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GAJ
Champion Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Location: Alstonville,NSW Status: Offline Points: 4410 |
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Very windy yesterday not so bad today but SE QLD got it bad trees down etc. It has dried out the ground a bit that is one good thing and I got to drive out of here without a tow from Mr Deere!!
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furious
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When we were on the farm in the hunter we had our first three children. Our first daughters christening was on a wet day and out came the tractor to pull us and the god parents (who had arrived the day before) out in the car. The we went back and pulled out the five ton ute. Then after we came back and pulled everyone back in the back of the car and ute. Only trouble is we forgot the priest who turned up 1/2 hour later having walked down in his gum boots. He was a country pastor after all.
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GAJ
Champion Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Location: Alstonville,NSW Status: Offline Points: 4410 |
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HAHAHA, you can't forget the priest!! We have pulled out a few trucks these past few weeks that have not taken notice of our gate sign, The area in front of the work shed resembles a moonscape, not pretty! The constant tractor activity has really made a mess of things.
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acacia alba
Champion Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Hunter Valley Status: Offline Points: 41483 |
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Wind has stopped blowing. Its much warmer today. Our heating is now fixed .
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animals before people.
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acacia alba
Champion Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Hunter Valley Status: Offline Points: 41483 |
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Here we go again ! Raining and bloody cold.
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Gay3
Moderator Group Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Miners Rest Status: Offline Points: 52004 |
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Feels Like = 1.4 here & rain tomorrow + overnight.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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acacia alba
Champion Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Hunter Valley Status: Offline Points: 41483 |
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Blowing a gale. Snow on The Tops. Sun shines but its freezing. Fingers crossed for no rain for awhile,,,,please !! |
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GAJ
Champion Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Location: Alstonville,NSW Status: Offline Points: 4410 |
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GAJ
Champion Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Location: Alstonville,NSW Status: Offline Points: 4410 |
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John the Principle of St. Mary's primary school in Casino created this wonderful tribute for the people and organisations who aided the community during the floods. For ordinary people doing extraordinary Things..
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acacia alba
Champion Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Hunter Valley Status: Offline Points: 41483 |
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So many good people doing amazing things. I do recognise Bruno, the vet, but not the other guy. Thats a terrific tribute to those people. Thanks GAJ. |
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GAJ
Champion Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Location: Alstonville,NSW Status: Offline Points: 4410 |
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I think the man on the right is Ross Brown, Another good vet at Kyogle, I may be wrong!
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Gay3
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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acacia alba
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Its turned arctic here tonight. Beautiful day, then about 3pm the clouds rolled in. Amazing storm skys. Bitter tonight.
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animals before people.
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jujuno
Champion Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Coasting Status: Offline Points: 36447 |
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It's fricking freezing on the Central Coast, too.
I'm ready to head back home, where the nights are about three degrees warmer. |
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brave_ponies
Champion Joined: 06 Sep 2013 Location: Sydney Status: Offline Points: 3271 |
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So ... meh ... just our 3rd 100-year flood in 6 months ... Hope you're all having a good safe weekend
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acacia alba
Champion Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Hunter Valley Status: Offline Points: 41483 |
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Not good, BP. I saw all the water around the Hawkesbury. Same here. Rivers are not up but ground water is full on. Feel for all those who built their mansions on the flood plains . But the old hands didnt go near that area. Should have told them something ?? Flogging down here. Stay safe everyone.
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25170 |
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Stay safe BP. We are a bit surrounded by water also with the warning to evacuate one street over but so far the drains will get us before the river.
And if Macquarie was wise enough to point out the flood plains and tell people not to build there, why has anything become so drastic! I guess following governments weren't so concerned.
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GAJ
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Stay Safe BP and Furious, hope things don't get any worse, chilly weather and wet is no fun.
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Gay3
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‘Patently ridiculous’: state government failures have exacerbated Sydney’s flood disasterFor the fourth time in 18 months, floodwaters have inundated homes and businesses in Western Sydney’s Hawkesbury-Nepean Valley. Recent torrential rain is obviously the immediate cause. But poor decisions by successive New South Wales governments have exacerbated the damage. The town of Windsor, in the Hawkesbury region, has suffered a particularly high toll, with dramatic flood heights of 9.3 metres in February 2020, 12.9m in March 2021 and 13.7m in March this year. As I write, flood heights at Windsor have reached nearly 14m. This is still considerably lower than the monster flood of 1867, which reached almost 20m. It’s clear that standard flood risk reduction measures, such as raising building floor levels, are not safe enough in this valley. We’ve known about the risk of floods to the region for a long time.
