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    Posted: 10 Aug 2016 at 9:22pm
I'll try to keep this going,starting from today.


CANTERBURY today  10.8.16

Race 1: Screamer (trainer A Cummings) – poor post race recovery and ataxic. Race 3: Obsidian (trainer C Waller) – mildly lame. Race 7: Light On Ice (trainer G Allard) – cardiac arrhythmia, including ECG.




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What is your point?
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No point....just informing like the STEWARDS do.


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downers???
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Cardiac Arrhythmia's usually go well at the next start.
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DOWNER has two meanings....in these cases, it refers to:

a dispiriting or depressing experience or factor.
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cardiac arrhythmia LOLSick
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Grant Allard horses are hit/miss.

A good stable to land a plunge but lean pickings these days.

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(Catching up...will try to do the whole 2016/7 season NSW.)

Aug 2....goulburn.....tr danny williams....tallahasse....cardiac arrhythmia

Aug 3.....warwick farm...tr  amanda turner....sweet kiss.....cardiac arrhythmia

                                     tr nisbet/weston....perizada....poor performance

Aug 6...beaumont of newcastle...tr Gai/Adrian....vernier...lame

Aug 6...randwick.......tr greg hickman....major major.....poor performance
                                 tr mat dale.....linsang...collapsed and died on way back to stalls


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Gosford   Aug 11

Race 4: Red Viking – uncompetitive (trainer P Cave) Race 5: Stylish Lad – uncompetitive (trainer C Conners) 
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What is uncompetitive? Nice way of saying no ability 🤔 Or just a pig of a horse = head issues🤔 ???
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Originally posted by Majestic Majestic wrote:

What is uncompetitive? Nice way of saying no ability 🤔 Or just a pig of a horse = head issues🤔 ???

I think it means he would rather be in the high country with his mates!
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Carioca,so funny.

BTW Stylish Lad has been distanced last 2 starts....funny thing is my friend bet it both times.
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Canberra 12/8

Bleeders: Race 8: Diamond Of Destiny – 2 nd episode (lifetime ban).

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SUPPLEMENTARY REPORT SAPPHIRE COAST 7 AUGUST 2016 RACE 1: SAPPHIRE COAST MARINE DISCOVERY CENTRE MAIDEN HANDICAP 900M An inquiry was today continued into the reasons as to why Bella Lucinda collapsed and died during the abovementioned race. Further evidence was obtained from trainer Mr A Clarke including provided stable treatment records, and Stewards also considered the results of blood results of the sample obtained from the mare on 1 August 2016 which showed no abnormalities. A necropsy report was also provided by Dr C MacDonald which detailed that the cause of death was the result of a large haemorrhage in the abdominal cavity of which the precise origin of the vessel could not be identified. When Stewards were satisfied that there was no pre-existing condition which may have caused or contributed to the death, the inquiry was concluded.
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GENERAL: Scarlet Rain – Co-trainer Mr A Bott reported that the filly had undergone a wind operation subsequent to its last barrier trial at Randwick on 9 August 2016. Mr Bott advised Scarlet Rain would now be spelled and consequently will miss the Spring Racing Carniva
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Rosehill 13/8

Bleeders: Race 7: Kangarilla Joy (Trainer P Snowden) – 1 st time AR53A

Beaumont......that crap inner track of NEWCASTLE

Bridal Lane - G Schofield, the rider of the third placed filly, pleaded guilty to a charge under AR 145 in that as the rider of Bridal Lane he returned to scale 1.1 kilograms over his declared weight. G Schofield's licence to ride in races was suspended for a period to commence on Sunday 21 August 2016 and to expire on Saturday 27 August 2016 on which day he may ride. In addition G Schofield was also fined $500. In assessing penalty Stewards took into account the fact that filly, which finished in third position, was beaten half a length from the second placegetter and a further short half head from the winner.

