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    Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 5:07pm
NAVAL WARFARE (IRE)Bay colt 2014 
Born to Sea
Bay 2009		Invincible Spirit
Bay 1997		Green Desert
Bay 1983		Danzig
Bay 1977		Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom		1961
1968		2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979		Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee		1965
1968		8-g
A4
Rafha
Bay 1987		Kris
Chestnut 1976		Sharpen Up
Doubly Sure		1969
1971		5-i
2-o
Eljazzi
Bay 1981		Artaius
Border Bounty		1974
1965		14-c
7-a
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989		Miswaki
Chestnut 1978		Mr Prospector
Bay 1970		Raise a Native
Gold Digger		1961
1962		8-f
13-c
Hopespringseternal
Chestnut 1971		Buckpasser
Rose Bower		1963
1958		1-s
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978		Lombard
Chestnut 1967		Agio
Promised Lady		1955
1961		9-h
1-d
Anatevka
Chestnut 1969		Espresso
Almyra		1958
1962		7-a
9-h
Three Days in May
Bay 1999		Cadeaux Genereux
Chestnut 1985		Young Generation
Bay 1976		Balidar
Brown 1966		Will Somers
Violet Bank		1955
1960		1-s
8-d
Brig O'Doon
Chestnut 1967		Shantung
Tam O'Shanter		1956
1959		8-c
13-e
Smarten Up
Chestnut 1975		Sharpen Up
Chestnut 1969		Atan
Rocchetta		1961
1961		2-f
5-i
L'Anguissola
Bay 1967		Soderini
Posh		1961
1958		5-e
10-b
Corn Futures
Bay 1988		Nomination
Bay 1983		Dominion
Bay 1972		Derring-Do
Picture Palace		1961
1961		21-a
3-e
Rivers Maid
Bay 1977		Rarity
Takette		1967
1967		1-n
6-b
Hay Reef
Bay 1976		Mill Reef
Bay 1968		Never Bend
Milan Mill		1960
1962		19-b
22-d
Haymaking
Brown 1963		Galivanter
Haytime		1956
1958		4-n
6-e
 Ancestor duplications:Sharpen Up5m x 4f




HAYTIME (GB)Brown filly 1958 
Alycidon
Chestnut 1945		Donatello
Chestnut 1934		Blenheim
Brown 1927		Blandford
Bay 1919		Swynford
Blanche		1907
1912		1-g
3-o
Malva
Brown 1919		Charles O'Malley
Wild Arum		1907
1911		5-h
1-e
Delleana
Chestnut 1925		Clarissimus
Chestnut 1913		Radium
Quintessence		1903
1900		3-c
2-s
Duccia di Buoninsegna
Bay 1920		Bridge of Earn
Dutch Mary		1906
1915		8-g
14-c
Aurora
Chestnut 1936		Hyperion
Chestnut 1930		Gainsborough
Bay 1915		Bayardo
Rosedrop		1906
1907		10-a
2-n
Selene
Bay 1919		Chaucer
Serenissima		1900
1913		1-g
6-e
Rose Red
Chestnut 1924		Swynford
Brown 1907		John o' Gaunt
Canterbury Pilgrim		1901
1893		3-e
1-g
Marchetta
Chestnut 1907		Marco
Hettie Sorrel		1892
1891		3-k
1-w
Hazy Moon
Bay 1953		Umidwar
Bay 1931		Blandford
Bay 1919		Swynford
Brown 1907		John o' Gaunt
Canterbury Pilgrim		1901
1893		3-e
1-g
Blanche
Bay 1912		White Eagle
Black Cherry		1905
1892		5-j
3-o
Uganda
Bay 1921		Bridaine
Bay 1914		Gorgos
Bitter Orange		1903
1906		19-c
7-e
Hush
Bay 1911		St Serf
Silent Lady		1887
1905		8-d
3-e
New Moon
Chestnut 1940		Solfo
Chestnut 1934		Solario
Bay 1922		Gainsborough
Sun Worship		1915
1912		2-n
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Panic
Chestnut 1923		Hurry On
Volcanic		1913
1918		2-d
4-l
Selene
Bay 1919		Chaucer
Brown 1900		St Simon
Canterbury Pilgrim		1881
1893		11-c
1-g
Serenissima
Bay 1913		Minoru
Gondolette		1906
1902		5-c
6-e
 Ancestor duplications:Swynford5m,4f x 4m Blandford4m x 3m Gainsborough4m x 5m 
  Selene4m x 3f Canterbury Pilgrim5m x 5m,5m   
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This is the colt Waller wants to geld for no other reason than for the sake of it.

He says as much in the video posted on the Calculated thread.
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Let's hope they have a change of heart.
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By a failing stallion from a female family that hasn't produced a decent sire in five generations.