Yet successive state governments have failed to properly mitigate its
impact. Indeed, recent urban development policies by the current NSW
government will multiply the risk. We knew this was comingA 22,000 square kilometre catchment covering the Blue Mountains and Western Sydney drains into the Hawkesbury-Nepean river system. The system faces an extreme flood risk because gorges restrict the river’s seaward flow, often causing water to rapidly fill up the valley after heavy rain. Governments have known about the flood risks in the valley for more than two centuries. Traditional Owners have known about them for millennia. In 1817, Governor Macquarie lamented:
Macquarie’s was the first in a long line of governments to do nothing effective to reduce the risk. The latest in this undistinguished chain is the NSW Planning Minister Anthony Roberts. In March, Roberts reportedly revoked his predecessor’s directive to better consider flood and other climate risks in planning decisions, to instead favour housing development. Roberts’ predecessor, Rob Stokes, had required that the Department of Planning, local governments and developers consult Traditional Owners, manage risks from climate change, and make information public on the risks of natural disasters. This could have helped limit development on floodplains. Why are we still building there?The Hawkesbury-Nepean Valley is currently home to 134,000 people, a population projected to double by 2050. The potential economic returns from property development are a key driver of the lack of effective action to reduce flood risk. In the valley, for example, billionaire Kerry Stokes’ company Seven Group is reportedly a part owner of almost 2,000 hectares at Penrith Lakes by the Nepean River, where a 5,000-home development has been mooted. Planning in Australia often uses the 1-in-100-year flood return interval as a safety standard. This is not appropriate. Flood risk in the valley is increasing with climate change, and development in the catchment increases the speed of runoff from paved surfaces. The historical 1-in-100 year safety standard is particularly inappropriate in the valley, because of the extreme risk of rising water cutting off low-lying roads and completely submerging residents cut-off in extreme floods. What’s more, a “medium” climate change scenario will see a 14.6% increase in rainfall by 2090 west of Sydney. This is projected to increase the 1-in-100 year flood height at Windsor from 17.3m to 18.4m. The NSW government should impose a much higher standard of flood safety before approving new residential development. In my view, it would be prudent to only allow development that could withstand the 20m height of the 1867 flood. No dam can control the biggest floodsThe NSW government’s primary proposal to reduce flood risk is to raise Warragamba Dam by 14m. There are many reasons this proposal should be questioned. They include the potential inundation not just of cultural sites of the Gundungarra nation, but threatened species populations, and part of the Blue Mountains World Heritage Area. The cost-benefit analysis used to justify the proposal did not count these costs, nor the benefits of alternative measures such as upgrading escape roads. Perversely, flood control dams and levee banks often result in higher flood risks. That’s because none of these structures stop the biggest floods, and they provide an illusion of safety that justifies more risky floodplain development.
For the fourth time in 18 months, floodwaters have inundated homes and businesses in Western Sydney’s Hawkesbury-Nepean Valley. Recent torrential rain is obviously the immediate cause. But poor decisions by successive New South Wales governments have exacerbated the damage. The town of Windsor, in the Hawkesbury region, has suffered a particularly high toll, with dramatic flood heights of 9.3 metres in February 2020, 12.9m in March 2021 and 13.7m in March this year. As I write, flood heights at Windsor have reached nearly 14m. This is still considerably lower than the monster flood of 1867, which reached almost 20m. It’s clear that standard flood risk reduction measures, such as raising building floor levels, are not safe enough in this valley. We’ve known about the risk of floods to the region for a long time. Yet successive state governments have failed to properly mitigate its impact. Indeed, recent urban development policies by the current NSW government will multiply the risk. What the government should do insteadThe NSW government now has an opportunity to overcome two centuries of failed governance. It could take substantial measures to keep homes off the floodplain and out of harm’s way. We need major new measures including:
The NSW government should help residents to relocate from the most flood-prone places and restore floodplains. This has been undertaken for many Australian towns and cities, such as Grantham, Brisbane, and along major rivers worldwide. Relocating residents isn’t easy, and any current Australian buyback and relocation programs are voluntary. I think it’s in the public interest to go further and, for example, compulsorily acquire or relocate those with destroyed homes, rather than allowing them to rebuild in harm’s way. This approach offers certainty for flood-hit people and lowers community impacts in the longer term. It is patently ridiculous to rebuild on sites that have been flooded multiple times in two years. In the case of the Hawkesbury-Nepean Valley, there are at least 5,000 homes below the 1-in-100-year flood return interval. This includes roughly 1,000 homes flooded in March. The NSW government says a buyback program would be too expensive. Yet, the cost would be comparable to the roughly $2 billion needed to raise Warragamba Dam, or the government’s $5 billion WestInvest fund. An alternative measure to raising the dam is to lower the water storage level in Warragamba Dam by 12m. This would reduce the amount of drinking water stored to supply Sydney, and would provide some flood control space. The city’s water supply would then need to rely more on the existing desalination plant, a strategy assessed as cost effective and with the added benefit of bolstering drought resilience. The flood damage seen in NSW this week was entirely predictable. Measures that could significantly lower flood risk are expensive and politically hard. But as flood risks worsen with climate change, they’re well worth it. |
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brave_ponies
Champion Joined: 06 Sep 2013 Location: Sydney Status: Offline Points: 3271 |
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Gratefully kept our heads and fetlocks above water here again.
