 101 Inglis Classic: colt by Xtravagant from Mussenden (Fastnet Rock).  Photo isn't great but like the way he walks.  Think the sire will make it, and couldn't resist at the price.  Any comments on his possible strengths and weaknesses would be appreciated.  Thumbs Up




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But please watch the video first.  Smile
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Love him (my type) & the sire. He doesn't appear to have the Fastnet bulk, at this stage anyway. Too crook to watch vids. Trainer?
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An ex-SA and Caulfield but now Cranbourne trainer with a recent strike rate of 22% winners to runners who allegedly punts and isn't exactly known for training miler/middle distance horses which this bloke should be.  Wink Embarrassed

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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Ok, our third and final yearling purchase, a 2.5% share in Lot 101 Inglis Classic: colt by Xtravagant from Mussenden (Fastnet Rock).  Photo isn't great but like the way he walks.  Think the sire will make it, and couldn't resist at the price.  Any comments on his possible strengths and weaknesses would be appreciated.  Thumbs Up


First impression from the still photo: still needs time.  His head and hindquarters look more mature than everything in between.  In particular he looks a bit short of rein, and the neck is usually one of the last things to grow out.

He's slightly offset in the left forefoot (the white one).  He toes out a bit in that foot, and in the right hind.  

I agree that he's a mile-ish type.

Pedigree-wise, Zabeel over Carnegie mares has 12% G1W to foals.  He has Zabeel through Xtravagant's dam and Carnegie through his 2nd dam.  

And for his immediate parents, his full brother has a win and a city placing in 5 starts (is spelling) and Xtravagant has 48% winners from runners as a 2nd crop sire.  

Overall, lots of positives.  Good luck with him.
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Thanks KM.  Star

The trainer promo's him as an early comer, which appears something of a stretch, so expended my 2.5% influence (ie bugger all) by suggesting everything about the colt in terms of pedigree and current development shouted miler-plus as a 3yo and beyond.  

And almost needless to say mentioned your welcome stats about the Zabeel over Carnegie success rate:  little of which would have exhibited itself in early comers.  
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Thanks KM.  Star

The trainer promo's him as an early comer, which appears something of a stretch, so expended my 2.5% influence (ie bugger all) by suggesting everything about the colt in terms of pedigree and current development shouted miler-plus as a 3yo and beyond.  

And almost needless to say mentioned your welcome stats about the Zabeel over Carnegie success rate:  little of which would have exhibited itself in early comers.  

Overall, running him a few times as a 2yo and then putting him away has been shown to increase a young horse's overall soundness and bone development.  The key part of that, though, is the "putting him away" bit.  Especially if he does turn out to have some early talent.


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