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Certificates: Race 2: Dynamic Balance – lame off fore leg (trainer N Godbolt) Race 3: Excitable – lame near hind leg (Co-trainers G Waterhouse and A Bott)
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Schofield has admitted recently he has weight issues. 
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Scone 15 Aug

Orpheus – bled during the race (1st event). Trainer Mr. N Scott was advised of the provisions of AR53 (A).
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CANTERBURY – Wednesday 17 August 2016 Fleeteor – when questioned regarding the performance, rider T Clark stated in his opinion the filly did not appreciate the shifting track conditions. Mr A Bott, co trainer of Fleeteor, advised that whilst the filly had to do some work in the early stages to secure 2nd position one off the rail, he believed that Fleeteor was able to travel nicely on the bridle throughout the event, however in his opinion the filly was not entirely comfortable in the track conditions and he believed that this was the principal reason for Fleeteor tiring over the concluding stages. He said the filly had pulled up well and examination by his stable veterinarian this morning had revealed no obvious abnormalities.
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(I believe this is the 4th time Gai and Adrian have hit this topic.)

as the song goes   "things can only get better"

Predominate – rider A Hyeronimus could offer no explanation for the disappointing performance, however added in his opinion the filly would be better suited over further ground. A post-race veterinary did not reveal any abnormalities.
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That was HAWKESBURY today.
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LES BRIDGE.....OUT OF WEDLOCK...CARDIAC ARRHYTHMIA...KEMBLA  20/8/16


ALAN KEHOE....EPIC DAN....POOR RECOVERY.....TAREE  21/8


MELANIE O'GORMAN...READY KWILA (big winner at huge odds previous start)   CARDIAC                           ARRHYTHMIA...GOSFORD  23/8


CHRIS WALLER...MAKE A RIPPLE....BLED...banned....KEMBLA  20/8


JOHN THOMPSON...NIETA...POOR RECOVERY RATE....WARWICK FARM  24/8


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SUE GRILLS.....BLINKIN FAST....POOR RECOVERY and signs of colic...GRAFTON  25/8


MAT DALE....MAGICAL VERDICT....CARDIAC ARRHYTHMIA....CANBERRA  26/8


JEREMY SYLVESTER.....COLLAR...POOR RECOVERY RATE....SCONE  26/8


RON QUINTON.....CUTHBERT....BLED,3 months.....BEAUMONT 27/8


CLIFF BASHFORD......EVER SO NATURAL....THUMPS,POOR RECOVERY....ROSEHILL 27/8 (to spell)
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The law is an ass….By Rob Young

John Thompson was fined over a positive.

In my opinion, the decision of the Racing NSW Stewards Panel to fine John Thompson $6,000 in the Astronomos case is the most mind-blowingly idiotic exercise of misplaced power I have seen in over 50 years of involvement in racing. No wonder many people in the industry despair of the way racing is policed, whilst – conversely – being very happy with how racing is currently being managed.

Let’s look at the facts of the case. It’s one that Mr Bumble – the Beadle in “Oliver Twist” – would be quite sympathetic to.

Astronomos returned a positive to the prohibited substance triamcinolone acetonide in a post-race blood sample after finishing fourth in the Group 3 JRA Plate at Randwick on April 15. That is not in dispute. The horse was disqualified and the owners lost the prize money. OK, that’s the Rule – but it isn’t the Rules!

Here’s where things get ridiculous.

In their report, the stewards said “The administration of triamcinolone acetonide was done in accordance with the provisions of Australian Racing Rule AR 64M, which prohibits a horse from racing within 8 clear days of the intra-articular administration of a corticosteroid”. So Thompson did not commit an offence under Rule AR 64M. He had authorised his vet to inject the horse’s stifle joint eight clear days from his race, and stewards acknowledged that he had acted in accordance with the Rules. No problem? Yes problem.

Sitting there a little further on is Australian Racing Rule AR 178. AR 178 says “when any horse that has been brought to a racecourse for the purpose of engaging in a race and a prohibited substance is detected in any sample taken from it prior to or following its running in any race, the trainer and any other person who was in charge of such horse at any relevant time may be penalised.” And isn’t that a “catch all”. It simply means that if a trainer brings a horse to the races with any trace of any prohibited substance, then the stewards, at their discretion, can issue a penalty.

What a load of BS. Here we have a trainer complying with one Rule that has a defined requirement, only to be penalised under another that has no defined requirement. It is precisely this kind of situation that makes it impossible not to sometimes question the stewards’ thought processes in dealing with racing’s participants.

There are several questions that really need answers.

 

  • How can it be fair that a trainer can comply with one Rule that is specific to the circumstances of injecting a horse with a legitimate treatment, but can then be penalised under another Rule that doesn’t have any specifics to it?
  • Does this mean that, to guard against being pinged under AR 178, trainers should now have any horse that has had a legitimate treatment with a prohibited substance tested for the presence of that substance prior to bringing the horse to the races, even if the race is to be run outside the withdrawal period specified by the Australian Racing Rules relating to that treatment?
  • Why was a penalty handed down? Yes, Astronomos tested positive, but the trainer had followed the relevant Rule – AR 64M – and the stewards acknowledged that. Did the stewards want to make a point to John Thompson? If so, why?
  • When was the last time AR 178 was invoked in this way?