Hope aa and our Hunter friends stay safe. |
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acacia alba
Champion Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Hunter Valley Status: Offline Points: 41483 |
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I am good BP. We live on a hill. Also, this area is OK so far. Lots of water over roads etc but OK. Maitland and Raymond Terrace are going to get hammered. See the pic of Wollumbi Tavern ? Bulga, low lying Singleton etc are on evac orders. They say Cessnock had approx 12 inches in 24 hours. Feel for all who are submerged.
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acacia alba
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The sun is shining !!!
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jujuno
Champion Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Coasting Status: Offline Points: 36447 |
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I took a photo of the sun, this morning.
It might become a curiosity, in the future. |
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Desert War, Rain Lover, Latin Knight, Hay List, Mustard...my turf heroes...
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Gay3
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Five key issues raised in 2022 NSW flood inquiryA report into the 2022 catastrophic floods across NSW has focused on a recurring issue — the dangers of failing to prepare. The inquiry, conducted by Mary O'Kane AC and former police commissioner Michael Fuller, worked to examine what went wrong during the floods, which took nine lives. The inquiry made 28 recommendations for change, all of which have been accepted by the state government. The 335-page report covers a wide range of issues but here are five of the key findings. The SES were unpreparedThe State Emergency Service (SES) has limited capacity "at best" to respond to large scale disasters, the inquiry found. Its response to the floods fell short because it did not "go early and go big" — throw as many resources as possible at a disaster in the early stages. This was because they were unable to deploy assets in a timely fashion and were "unprepared for events of the scale...seen in 2022", according to the report. "This was demonstrated by the many failures to give timely public warnings which led to the need for a high number of rescues, especially in the Northern Rivers, where community rescues significantly outnumbered SES rescues." The SES had a limited emphasis on flood mitigation as, according to the inquiry, the organisation didn't have an adequate culture around emergency planning. The SES told the inquiry that their poor preparation and response was due to unreliable forecasts, however, the inquiry hit back at this excuse. "It is the inquiry's view that NSW cannot predict its way out of flooding events." Other issues identified by the inquiry included:
However, it was noted that the SES is not funded enough to achieve the same performance outcomes as agencies like the Rural Fire Service (RFS), which receives four times the funding of the SES. For this reason, it recommended merging the backend functions of the SES with the RFS, so volunteers can be trained much faster. Buy-backs are a mustThe inquiry said people in the highest-risk areas of the Northern Rivers flood plains needed to be relocated. This needs to be done "urgently" by way of land swaps and buy-backs, with the most vulnerable people prioritised. Professor O'Kane and Mr Fuller said many community members made submissions to the inquiry about needing help to relocate. "We are hoping that the government will look at buy-backs for our area, otherwise we will have to stay and face this situation again. We now feel economically trapped in our home," one submission read. In responding to the report, Premier Dominic Perrottet said eligibility for the buy-back scheme would now be worked out and by the end of August expressions of interest would be open. It will also now be determined what public land can be made available for land swaps. The inquiry also urged the government to:
It was also suggested that flood plains could be repurposed in a way that minimises risk to life, by converting them into spaces for sporting, forestry or renewable energy production. Resilience NSW leadership failedDisaster agency, Resilience NSW, didn't perform as intended during this year's floods, the report found. This underperformance was a result of its small size and the big scope of its remit. Instead of coordinating emergency management, the inquiry found Resilience NSW actually caused confusion about who was responsible for what. In particular, the inquiry heard chaos at evacuation centres was due to confusion over decision making, with a blurring of the roles of Resilience NSW and the Department of Communities and Justice. "Resilience NSW’s approach to recovery centres was slow and often inconsistent. Among other things, there was a delay in establishing mobile recovery centres, which were crucial for smaller communities," the inquiry found.