Get rid of them!
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What can you tell me about Northern Dancer ?
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What is the relevance of Northern Dancer in this context?

And please be specific.
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Duhhh - he was a horse too!
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

What is the relevance of Northern Dancer in this context?

And please be specific.


Nearctic was hardly a super duper sire of sires.
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At the end of the day this horse does not deserve gelding, it is purely the laziness and cheapness of Australasian trainers that this horse will be wasted.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

By a failing stallion from a female family that hasn't produced a decent sire in five generations.  Get rid of them!  

Correct on both counts I'm afraid Djebel.
 


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Nope.
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Waller has a great record with these imports and he is a firm believer in their improvement when gelded. When you've got a horse with no commercial value whatsoever, and Australia's leading trainer adamant these imports improve for the gelding, why would you stop him?
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I would not take any notice of him.
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I know little of the in depths of Thoroughbred training , however , when our trainer had our charge gelded ( went on to win a black type ), he stated the horse was becoming top heavy and minor behaviour issues.

   I could relate to that and often wish I had been assisted, early in life with a similar consideration .     
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Djebel is the perfect candidate for gelding.

Stubborn, recalcitrant, hates change. On top of that he's the classic breed from the motherland - very soft, fizzy, does poorly in Australian stables and conditions, and resents our hard methods and fortnightly programming.

He must be by Montjeu.
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I am by Tourbillon
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I am by Tourbillon


I always thought Djebel was a lady .    Don't ask me why .

Might have changed my recent vote had I been aware.     
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I am by Tourbillon
As someone who usually adds some gravity to the discussion djebel  you must be by Extourbillon (I just looked up tourbillon).LOL    Learn something new every day.
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I really like this horse. Has potential to go on with it. I could see him ending up like Junoob, a good consistent metro horse
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I see Waller is doing everything in his power to make sure the owner plays along with the idiotic idea to geld this fella.
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Naval Warfare ran an absolute bottler just last weekend jumping and running fairly hard in front before staving off all bar one. So what do they do, back him up a week later over 2400m in a slightly harder race.

Waller needs to prove to the owner the horse requires gelding and this is how he does it. 

He does drop 7.5 kgs.

Race 7 - 3:15PM FUJITSU AIR CONDITIONING MCKELL CUP (2400 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting
Of $150,000.1st $84,000, 2nd $28,200, 3rd $13,350, 4th $6,750, 5th $3,450, 6th $2,250, 7th $2,250, 8th $2,250, 9th $2,250, 10th $2,250, Equine Welfare Fund $1,500, Jockey Welfare Fund $1,500. LISTED
Quality, Minimum Weight 53kg, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Name: Randwick Track Type: Turf 

Field Limit: 18 + 4 EM

NoLast 10HorseTrainerJockeyBarrierWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
1348248x222ECUADOR (NZ)Gai Waterhouse & Adrian BottAdam Hyeronimus960kg106
24107363x05DESTINY’S KISSJoseph PrideJay Ford859.5kg105
3x412x04x01OUR CENTURY (IRE)Kim WaughBrenton Avdulla456.5kg99
476430x0206MAURUS (GB)John P ThompsonBlake Shinn555kg96
5036x482152LOVANIBrad WiddupMathew Cahill653kg90
60140x89142NAVAL WARFARE (IRE)Chris WallerMichael Walker753kg85
74873803441THE GETAWAYPaul PerryJean Van Overmeire (a)253kg84
8x663493x73RICHARD OF YORKE (GB)Chris WallerYusuke Ichikawa1053kg76
9230x769212LA COURBETTE (FR)Matthew SmithMs Rachael Murray153kg75
10461x790x89PLOT TWIST (IRE)Peter & Paul SnowdenAndrew Adkins353kg74
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I really should not have added he drops 7.5 kgs as he is actually 3.5 kgs poorly weighted in relation to the Benchmarks. 
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send him to Western australia for easier competition, and then he may find a home as a stallion.
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What a fair dinkum trier he is, He does not deserve to be gelded.
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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes
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Why do jockeys try these stupid run them off their feet tactics in distance races? It almost never works (2nd at Flemington today an exception) this fella was a million to one passing the 'Stradbroke' start.
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He runs too freely, I dare say that will cost him his nuts. 
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Cry
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$1.45 fave in the Tattersalls Cup today.....eeek, that’s short.

Nothing against Naval Warfare but gee I hope old Destinys Kiss knocks him off.
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Is being sold on the latest Inglis Digital auction.

Current bidding at $50,000.

Fits the profile of the type of horse Eric Musgrove goes after. Will be interesting to see where he ends up & what price he ends up fetching.
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