 

Here is Thompson’s comment made when he announced that he won’t appeal the $6,000 fine under AR 178:

“I would strongly recommend to fellow trainers if treating a stifle joint to give longer than the official eight days,” Thompson said. I would suggest giving 10 days. It’s such a rarely treated area. In 25 years of training and working with large scale training operations – I’ve only seen it done twice. It’s disappointing to follow the guidelines yet still produce a positive result.”

Bloody disappointing might be a more realistic way of expressing it!

And just as disappointing was the stewards’ comments after the fine they imposed. The stewards posted a notice to trainers that they needed to be aware that, in the case of intra-articular injections, the withdrawal period will depend on the corticosteroid injected as well as the joint(s) injected. They said that, in certain situations, for longer-acting corticosteroids injected into joints other than knees and fetlocks, the recommended withdrawal period “may” be longer than the minimum stand down time prescribed under AR 64M. Specifically, the stewards said “trainers and their veterinarians must carefully consider the circumstances of each particular case before deciding upon the appropriate time of intra-articular injection before competition to ensure that the horse is presented without detectable residues of the corticosteroid administered”.

What a load of bureaucratic nonsense. The only way trainers and veterinarians can “carefully consider the circumstances” is to get the horse tested by a laboratory and turn up at the races with a clearance from that laboratory. So, if that is the case, where do I buy shares in the lab.? They are going to be overwhelmed with tests from trainers wanting to avoid AR 178. The costs of having a blood test done are far lower than the $6,000 John Thompson copped!

Here is the problem and here is the connection to Mr Bumble the Beadle. Mr Bumble, when confronted in court with a legal supposition, said “If the law supposes that, the law is an ass – a idiot”. The stewards are working on the supposition that trainers have the knowledge to comply with their wishy-washy notice. They haven’t, and the only way they can be safe is to have every horse tested.

There is absolutely no point in having a Rule of Racing that relates to levels of prohibited substances that is non-specific. Such a Rule, and AR 178 falls into this category, simply lacks natural justice, and that leads inevitably to the possibility of uneven application of the rule, and that in turn leads to the suspicion that the stewards could use the rule to pressurise certain trainers over others. Either the rule is specific and applies equally to everyone, and is clear in its’ meaning to everyone, or get rid of it.

Not to live in the past, but I couldn’t see Ray Murrihy running this kind of approach. No wonder some view the stewards panel with a certain cynicism! Maybe the powers-that-be in Racing NSW need to look at the management of the Stewards Panel a little more closely, maybe an injection of common sense and management expertise might be helpful.

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Why couldn't they set the fine aside? Are the stewards' drinks funds drying up? 
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Why couldn't they set the fine aside? Are the stewards' drinks funds drying up? 

Better tell them Pete.
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Ok Donald. 


Everybody is doing a great job at Racing NSW Pete - Ray Thomas told me so.

They are leading the industry nation wide in penalising people who are endeavouring to abide by the Rules.

Pete - what is the withdrawal time for cortisone given in a stifle? Care to take a guess? You told us it was 8 clear days but that is clearly wrong. So how long is the withdrawal or do we just take pot luck?
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I doubt V'Landys told anyone anything of the sort but I've no doubt you have proof to back up your claims - as you've always had? That's a big LOL in case you didn't pick the sarcasm. Your punchdrunk approach to shyte throwing has generally seen you reeling away spattered with soggy manure so here's your chance to win a point.

Seems as good a time as any to ask - how are the corruption revelations coming?
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

I doubt V'Landys told anyone anything of the sort but I've no doubt you have proof to back up your claims - as you'<span style="line-height: 1.4;">ve always had? That's a big LOL in case you didn't pick the sarcasm. Your punchdrunk approach to shyte throwing has generally seen you reeling away spattered with soggy manure so here's your chance to win a point.</span>
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<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Seems as good a time as any to ask - how are the corruption revelations coming?</span>


Ask Ray Thomas - the newly promoted star of weekend breakfast radio. Don't ask Ken Callender - he resigned in protest. Didn't he Pete? How many posts are you up to? Does that say something about your life?
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