Despite the findings, the inquiry acknowledged that many Resilience NSW staff did their best in trying circumstances. To avoid a repeat of these mistakes, the inquiry recommended Resilience NSW be reshaped to "Recovery NSW" — a more streamlined, agile agency to drive recovery in the first 100 days post disaster. This would mean a number of Resilience NSW duties are reallocated to agencies including State Emergency Operations Controller and NSW Reconstruction Authority. Emergency telecommunications neededThe report said the loss of telecommunications services caused the most distress to communities because it meant they couldn't request flood rescues or communicate with family and friends. During the peak of the floods, 18 communities across NSW had no telecommunications access but Telstra advised the inquiry it restored communications to these communities within 13 days. More resilient services must be established to prevent extended disruptions, the inquiry found. This means moving critical infrastructure off the flood plains and improving power backup arrangements. The inquiry also recommended cross carrier roaming arrangements between carriers and the public for basic text, voice and data use. National roaming arrangements between carriers allow triple-0 calls to be made regardless of mobile coverage however there are no similar arrangements to make calls, send SMS or access data during an emergency. "The inquiry understands that this is primarily due to commercial considerations rather than practical issues." Rain gauges not fit for purposeThe Bureau of Meteorology's (BOM) NSW rain gauge network is not fit for purpose, according to the report. Many people told the inquiry the network was a "patchwork", with Lismore MP Janelle Saffin saying gauges were in "poor condition" and "unreliable". There was also confusion about who maintains the gauges — whether that be state, local or federal government. The inquiry called on the government, in collaboration with the BOM, to invest in upgrades to the network. "The river gauge network covering NSW needs to be significantly enhanced and appropriately maintained, preferably under leadership and coordination from the Bureau. " Concerning gaps in radar coverage, particularly over the Mid-North Coast, were also identified. As floods are hard to forecast due to their highly localised nature, reliable rain radars are critical, the inquiry said. "NSW has strong capabilities and systems in sensor research and technologies but needs to harness this further to provide more flood monitoring information and warning systems." |
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GAJ
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Thanks Gay, So many things to comment on there, but just wanted to point out that their has been floods at Lismore of mammoth proportions greater than this last flood, at first it was heard from the local indigenous elders, but more solid proof is the findings of river silt in the excavation site of the new block of the Lismore base hospital, which is well up the hill!! |
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This seemingly persistent cloud burst in one area fed the rivers around the North east, a major cause of the flood height.
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furious
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No wonder the biggest flood happened!
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Gay3
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Looks like more doom & gloom on the precipitation front As we already know, the wet weather over the past 12 months has now primed us for a historic flood, one which I have been warning about since last year. We have much more rain on the way, with significant weather about to ramp up across Southern and Eastern states, with Western Australia also in the firing line. Today we have seen widespread rain again across Central and Southern NSW, making the flood problem much worse, with a much more serious problem brewing for the months ahead. This system will clear, bit a cooler Westerly flow remains intact, despite a positive Antarctic Oscillation, so no heat can move down out of Northern Australia and come South. This will change next week, we may see out first burst of a bit warmer temperatures, and along with it higher moisture levels, so from next week on I expect the systems that do develop to be very strong. I have also mentioned the period October 5th to 10th is the target frame for a potentially very large and extreme event, with the extremely cold airmass moving up to towards Southern Australia. That hasn’t changed, the cold air is now being forecasted to move up into the Bight next Friday, so we are now inside 10 days and there is a real chance of an extreme event taking place, and by the end of this week, I will know for sure............ All in all, the active weather pattern shows no signs of letting up, despite a positive AAO the wet weather continues to be very active with strong upper trough activity, relentlessly pushing across Southern Australia, and about to ramp up........................ As you can see above, the European (model) is not too interested in conventional meteorology, it has widespread rain over Southern AG WA, regardless of La Nina or Negative IOD. That is a good indicator that the goal is to continue to hit all cropping regions with as much rain as possible, right up until harvest time. Edited by Gay3 - 27 Sep 2022 at 9:13pm |
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TJMitchell
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Weatherzone reported that Sydney could this week set a new record for its wettest year ever. In 164 years of records, 2022 is already Sydney's second-wettest year ever, with 2112mm recorded as of yesterday. That's just 82mm short of the record of 2194mm, recorded in 1950. And, Weatherzone said, at this point in 1950, Sydney had received just 1960.5mm of rain. With falls of between 70mm-110mm expected between now and Monday morning, it's likely a new record will be set in coming days.
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